[QUOTE=Mr._N;34302332]Well, if his proposed policy is against gay marriage, then I think this wouldn't give him a lot of credibility.[/QUOTE]
What credibility? If he's going to make policies against gay marriage in office, what does it matter what he personally does? He could be gay for all it matters, if he's going to make laws prohibiting gay marriage, I don't see how the fact that he's gay changes anything. The stupid policy stands on its own as being stupid.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;34302241]It might make him a twat but I'll take a competent twat over a kind idiot running my country any day. Not that I think Gingrich is competent, but that's its own issue. That's my point.[/QUOTE]
On the other hand, if you view marriage as a contract (which in a way, it is), then straining or breaking any contract should be viewed against a politician. If he didn't like the 'contract', he should have told her.
[QUOTE=Mr._N;34302332]Well, if his proposed policy is against gay marriage, then I think this wouldn't give him a lot of credibility.[/QUOTE]
Is that the only issue that matters to everyone in this election? It's all I seem to hear about these days... I don't think Republicans are that dead set on making gay marriage illegal when there's literally so many problems in this country that need more attention...
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;34302345]um
wanna revise that post buddy[/QUOTE]
? I don't get it?
You said that the personal life of a politician does not matter, and then acted as though you were only talking about trivial things. I agree that trivial things do not matter.
Things like an open marriage when proclaiming that homosexuality violates the sanctity of marriage is important though.
[QUOTE=Contag;34302437]? I don't get it?[/QUOTE]
(you just flamed a mod)
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;34302449](you just flamed a mod)[/QUOTE]
I don't think he realized who he was talking to. :v:
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;34302062]Ohmygosh the personal life of a politician.
How completely irrelevant to what I think of him as a politician.[/QUOTE]
except when it's completely hypocritical behavior, coming from a guy who wants to protect the "traditional marriage"
[QUOTE=Contag;34302437]Things like an open marriage when proclaiming that homosexuality violates the sanctity of marriage is important though.[/QUOTE]
And yet I disagree
I don't give a shit what he actually believes about the family, what his policies are going to be is what matters. He could be gay for all I care, but if he's going to make laws against gay marriage I won't vote for him. He could personally hate gays but if he's for their right to marry, that's fine.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;34302452]I don't think he realized who he was talking to. :v:[/QUOTE]
shouldn't make any real difference who it's directed at when it's flaming
but you must admit it's rather poor decision making
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;34302130]Not really. His politics are his politics and what he does at home doesn't change anything.[/QUOTE]
It's not even that he cheated on his wives, it's that he did it in such a way that shows his complete lack of empathy and blatant hypocrisy. Not traits I want in a president.
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Gingrich moved to divorce her, she said, just after [b]she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis[/b].
"He also was [b]advised by the doctor[/b] when I was sitting there that [b]I was not to be under stress. He knew[/b]," she said.
[/quote]
wow what a dick
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;34302461]And yet I disagree
I don't give a shit what he actually believes about the family, what his policies are going to be is what matters. He could be gay for all I care, but if he's going to make laws against gay marriage I won't vote for him. He could personally hate gays but if he's for their right to marry, that's fine.[/QUOTE]
But after he is elected, he has free reign to do whatever he wants until the next election
He might say what his policies are now, but you have to try to anticipate how he will actually act
[QUOTE=Contag;34302528]But after he is elected, he has free reign to do whatever he wants until the next election
He might say what his policies are now, but you have to try to anticipate how he will actually act[/QUOTE]
Am I supposed to worry that his policies will suddenly become sensible?
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;34302449](you just flamed a mod)[/QUOTE]
Ah, in Australia it's practically a term of endearment :v:, no hard feelings
why the fuck does newt gingrich have sex appeal?
holy shit he looks like an over-sized baby and he has zero regard for human life.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;34302541]Am I supposed to worry that his policies will suddenly become sensible?[/QUOTE]
Well, it doesn't really matter when they're already in the 'shitbag' box
[editline]20th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=thisispain;34302548]why the fuck does newt gingrich have sex appeal?
holy shit he looks like an over-sized baby and he has zero regard for human life.[/QUOTE]
prostitution
in effect anyway
[QUOTE=Contag;34302559]Well, it doesn't really matter when they're already in the 'shitbag' box[/QUOTE]
well that's part of my point
Either he's got stupid policies but is actually more sensible in which case I don't like him because he has stupid policies, or he's got smart policies but he's actually an idiot, but how many people do you know who secretly love family values who are saying people should be free to fuck and marry whoever they want?
