New Jersey waitress receives ‘LOL’ instead of tip on receipt - Polidicks

[QUOTE=.Lain;48556006]mandatory tipping is an idiotic and arbitratry practice. the restaraunt should already be making their profit from the menu, not mandatory gratuity i liked tips when i was a waitress. never expected it from customers because i got paid properly. that's how it should always be, a bonus rather than a given[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/gb.png[/IMG] [editline]27th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;48555953]Also not to mention that [B]foreigners[/B] and ethnic minorities are discriminated against by service staff because they are viewed as being stingy (which in turn leads to them being less likely to tip an asshole waiter). I'm not part of the problem, tipping culture is.[/QUOTE] people like you are the reason i always warn servers before i seat them with parties from europe/the UK

yo i just got back from 4 weeks in north america and it only made my opinion on the matter worse. i'm sorry you have to live with a shitty payment system dude, but it sucks. [editline]28th August 2015[/editline] assumed tipping adds insult to injury. there are plenty of times where i would certainly want to tip just as much if not more than was asked for, but the fact that it is being asked for makes me a little salty about it all.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48555758][B]Sod that, I'll eat out without paying tips.[/B] People don't tip the cooks who prepare the food, it's inconsistent.[/QUOTE] by doing so, not only are you funneling money straight to the corporations and lobby groups that fight to keep minimum at $2.13 for servers, you're also purposely avoiding giving money to the servers themselves you're a selfish asshole anyways cooks don't need tips, they typically get paid $10+ an hour, at least where i work

[QUOTE=Conscript;48555895]Then you're part of the problem and will get the service you deserve.[/QUOTE] What problem? You mean the problem that isn't the customer's problem? That problem? Pretty sure it's been shown that higher tips do not yield or encourage better service anyway.

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;48556177]by doing so, not only are you funneling money straight to the corporations and lobby groups that fight to keep minimum at $2.13 for servers, you're also purposely avoiding giving money to the servers themselves you're a selfish asshole[/QUOTE] Waiters shouldn't blame the consumers, but their employers for the problem. I mean how fucked up is it that the managers are basically saying "Sorry, i can't pay you enough money to keep your rent going this month, but see those tourists over there? They might bung you a fiver, go and beg from them."

[QUOTE=.Lain;48556149]yo i just got back from 4 weeks in north america and it only made my opinion on the matter worse. i'm sorry you have to live with a shitty payment system dude, but it sucks.[/quote] it does suck, for literally everyone but the de facto aristocracy in control of the corporations that ultimately profit as long as the national restaurant association is swimming in cash and congress is majority republican, there will be no change [quote]assumed tipping adds insult to injury. there are plenty of times where i would certainly want to tip just as much if not more than was asked for, but the fact that it is being asked for makes me a little salty about it all.[/quote] this i agree about, servers shouldn't outright ask for tips

i can't see assumed/mandatory gratuity as anything but a way for restaraunts to make more profit and pay their servers less at the same time. it's horrible and indefensible mandatory gratuity is practically an oxymoron

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48556238]Waiters shouldn't blame the consumers, but their employers for the problem. I mean how fucked up is it that the managers are basically saying "Sorry, i can't pay you enough money to keep your rent going this month, but see those tourists over there? They might bung you a fiver, go and beg from them."[/QUOTE] ok? how do you propose the servers enact change? (protip: the managers aren't typically to blame) [editline]27th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=.Lain;48556253]i can't see assumed/mandatory gratuity as anything but a way for restaraunts to make more profit and pay their servers less at the same time. it's horrible and indefensible mandatory gratuity is practically an oxymoron[/QUOTE] mandatory gratuity on parties bigger than 8 was a pretty good idea though, just because those large parties tend to suck up a huge portion of a server's section and a huge portion of a server's time, time that could be better spent dealing with smaller individual parties that may be more likely to tip

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;48556257]ok? how do you propose the servers enact change? (protip: the managers aren't typically to blame)[/QUOTE] Probably beginning with black waiters starting a class-action lawsuit based on discrimination. Alternatively there's also pressuring restaurants to replace tipping through social media campaigns and to organize boycotts or blacklists of companies that pay low wages, shitty practices, etc. When there's millions of people who are dependent on supplementing their pay through begging there is a serious social problem that should be addressed.

