• "Well it can't be worse righ-Fuck this." ‘Prometheus 2′ Gets New Writer; Will Reportedly Open March
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Prometheus was pretty frustrating to watch at some points ( [sp]killing early on the only charismatic character, wtf Ridley how could you let your writer do this?[/sp] ), but as mentionned earlier, it wasn't terrible, pleasant to watch both CGI wise and storytelling wise (aside from the frustrating moments I mentionned). I can't say I'm hype for Prometheus 2, but I'm definitly keeping an eye on it.
prometheus is superb. People moan about plot holes, but I watched Training Day last night and that film is just a plot hole bonanza. Here, it's the most minor details that have nothing to do with the overall plot that bothers people. It's nowhere near Ridley's Alien. But better than a lot of modern sci fi (e.g. Star Trek).
Is Ridley Scott a secret asshole?
I actually enjoyed it, looked great on imax. Also I had no idea it was meant to be a prequel to Alien, so I was like NO FUCKING WAY in the end.
Prometheus is only bad if you start poking holes in the plot, if you suspend your disbelief and just watch it, it becomes better.
[QUOTE=AK'z;44348377]prometheus is superb. People moan about plot holes, but I watched Training Day last night and that film is just a plot hole bonanza. Here, it's the most minor details that have nothing to do with the overall plot that bothers people. It's nowhere near Ridley's Alien. But better than a lot of modern sci fi (e.g. Star Trek).[/QUOTE] Nothing makes sense in prometheus. Not the details not the main story. It was fun to watch when you are not thinking about it, but the moment you pause, take a step back and think, it makes no sense. And you can do it in every moment of the movie. [editline]25th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Buck.;44348550]Prometheus is only bad if you start poking holes in the plot, if you suspend your disbelief and just watch it, it becomes better.[/QUOTE] "Movies don't need to have a plot, and characters actions don't need to make sense, just don't question anything and watch. It's your fault if you start questioning the movie and it turns out it makes no sense."
[QUOTE=Monkah;44347405]I wasn't aware that anyone actually liked Prometheus.[/QUOTE] I just watched alien recently. And well - both movies share one thing. A lot of the characters are just plain stupid in what they do. It was just more pronounced in prometheus.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;44348742]I just watched alien recently. And well - both movies share one thing. A lot of the characters are just plain stupid in what they do. It was just more pronounced in prometheus.[/QUOTE] It's one thing when a civilian crew of a cargo ship doesn't know what to do with a killer alien and fucks up panicking and there's when a crew designed specifically to meet alien life forms does that.
It didn't help this film should of just not taken place in the same universe as Alien, did we really need to see xenomorph Jesus on the alien mural or [sp]Pope Abortion?[/so]
[QUOTE=stealth_camo;44348308]Because the people in the movie didn't act like fucking human beings. "Oh this is a new lifeform on a foreign planet, I better act like a fucking idiot around it and take no precautions! What could go wrong? There's no way it could be hostile."[/QUOTE] You do realize they explained that in a deleted scene right? They came across a similar, wormlike creature and it was harmless. They assumed the next one that turned up was similarly harmless, and even if it was, they probably didn't think it could get through their suits.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;44349256]You do realize they explained that in a deleted scene right? They came across a similar, wormlike creature and it was harmless. They assumed the next one that turned up was similarly harmless, and even if it was, they probably didn't think it could get through their suits.[/QUOTE] The problem with that is that it's a deleted scene. That's some really crucial information to just leave out of the film.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44348608]Nothing makes sense in prometheus. Not the details not the main story. It was fun to watch when you are not thinking about it, but the moment you pause, take a step back and think, it makes no sense. And you can do it in every moment of the movie. [editline]25th March 2014[/editline] "Movies don't need to have a plot, and characters actions don't need to make sense, just don't question anything and watch. It's your fault if you start questioning the movie and it turns out it makes no sense."[/QUOTE] Well to be honest it wouldn't make a very interesting movie if every action was calculated and realistic. If it was realistic they wouldn't be going out there by themselves but sending drones in alone and spend the whole movie going through spreadsheets. I thought prometheus had a cool and deep idea but I agree, you just can't explain the actions of the characters.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;44349256]You do realize they explained that in a deleted scene right? They came across a similar, wormlike creature and it was harmless. They assumed the next one that turned up was similarly harmless, and even if it was, they probably didn't think it could get through their suits.[/QUOTE] Cut the crap please. [IMG]http://s28.postimg.org/9tj6my3xp/image.jpg[/IMG] vs [IMG]http://s29.postimg.org/xwb1evnev/image.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://s9.postimg.org/41xgfc4r3/image.jpg[/IMG] I can tell these are 2 different species and I'm no biologist like the guy in those pics. Just because you found a worm the size of your finger that didn't react to you it doesn't mean another worm the size of your fucking arm, that's hissing on you, is not going to be hostile if you mess with it, so it would be a good idea to leave it alone. You don't know if it doesn't have a poisonous fang or something. Assuming that there is no danger gets you killed, and guess what, they died. You don't take that kind of risks on an expedition to an unknown planet. And his behavior was inconsistent, which is a giant understatement. He was pissing his pants when he heard over the radio that there's a lifeform somewhere close to them but wants to make out with an alien snake in the next scene. [editline]25th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Buck.;44349382]Well to be honest it wouldn't make a very interesting movie if every action was calculated and realistic. If it was realistic they wouldn't be going out there by themselves but sending drones in alone and spend the whole movie going through spreadsheets. I thought prometheus had a cool and deep idea but I agree, you just can't explain the actions of the characters.[/QUOTE] There are things between complete-bullshit-looney-tunes attitude these people had and boring drones and spreadsheets. The stretch should have been them going there themselves, not making every character a complete moron who disregards their safety entirely. You can have clever and consistent characters and still kill them.
