[B]"0059:[/B] Tokyo Electric Power, which runs the two stricken nuclear power plants, confirms it has released a small amount of vapour into the atmosphere to reduce pressure on one of its reactors. It tells AFP there are no health risks."
[QUOTE=gman003-main;28553382]Found something interesting:
[url]http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu/f1-np/camera/index-j.html[/url]
(May take a while to load - it's obviously getting a lot more hits than usual)
It's a webcam feed showing the plant in question. Updates hourly, so you won't actually see any motion, but it's good to note that the plant isn't on fire (like I heard elsewhere), and that there's no damage to the cooling towers.[/QUOTE]
Take a look at the date and time. Then think of what day and time it is in japan. Then go ahead and slap yourself.
NHK has confirmed that venting has started however they are also attempting to filter it as well to collect as much radioactive material as they can. They also say that the government as demanded that the station's integrity be kept at all cost.
They know that they don't want to smear their nuclear program with a serious accident. So far theya re doing a vERY good job at controlling the situation, even if we don't know who at times is in control: The personnel, or the reactors.
[QUOTE=jordguitar;28553398]Take a look at the date and time. Then think of what day and time it is in japan. Then go ahead and slap yourself.[/QUOTE]
Whoops. Didn't read the text (I can't read Japanese), didn't notice it hasn't updated in 19 hours. My bad.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;28553443]Whoops. Didn't read the text (I can't read Japanese), didn't notice it hasn't updated in 19 hours. My bad.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://pointscope01.jp/image/newDateTime.gif[/img]
Those are numbers. I cant read japanese either but seriously.
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The webcam went down when the earthquake hit. I highly doubt updating that page saying the webcam is down is high on their priority list.
Prime minister is expected to visit the plant later today so whatever danger there is is not so bad that they are keeping political leaders away.
-NHK
never knew they looked like this
[img]http://rayharvey.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/atr.jpg[/img]
pretty
[QUOTE=User;28554188]never knew they looked like this
[img_thumb][URL][URL]http://rayharvey.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/atr.jpg[/URL][/URL][/img_thumb]
pretty[/QUOTE]
yea probably like that except spewing heat right now and a lot of alarms going off
its ok japan is immune to radiation
How massive will the toll be if this thing goes ass up, put it in simple terms.
[QUOTE=mzathemind;28554420]How massive will the toll be if this thing goes ass up, put it in simple terms.[/QUOTE]
radioactive tsunamis?
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[QUOTE=64fanatic;28554364]yea probably like that except spewing heat right now and a lot of alarms going off[/QUOTE]
even prettier!
[QUOTE=User;28554188]never knew they looked like this
[img_thumb]http://rayharvey.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/atr.jpg[/img_thumb]
pretty[/QUOTE]
Yep. You know what that cool blue glow is? It's called Cherenkov radiation. It's caused by particles going faster than the speed of light (in that particular substance - as we all know, nothing can exceed the speed of light in a vacuum, but light is slowed by things like water and air).
This "radiation" is harmless, BTW - it's just photons of a certain frequency. In this case, blue.
And now you know.
japan right now:
[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xHmHJYDguj4/Rd4Ve9gj32I/AAAAAAAAACk/ncr3l17nk2o/s400/20050121_v_homer-simpson5.jpg[/img]
[editline]12th March 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=gman003-main;28554546]Yep. You know what that cool blue glow is? It's called Cherenkov radiation. It's caused by particles going faster than the speed of light (in that particular substance - as we all know, nothing can exceed the speed of light in a vacuum, but light is slowed by things like water and air).
This "radiation" is harmless, BTW - it's just photons of a certain frequency. In this case, blue.
And now you know.[/QUOTE]
I call it magic.
[QUOTE=makingthatmaker;28548598]let's drop a nuclear bomb on it to minimize the damage[/QUOTE]
But what if two bombs aren't enough?