:snip: Whoa mama, I was late.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;48556290]Probably beginning with black waiters starting a class-action lawsuit based on discrimination.[/QUOTE] i'm not sure of what particular ways black servers are discriminated against, but if they can pull off a class-action lawsuit, then all the power to them [quote]Alternatively there's also pressuring restaurants to replace tipping through social media campaigns and to organize boycotts or blacklists of companies that pay low wages, shitty practices, etc.[/quote] i dunno about this one though, grassroots social media campaigns like this take a lot of public outcry, and to be completely honest, this particular issue doesn't seem to be one that the vast majority give a shit about at all, and the ones who do give a shit tend to blame their server for pestering them (just look at the majority of posts in this thread), instead of blaming high-level executives and corrupt legislature for enforcing broken laws [quote]When there's millions of people who are dependent on supplementing their pay through begging there is a serious social problem that should be addressed.[/quote] agreed

i dont know about you but i have literally never had anybody beg for a tip

hyperbole

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;48556177]by doing so, not only are you funneling money straight to the corporations and lobby groups that fight to keep minimum at $2.13 for servers, you're also purposely avoiding giving money to the servers themselves you're a selfish asshole[/QUOTE] A selfish asshole because we don't want to support the shitty outdated tipping culture that probably does more harm than good. Their shitty wages aren't the customers problem, and the customer is free to ignore it completely. Obviously people aren't going to stop tipping, but if they did, employers would be forced to raise the wages which would be a good thing.

[QUOTE=paul simon;48557343]A selfish asshole because we don't want to support the shitty outdated tipping culture that probably does more harm than good. Their shitty wages aren't the customers problem, and the customer is free to ignore it completely.[/quote] ah yes the old adage of taking advantage of an underrepresented workforce under the veil of grand ideology (but actually because you're too fucking stingy to spend a few extra dollars to show appreciation) totally not selfish [quote]Obviously people aren't going to stop tipping, but if they did, employers would be forced to raise the wages which would be a good thing.[/QUOTE] but first comes the millions of tipped staff who'll have to go without for however long it takes for the minimum to increase, if it even does in your hypothetical situation odds are, if everyone were to just ~quit tipping~ then restaurant corporations and associations would probably all just agree to keep the same minimum and slap an automatic gratuity on the check

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;48558023]ah yes the old adage of taking advantage of an underrepresented workforce under the veil of grand ideology (but actually because you're too fucking stingy to spend a few extra dollars to show appreciation) totally not selfish but first comes the millions of tipped staff who'll have to go without for however long it takes for the minimum to increase, if it even does in your hypothetical situation odds are, if everyone were to just ~quit tipping~ then restaurant corporations and associations would probably all just agree to keep the same minimum and slap an automatic gratuity on the check[/QUOTE] You know what I'd be fine with? A fixed standardized price for service in the receipt. That would be reliable, and not come off as begging.

[QUOTE=paul simon;48558062]You know what I'd be fine with? A fixed standardized price for service in the receipt. That would be reliable, and not come off as begging.[/QUOTE] Who asks or begs for a tip mate? It's a line on the recite, or it's an option on the ABM terminal you're handed. I have literally never ever seen "begging"

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48558087]Who asks or begs for a tip mate? It's a line on the recite, or it's an option on the ABM terminal you're handed. I have literally never ever seen "begging"[/QUOTE] The times I've experienced it, it has come off as begging in a mild way. That puts me off. Imagine a milder word for begging. I can't come up with one right now.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48558087]Who asks or begs for a tip mate? It's a line on the recite, or it's an option on the ABM terminal you're handed. I have literally never ever seen "begging"[/QUOTE] i thought he was just being hyperbolical [editline]28th August 2015[/editline] oop guess not [editline]28th August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=paul simon;48558062]You know what I'd be fine with? A fixed standardized price for service in the receipt. That would be reliable, and not come off as begging.[/QUOTE] so essentially you're just fine with tipping but you have issues with consistency?

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;48556124][IMG]http://facepunch.com/fp/flags/gb.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Yes, he is indeed from the UK, where the tipping culture is superior to that in the US. What's your point?

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;48558115]so essentially you're just fine with tipping but you have issues with consistency?[/QUOTE] I can deal with paying for service, but I don't think the tipping method is the correct way to handle it. A standardized service cost would be a more elegant solution, and more convenient for both parties.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;48558194]Yes, he is indeed from the UK, where the tipping culture is superior to that in the US. What's your point?[/QUOTE] you already know my fucking point, you just used this post as a vector for that "where the tipping culture is superior to that in the US" quip i can see you haven't been reading the thread because we've all been agreeing that the tipping culture here is shit

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;48558300]you already know my fucking point, you just used this post as a vector for that "where the tipping culture is superior to that in the US" quip i can see you haven't been reading the thread because we've all been agreeing that the tipping culture here is shit[/QUOTE] Your proposed method of solving this problem is to keep feeding the system by continuing to tip, while complaining about it on an online forum and calling people who don't tip assholes. My proposed method is to light a fire under the restaurant industry by refusing to tip so that they will finally start paying waiters and waitresses something decent.

