• The Absurd World of Russian Public Opinion
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[QUOTE=gudman;47222804]Yeah, so much that Bush Jr. got a second term in the office. [/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2004#Election_results[/url] Narrow margin there, not to mention the very quick downhill appeal of that war. Also wanted to ask, out of genuine curiosity; do you remember what book(s) you read about Russian history in school? I ask because I want to see if I can get my hands on one and see how it all reads. when I was reading US history books they came across as really objective, often talking about how bad some of the early politicians we (As 'Muricans) idolize were.
This is a text book example of why sanctions don't work. Want to sanction weapon deliveries to decrease the firepower in a war? Fine that could work. Wan't to sanction deliveries of ingredients for chemical weapons? A bit difficult, but could work. Wan't to sanction an entire country hurting their economy really bad, aswell as your own and other countries? Yeah because all that will do is make russian people rally around Putin, especially when they get poorer because of the sanctions. Adolf Hitler rose to power partly because of war payments from world war 1 for fuck sake.
Can people rate the posts in this thread more? I need to know who is right and who isn't
[QUOTE=glitchvid;47223105][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2004#Election_results[/url] Narrow margin there, not to mention the very quick downhill appeal of that war.[/QUOTE] It's the results that matter, Bush was re-elected, which means a large portion of US population was okay with what's going on. And those were overt wars, no one tried to hide it, so you've gotta take into account people who don't know/believe that the war is happening at all. Furthermore, in case with Russia, the 'general opinion' thing doesn't even matter, because no one ever did proper measure of public opinion - all we have is data released by less than trustworthy institutions directly or indirectly controlled by Kremlin, it's like asking Putin if people like him. There's a large portion of population that fits the article at hand, probably even more than a half, but certainly nowhere near 85, 76 etc. percents, it is absurd. [QUOTE=glitchvid;47223105] Also wanted to ask, out of genuine curiosity; do you remember what book(s) you read about Russian history in school? I ask because I want to see if I can get my hands on one and see how it all reads. when I was reading US history books they came across as really objective, often talking about how bad some of the early politicians we (As 'Muricans) idolize were.[/QUOTE] When I was at school, the books were pretty objective, more or less, as far as history books for schools go. Authors tried to present pros and cons of that or other reform, but mostly focused on what was actually going on and what were the consequences, without this "bad" and "good" thing. Since then I didn't really bother with familiarizing myself with modern direction, but from what I hear it was mostly getting progressively worse.
I wonder what the numbers would be if you'd change the target groups around. As in: [quote=theoretical] the number of Americans who believe that U.S.-Russia relations are hostile has increased to 42 percent. Only 2 percent believe those relations are good. Fully 81 percent feel negatively or very negatively toward the former USSR. [/quote] Not saying that these WOULD be the numbers, but don't y'all think that there might be the same kind of negative stigma towards Russia as the other way around? [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] Which I think the point was that some people were trying to make already but okay.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47221143]I see many people taking everything the Ukrainian government says as total bullshit as if the conflict they claim is happening really isn't at all and then citing the russian government like they're going to be unbiased or something. [/QUOTE] I do not understand through which prism you're looking, but so far karimatrix wasn't outright telling that Russia did nothing wrong lest he was debunking most tiresome bullshit Western media comes up with, and I can see and agree with him that some of the reporting is outright hate-mongering, if you could show me post where karimatrix outright states that Russia was in the right I will cease posting immediatly, but I've yet to see so. [quote]I see people supporting the annexation of Crimea [/quote] Where? [quote]which I can't understand how you could possibly agree with as it was a military action and not a political one.[/quote] I've never claimed that it was a military action and I have always agreed that it was politically backed, as Crimea, even though is a good spot on the Black Sea it is fairly obsolete considering Russia has Sochi and co. [quote]You say americans didn't criticize those wars as they are this war([b]which is kind of you admitting it is a war, isn't it[/b]), which is factually untrue.[/quote] @Bold part: Nitpicking and grasping at straws. Oh wait, the entire last paragraph is grasping at straws. I didn't mention that Americans didn't criticize those wars at all. I didn't disagree that this was a war, I said it's a conflict and I agree that there is a civil war in Russia. Good job trying to look for some hidden context where there was a lack of one. You just once again have proven that a lot bunch of you have a hard on for bashing all "Pro-Russian shills and excusers" without as much as having a fair argument. [editline]27th February 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=barrab;47221631] I for one am in full support of a world war 3 and a global autocracy for only then will we be able to start uniting as one rather than being separated by invisible walls of culture and visible walls of barbed wire.[/QUOTE] Damn dude, I pressed "Agree" before seeing this part of post, what the hell lmao.
lol at kari also these numbers are always so hard to believe so many people are dumb. especially with people sending men to fight. Theres required military service anyway
Russians are still living in the cold war, that much seems apparent. There was a survey done not so long ago that reported that MORE russians wish they were still part of the soviet union than weren't. That coupled with this... Still being brainwashed into the idea of GLORIOUS MOTHERLAND.
[QUOTE=Meladath;47223708]Russians are still living in the cold war, that much seems apparent. There was a survey done not so long ago that reported that MORE russians wish they were still part of the soviet union than weren't. That coupled with this... Still being brainwashed into the idea of GLORIOUS MOTHERLAND.[/QUOTE] True about USSR nostalgic, really. However, you all forget that to thw general populace there were no problems living in USSR. Everyone had a stable job and income, even if low, free higher education and medicine, lots of other perks (and odd idiosyncrasies). Not a lot of people had aany clue about what was happening behind the scenes. Everything was good to them, and there is nothing wrong with wanting to return to nearly an utopia.
[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;47219568]Hint: [B]You do not need to be[/B] a brainwashed or [b]a good person to support Putin.[/B][/QUOTE] Hi I'm glad you finally figured out what we've all been saying. [editline]a[/editline] That is, aside from the people who actually are brainwashed.
[QUOTE=glitchvid;47223105] when I was reading US history books they came across as really objective, often talking about how bad some of the early politicians we (As 'Muricans) idolize were.[/QUOTE] This is what pisses me off about revisionist history. Humanity always feels the need to criticize historical figures based on current standards of society rather than the region or country they lived during. 70 years from now, there will be books and articles written arguing that Teenagers of the 2010's were terrible people because they made fun of people with Autism. Just watch, years from now something that seemed completely normal to you will be considered insensitive by future society.
[QUOTE=adamsz;47228460]This is what pisses me off about revisionist history. Humanity always feels the need to criticize historical figures based on current standards of society rather than the region or country they lived during. 70 years from now, there will be books and articles written arguing that Teenagers of the 2010's were terrible people because they made fun of people with Autism. Just watch, years from now something that seemed completely normal to you will be considered insensitive by future society.[/QUOTE] I have no problem with that, just because it was [I]ok at the time[/I] to be racist, doesn't mean it's OK; The ability to compare Social and moral issues over time is what gives us a sense of progress other than Technical.
[QUOTE=adamsz;47228460]This is what pisses me off about revisionist history. Humanity always feels the need to criticize historical figures based on current standards of society rather than the region or country they lived during. 70 years from now, there will be books and articles written arguing that Teenagers of the 2010's were terrible people because they made fun of people with Autism. Just watch, years from now something that seemed completely normal to you will be considered insensitive by future society.[/QUOTE] The cruelty and depravity of the millennial generation with regards to Autism will be studied in school through compulsory reading of Sonichu.
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