[QUOTE=mzathemind;28554420]How massive will the toll be if this thing goes ass up, put it in simple terms.[/QUOTE]
Quick estimates (note that I'm not a scientist, just a guy who's read all the Wikipedia articles on nuclear reactor accidents):
Partial controlled venting (what they're doing now, and where I'm guessing it will end): Probably just a handful of people over the next decade due to increased cancer rates
Full venting of the reactor chamber: In the range of a few hundred, again due to cancers
Partial meltdown: If not contained, could kill a few thousand, maybe tens of thousands. Some would be due directly to radiation sickness, so deaths would start within hours.
Full meltdown: If not contained, would kill tens of thousands, easy - it's rather close to a city
Meltdown + Pressure explosion (aka Chernobyl 2.0): I would put a million dead as a lower bound. Chernobyl was in the middle of nowhere. This is near some major cities. I would guess closer to 10 million, really. If the winds are right, radioactive material could go over China/Korea, causing major problems.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;28554612]Quick estimates (note that I'm not a scientist, just a guy who's read all the Wikipedia articles on nuclear reactor accidents):
Partial controlled venting (what they're doing now, and where I'm guessing it will end): Probably just a handful of people over the next decade due to increased cancer rates
Full venting of the reactor chamber: In the range of a few hundred, again due to cancers
Partial meltdown: If not contained, could kill a few thousand, maybe tens of thousands. Some would be due directly to radiation sickness, so deaths would start within hours.
Full meltdown: If not contained, would kill tens of thousands, easy - it's rather close to a city
Meltdown + Pressure explosion (aka Chernobyl 2.0): I would put a million dead as a lower bound. Chernobyl was in the middle of nowhere. This is near some major cities. I would guess closer to 10 million, really. If the winds are right, radioactive material could go over China/Korea, causing major problems.[/QUOTE]
yeah, 10 million. :xd:
Remember when i said there was going to be a radioactive mist?
It is actually happening right now :O
[QUOTE=User;28554552]japan right now:
[img_thumb]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xHmHJYDguj4/Rd4Ve9gj32I/AAAAAAAAACk/ncr3l17nk2o/s400/20050121_v_homer-simpson5.jpg[/img_thumb]
[/QUOTE]
[img]http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5077/mrsparkle.png[/img]
[QUOTE=gman003-main;28554612]Quick estimates (note that I'm not a scientist, just a guy who's read all the Wikipedia articles on nuclear reactor accidents):
Partial controlled venting (what they're doing now, and where I'm guessing it will end): Probably just a handful of people over the next decade due to increased cancer rates
Full venting of the reactor chamber: In the range of a few hundred, again due to cancers
Partial meltdown: If not contained, could kill a few thousand, maybe tens of thousands. Some would be due directly to radiation sickness, so deaths would start within hours.
Full meltdown: If not contained, would kill tens of thousands, easy - it's rather close to a city
Meltdown + Pressure explosion (aka Chernobyl 2.0): I would put a million dead as a lower bound. Chernobyl was in the middle of nowhere. This is near some major cities. I would guess closer to 10 million, really. If the winds are right, radioactive material could go over China/Korea, causing major problems.[/QUOTE]
10 million, what? And where do you get your figures for the venting increasing cancer risk? We don't know how much radiation is being released with the venting, but from the reports it seems to be negligible.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;28554612]Quick estimates (note that I'm not a scientist, just a guy who's read all the Wikipedia articles on nuclear reactor accidents):
Partial controlled venting (what they're doing now, and where I'm guessing it will end): Probably just a handful of people over the next decade due to increased cancer rates
Full venting of the reactor chamber: In the range of a few hundred, again due to cancers
Partial meltdown: If not contained, could kill a few thousand, maybe tens of thousands. Some would be due directly to radiation sickness, so deaths would start within hours.
Full meltdown: If not contained, would kill tens of thousands, easy - it's rather close to a city
Meltdown + Pressure explosion (aka Chernobyl 2.0): I would put a million dead as a lower bound. Chernobyl was in the middle of nowhere. This is near some major cities. I would guess closer to 10 million, really. If the winds are right, radioactive material could go over China/Korea, causing major problems.[/QUOTE]
Um yeah, none of that will happen, just to point out TMI underwent a partial meltdown, and nothing happened. You won't even have any deaths from cancers, the radioactive steam would take days to bring any repercussions, in a closed environment.