[QUOTE=Buck.;44349382]Well to be honest it wouldn't make a very interesting movie if every action was calculated and realistic. If it was realistic they wouldn't be going out there by themselves but sending drones in alone and spend the whole movie going through spreadsheets. I thought prometheus had a cool and deep idea but I agree, you just can't explain the actions of the characters.[/QUOTE] Expecting the characters to not sit around and talk is one thing. When characters are taking their helmets off in a completely alien environment while they should be smart enough to not that is another. All of it's potential was ruined by the characters being distractingly dumb.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44348608]Nothing makes sense in prometheus.[/QUOTE] If you really don't have a clue what it's about, try the director's commentary.. it's good.
I hope there's another mapping crew that gets lost immediately after they finish mapping the place, and I hope there's another campy 90's pg movie zoom up shot too, man Prometheus two is gonna be great [QUOTE=AK'z;44349800]If you really don't have a clue what it's about, try the director's commentary.. it's good.[/QUOTE] That's a bad sign when you need the director to explain to you what's going on in his movie while you watch it
[QUOTE=Mr.95;44349853] That's a bad sign when you need the director to explain to you what's going on in his movie while you watch it[/QUOTE] I didn't need explanations, but clearly people missed a lot of things that were actually good and forward thinking. E.g. The first minute of the film... people were possibly baffled and unsure what to make of it yet it's pretty clear what was being conveyed. The DNA of the film is set up for you, yet "stupidity of a geologist" is the first thing people nitpick about.
[QUOTE=AK'z;44349898]I didn't need explanations, but clearly people missed a lot of things that were actually good and forward thinking. E.g. The first minute of the film... people were possibly baffled and unsure what to make of it yet it's pretty clear what was being conveyed. The DNA of the film is set up for you, yet "stupidity of a geologist" is the first thing people nitpick about.[/QUOTE] The concept of the film is fine, and I think a lot of people were interested in the idea that an alien lifeform "seeded" life elsewhere in the galaxy through his own sacrifice. That's a strong sci-fi concept and it's a good way to start the film. Really, the reason Prometheus has so many problems is because the human characters continually acted against common sense, rational thought, and scientific procedure.
But Green Lantern sucked if I recall. I just hope that this Michael Green chap has upped his writing skills since Green Lantern. Speaking of which, since I only heard of the negative reception through hearsay, can anyone describe what was wrong with the movie? Was the story gods-awful with plot-holes, or was it more of a CGI thing? Or should I wait for the Nostalgia Critic to rip it apart with slightly over-running cutaways?
prometheus took the thing that made bladerunner and alien good and took it way too far and ruined it. that thing is ambiguity. like, when you watch bladerunner and alien for the first time, [I]the plot as a whole makes perfect sense[/I] - there is a protagonist and an antagonist and they gotta get shit done and eventually it works out at an ending. but then there's some extra questions you can work out for yourself on later viewings the problem with prometheus is the ambiguity relates to really massive major plot points. so you just leave the cinema like "what?" that and the characters just do stuff against their established character and against all reasonable logic all the time
Not to mention Prometheus wasn't one of those movies which makes you leave the cinema thinking and later you realize "oh, thats clever", it simply was HA NO ANSWERS FOR YOU on nearly every level. Also the robot who should be the only sensible person on the spacecraft goes like "hehe, let me experiment this alien we just found on the crew"
[QUOTE=Monkah;44347405]I wasn't aware that anyone actually liked Prometheus.[/QUOTE] It wasn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be tbh. Maybe because I enjoyed it as a visual spectacle and didn't really expect much of the plot. Ridley Scott is hardly a master of incredible plots anyway.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;44351599]It wasn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be tbh.[/QUOTE] The thing is, it kinda was. At least the things they were complaining about like the editing and the writing were that bad. The things that weren't bad were tip top. I'm willing to give a [I]lot[/I] of leeway, but that "we have the same DNA" shit was some 70's anime level shit.
Just include more pregnancy abortion scenes and creepy tentacle scenes and all will be fine
While Prometheus was pretty "meh" to me, it really seems like people hate it just because it wasn't about Alien It's just a story set in the same universe with a reference to Alien, whether it was hyped as a prequel is irrelevant.
Should of been a proper alien prequel and instead it dances around trying to decide if it wants to be or not. Anyway I believe in second chances so I'll remain cautiously optimistic
Prometheus fucks up the Aliens timeline though because how could they have [sp] created the Xenomorphs if the Yautja have been hunting them for thousands, if not millions of years?[/sp]
Pretty sure AvP is non-canon
[QUOTE=Moustacheman;44351992]Prometheus fucks up the Aliens timeline though because how could they have [sp] created the Xenomorphs if the Yautja have been hunting them for thousands, if not millions of years?[/sp][/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that anything not explicitly mentioned in the movies is not considered canon, such as the whole Dark Horse Comics series.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;44352012]I'm pretty sure that anything not explicitly mentioned in the movies is not considered canon, such as the whole Dark Horse Comics series.[/QUOTE] I actually like the comics more because tbh the AVP movies were only good for the action scenes.
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