[QUOTE=tyanet;34302121]Am I the only one who found this funny?[/QUOTE]
yes
While I shouldn't do so, I feel that if a politician is enforcing an issue they don't abide by, I'll be swayed away from them because they aren't committed to the issue. The ideal politician doesn't do stuff neccessarily to win, but because he's a firm believer in his principles and is doing what he thinks is right.
Then again, that could horribly backfire [sp]What with all the politicians being Anti-Homosexual, etc etc[/sp]
Plus, I feel he might turn around on issues he's not dedicated to. Why would he enforce legislation that directly affects his current actions? Legislation to support "traditional families" does not help him when he's trying for an Open Marriage and cheating on his wife.
Then again, I'm Canadian so take my opinion for what it is. However neutral or biased you think it may be.
This sounds like a personal matter rather than a political. But acting like he wants to preserve the sanctity of marriage then does this shit makes him a shithead. Also he lead the attack on Clinton while he was having an affair. Newt will forever be a cunt.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;34302241]It might make him a twat but I'll take a competent twat over a kind idiot running my country any day. Not that I think Gingrich is competent, but that's its own issue. That's my point.[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly sure not having a crippled sense of empathy and morality is pretty essential for a leader. I'd rather have a kind idiot, at least the kind idiot might get lucky and make things better, instead of competent twat who will just make things worse much more effectively.
[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;34302108]No, it hardly matters at all really. Considering Newt has come forward about trying to live as a changed man, this happened like a decade ago. The relevance to his campaign? Nothing really.
Obama wasn't voted into office because he was "cool" and liked to drink beers at a basketball game you know.[/QUOTE]
uh, no, i'm pretty sure at least more than 50% of his voters voted for him because he's young, hip, black, and progressive
[QUOTE=Amplar;34316876]uh, no, i'm pretty sure at least more than 50% of his voters voted for him because he's young, hip, black, and progressive[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure most of the people who would vote for Obama on that criteria are people who aren't likely to vote in the first place.
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;34302208]personal lives of politicians shouldn't change people's opinion of said politician
unless he does something highly criminal it's really none of your business anyway[/QUOTE]
Allow it to be said that the personal lives of politicians shouldn't be considered while in politics, but once it is shown that a political candidate advocates for abortion but agrees with his wife getting an abortion but still advocates for abortion shows that he is a hypocrite and doesn't stand by his beliefs, and thus it should be known to the public as they are someone who will shatter the values that they preach and hold so "dearly" for self-gain and shows that they are hypocrites and should hold no bar in a political position, specifically when it comes up that it has happened during an election or running for Republican canditate, as opinion do change and that we are human beings, but we trust for our political candidates to practice what they preach, and for them to throw away that on a specific subject shows that they are arbitrary and not just, and shouldn't hold an actual position in politics.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;34317092]Allow it to be said that the personal lives of politicians shouldn't be considered while in politics, but once it is shown that a political candidate advocates for abortion but agrees with his wife getting an abortion but still advocates for abortion shows that he is a hypocrite and doesn't stand by his beliefs, and thus it should be known to the public as they are someone who will shatter the values that they preach and hold so "dearly" for self-gain and shows that they are hypocrites and should hold no bar in a political position, specifically when it comes up that it has happened during an election or running for Republican canditate, as opinion do change and that we are human beings, but we trust for our political candidates to practice what they preach, and for them to throw away that on a specific subject shows that they are arbitrary and not just, and shouldn't hold an actual position in politics.[/QUOTE]
I don't really see why it matters to facepunch at all. I mean none of you guys were voting for Newt anyways, or liked his stated policies to begin with, so why does it matter if he practices what he preaches.
I find it funny and poetic in it's own way, but it doesn't alter my perception of him because my perception was he was a pretty shitty guy in the first place.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;34317129]I don't really see why it matters to facepunch at all. I mean none of you guys were voting for Newt anyways, or liked his stated policies to begin with, so why does it matter if he practices what he preaches.
I find it funny and poetic in it's own way, but it doesn't alter my perception of him because my perception was he was a pretty shitty guy in the first place.[/QUOTE]
It matters because we are not just applying this to Newt, but to every politician and human being.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;34302432]Is that the only issue that matters to everyone in this election? It's all I seem to hear about these days... I don't think Republicans are that dead set on making gay marriage illegal when there's literally so many problems in this country that need more attention...[/QUOTE]
The reason most of us are concerned with gay rights is that we don't want to see a significant portion of the population get stripped of their rights.
Please educate us on how foolish we are for supporting the rights of human beings this way and how we're "bowing down to the homosexuals(In your own words)"
Also, care to explain what you meant by that? Because the way you worded it was kind of unfortunate.
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