[QUOTE=MIPS;28549622]Japan is in the same nuclear safety agreements that the rest of the world uses. That being said, they all impliment a concrete and steel containment chamber around the core. The overheat condition they are facing right now is more similar to three-mile island than Chernobyl. The worst we can see is the pressure vessel internally break down but it should remain intact.
[img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/Graphic_TMI-2_Core_End-State_Configuration.jpg/427px-Graphic_TMI-2_Core_End-State_Configuration.jpg[/img_thumb]
If not, any molten material will fall into a concrete basin directly below it where it will then be quenched in boron which was the same material used to help stop the reaction after chernobyl exploded.
It's more than likely that they will have the loop circulating in the next few hours and we'll hear nothing more from it.[/QUOTE]
I am going to choose to believe this until it is absolutely disproved, because it makes me feel better.
Its just radiation, it was a dirty war on both sides dont worry about it!
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;28555072]Um yeah, none of that will happen, just to point out TMI underwent a partial meltdown, and nothing happened. You won't even have any deaths from cancers, the radioactive steam would take days to bring any repercussions, in a closed environment.[/QUOTE]
Repeating three words for emphasis:
[QUOTE=gman003-main;28554612]Partial meltdown: [b]If not contained, [/b][/QUOTE]
Partial meltdown, no containment breach = no big problem
Partial meltdown + containment bread = big problem
And yeah, I know I'm not being very scientific. I'm pulling these numbers out of my ass. And that's still more scientific than Fox.
[QUOTE=petieng;28554954]10 million, what? And where do you get your figures for the venting increasing cancer risk? We don't know how much radiation is being released with the venting, but from the reports it seems to be negligible.[/QUOTE]
Chernobyl was about 1m, when you counted all the long-term, global, casualties. And that was a low-population-density area. Fukushima (the prefecture) alone has 2m, and surrounding areas would add many more.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;28555390]
Chernobyl was about 1m, when you counted all the long-term, global, casualties. And that was a low-population-density area. Fukushima (the prefecture) alone has 2m, and surrounding areas would add many more.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article563041.ece[/url]
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/sep/06/energy.ukraine[/url]
The WHO and UN 2005 report puts it at 4,000 including long term cancer deaths. Greenpeace's estimate is now considered far from the truth (yet some also think 4000 is a large underestimate because the International Atomic Energy Agency was involved in the report and has a pro-nuclear agenda. I would like to see this report refuted by something other than anti-nuclear websites though)
[QUOTE=Billiam;28555230]I am going to choose to believe this until it is absolutely disproved, because it makes me feel better.[/QUOTE]
Reinforcing material
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHdsjo-NR4[/media]
It's worth the entire watch.
I'm perplexed as to why everyone was [i]overly[/i] freaking out about this, as if the immediate damage were to blow up the world. Yes, it is a bad event (and I'm not doubting that it is, hence why I put overly in italics), but evidence shows that the immediate harm is not as bad as you think. The government is smart and has and will take the necessary precautions to ensure the safety of their citizens.
[QUOTE=Shadowstone;28555628]I'm perplexed as to why everyone was [i]overly[/i] freaking out about this, as if the immediate damage were to blow up the world. Yes, it is a bad event (and I'm not doubting that it is, hence why I put overly in italics), but evidence shows that the immediate harm is not as bad as you think. The government is smart and has and will take the necessary precautions to ensure the safety of their citizens.[/QUOTE]
The panic is from the amount of information coming out. Here is a hint. Its not alot. Generally they are freaking right the fuck out because they think history is repeating itself.
this is jus tlike the holocuast
The panic is because no one really has any idea what this is going to do. Everyone can speculate and guess, but really, until it happens, no one knows what "it" is.
[QUOTE=abcpea2;28555982]this is jus tlike the holocuast[/QUOTE]
This is actually like multiple holocausts since there are multiple reactors!!
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