[I]except they fucking won't[/I] we've literally been over all of this before

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;48559139][I]except they fucking won't[/I] we've literally been over all of this before[/QUOTE] idk a bunch of serving staff suddenly not being able to make ends meet might actually get you guys to work together and [I]actually try[/I] to enact change rather than just complaining that "it wont change". The US is a strange place...workers seem to actively fuck themselves over by constantly not trying to strive for better working conditions or pay. Yet insist that it's all fine...

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48559245]idk a bunch of serving staff suddenly not being able to make ends meet might actually get you guys to work together and [I]actually try[/I] to enact change rather than just complaining that "it wont change". The US is a strange place...workers seem to actively fuck themselves over by constantly not trying to strive for better working conditions or pay. Yet insist that it's all fine...[/QUOTE] You're not going to be able to get such a movement going on a widespread enough scale to create change. You would need millions of Americans all across each state to abstain from the practice for weeks at the least. As long as waiters make above the minimum wage after tips or have their boss make up for the difference if they don't, I don't see any immediate need for change. The U.S. government could still do its part to help through tax relief for the least-wealthy Americans and stop taxing businesses for hiring labour.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48559245]idk a bunch of serving staff suddenly not being able to make ends meet might actually get you guys to work together and [I]actually try[/I] to enact change rather than just complaining that "it wont change".[/quote] do you wanna go back and read the thread? the national restaurant association contributes exorbitant amounts of money to congress in order to prevent legislature that would emancipate tipped wage workers if everyone in the US just suddenly decided to stop tipping whatsoever, the most likely outcome would be an automatic enforced 18% gratuity slapped onto every check [quote]The US is a strange place...workers seem to actively fuck themselves over by constantly not trying to strive for better working conditions or pay. Yet insist that it's all fine...[/QUOTE] there's so many things wrong with this statement i don't know where to begin

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;48559278]if everyone in the US just suddenly decided to stop tipping whatsoever, the most likely outcome would be an automatic enforced 18% gratuity slapped onto every check [/QUOTE] Hey that sounds better than the current system where you have to try and work out just how much a server gets to eat this week or look like a huge asshole. If it's part of the bill, it's effectively not tipping and will still help make your wages up in the end assuming your boss isn't a total thundercunt. [QUOTE] there's so many things wrong with this statement i don't know where to begin[/QUOTE] At least try to begin rather than this nonsense. We have plenty of evidence that for some reason people - and not just CEOs, but people - are scared of an increase in minimum wage (even if it is just to match inflation like it should have in the first place). Any time someone brings up raising it the responses range from "well okay maybe it will help..." to "NO FUCK THAT YOU DON'T DESERVE TO BE PAID ENOUGH TO EAT BURGER FLIPPER". Unions are all but impossible to actually have, despite them being fairly useful for organised mass action against shitty working conditions, but nobody seems to give a fuck about that from what I've come across. The fear mongering around them has effectively killed them off.

bottom rung workers here, and food service workers especially, are so fucking expendable that even calling in sick or being late are grounds for a-firin' if any word were to spread about unionizing or any sort of mass action, those organizing it would be shitcanned faster than you can imagine, veiled by the execs as "late too often lol" or "unsatisfactory job performance" to avoid getting negative repercussions for firing an employee for attempting to unionize the incredible expendability of the average worker and the astronomical amounts of money being thrown around at the top levels prevent any sort of organization or change for tipped staff, aside from something truly paradigm-shifting, like some sort legislation severely nerfing lobbyists and PACs

[QUOTE=Lord of Ears;48559579]bottom rung workers here, and food service workers especially, are so fucking expendable that even calling in sick or being late are grounds for a-firin' if any word were to spread about unionizing or any sort of mass action, those organizing it would be shitcanned faster than you can imagine, veiled by the execs as "late too often lol" or "unsatisfactory job performance" to avoid getting negative repercussions for firing an employee for attempting to unionize the incredible expendability of the average worker and the astronomical amounts of money being thrown around at the top levels prevent any sort of organization or change for tipped staff, aside from something truly paradigm-shifting, like some sort legislation severely nerfing lobbyists and PACs[/QUOTE] If enough people unionize than that problem disappears. Then they'll be choosing between workers with higher pay or no workers. Not saying it's easy, just that workers will have to unionize if they want any influence at all. Also tipping just makes for worse service. The staff is so eager to get tips that they're basically up your ass all the time. Especially bad in places with many tourists where they even try to inform you that you have to tip. It's fucking annoying and it makes me not want to go to restaurants in the US.