oh by the way, that bangladesh building collapse had just hit the death toll of 900 people
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How many people were in that building for Nine HUNDRED people to be dead?
[QUOTE=itak365;40582255]How many people were in that building for Nine HUNDRED people to be dead?[/QUOTE]
I'd say at least 900.
I'd estimate a thousand...
900 people die in a tragic accident, Facepunch debates the pros and cons of globalization and capitalism.
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[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;40582635]900 people die in a tragic accident, Facepunch debates the pros and cons of globalization and capitalism.
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FP knows best about everything!
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;40582635]900 people die in a tragic accident, Facepunch debates the pros and cons of globalization and capitalism.
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Did you expect any better? We always do this.
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40581374]AHAHAHAahahahaha.
Wait, you're serious.
HAHAHAHAHAHAhahahah...[/QUOTE]
ugh this is just such a socially awkward way post
Is there a picture of the building?
I know this is gonna sound dumb but Im gonna be a little upset if I dont see any sympathy for this on twitter or facebook from the typical people that use it
I just find it silly that the boston bombing(only took a few lives, but still terrible) can cause a national uproar but something like this barely garners any media attention
You've got to be shitting me... the initial estimate was 70..
That's... One third of the 9/11 death toll...
Jesus Christ.
[QUOTE=Jmir 54;40583692]I know this is gonna sound dumb but Im gonna be a little upset if I dont see any sympathy for this on twitter or facebook from the typical people that use it
I just find it silly that the boston bombing(only took a few lives, but still terrible) can cause a national uproar but something like this barely garners any media attention[/QUOTE]
Is easier to feel sympathy for others if they're from your same social group, in this case from your nation.
How in the fuck do you even put that many people in a single place
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40581816']If you don't think that globalization has created a race to the bottom, though, then you're being blissfully ignorant of the condition of developing nations. Take Mexico, for example: with NAFTA, the state took every means necessary to seize land, remove indigenous rights, destroy labor laws, and cut benefits, in order to provide land and work force for American businesses.[/quote]
It's not like living standards in Mexico are improving, American businesses are relocating to there due to the availability of skilled labour, violence is on a decline, wages are rising, and it's getting better.
Turns out the most effective remedy to ending the drug violence is to invest into Mexico.
[quote]In China, the majority of the population moved into the cities out of necessity. Farmers were no longer subsistence farming and were instead being forced into a competitive market by large-scale state and corporate-sponsored farm projects, which undermined the ability of the individual farming community to live, and created a migration to urban city centers.[/quote]
It's not like for the preceding thousand years that most Chinese people had a stagnant income, with people usually tied to the land and China importing little but silver with a wacky monetary policy.
[quote]This mass of cheap, unskilled labor pushed to state to accommodate them all with cheap living standards, and appealed to international business as an unexploited workforce with no rights, no will, and low expenses. And so today, you have masses of Chinese working unbelievably terrible jobs that they also live at, constantly indebted to their employers, with no hope in life beyond survival.[/quote]
Despite the fact that their wages are rising, roads and hospitals are being built, the Chinese government is passing reforms to clean up the environment, gradual democratic reforms are being carried out, and things are overall improving.
[quote]In Indonesia, a major American shoe company's factory burned down and left the workers with no job, no money, no compensation, as the owner skipped the country, and is now completely unaccountable even though the company owed a year of wages. Etc etc etc. [/quote]
Well clamp down on that kind of stuff. Even Ayn Rand would probably be against fraud like that.
[quote]Globalization is fine in that you're trading a shitty rural lifestyle with a shittier urban lifestyle, but by no means is the average person's life improving from it- economies are being subjugated to the interests of more powerful economic interests and governments bending to the will of these international corporations in order to provide for their state and people.[/quote]
How are you swapping a rural life for a worse urban life? People literally starved to death in the fields. Now they live in the cities where they have higher wages, more opportunities, better access to information, clean(er) water, etc. I would honestly swap a rural life for a urban one. Being a peasant sucks. People in China are flocking to the cities right now because of this.
[quote]As an analogy, this is taking the slave off the boat- yea, they're doing better than they were in tribal Africa, but how much better is slavery? They may live better off now, but at what price? Chinese factory workers aren't committing suicide in large numbers for no reason. There hasn't been an inward pro-national, communitarian response by many nations in the world for no reason, and there hasn't been an anti-globalization rebellion by South American nations for nothing.[/quote]
Anti-globalization is mainly promoted by economic and social reactionaries because they fear that people won't listen to them anymore.
[quote]Are life standards improving? That's a very subjective measure. Is the average person now being fed more, have more wealth, etc? Yes.[/quote]
Pretty much.
[quote]Are their lives better? Not at all. We measure their "improvements" based on what we in the West consider as benchmarks for well-being: wealth, property, and stability.[/quote]
Well technically economics is the science of how to make people happier. Unfortunately, we have to make a few assumptions in the meanwhile.
[quote]We do not measure such things as community well-being, individual happiness, and life satisfaction. While the former may be better now than ever before, the latter is at the same place, if not worse. In a world dominated by capitalism, it's no wonder that we measure the "improvements" of nations and cultures and people by how capitalistic they are, how their stake in capitalism is doing.[/QUOTE]
I prefer a world in which I live with a capitalist than under a feudal lord.
[QUOTE=IPK;40585575]How in the fuck do you even put that many people in a single place[/QUOTE]
Its Bangaladesh, every area is crowded with people.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40582104']And also the process by which a western person's goods lower in price, but a Chinese man's hours are increased and pay cut.
You and I already had this discussion, and it ended not on this discussion, iirc.[/QUOTE]
Except eventually the Chinese man goes "hang on a minute" and either forms a trade union or joins a company that offers higher wages.
This of course takes a little while, but it's made better by making the movement of people and goods faster whilst breathing down the neck of companies who don't follow the rules.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];40581816']If you don't think that globalization has created a race to the bottom, though, then you're being blissfully ignorant of the condition of developing nations. Take Mexico, for example: with NAFTA, the state took every means necessary to seize land, remove indigenous rights, destroy labor laws, and cut benefits, in order to provide land and work force for American businesses.
etc.[/QUOTE]
well i'm convinced
let's destroy all cargo planes, ships, and factories that make stuff other countries use
the now-unemployed people will obviously do better in this environment with no shipping jobs whatsoever and virtually no manufacturing jobs
they can go back to their farms that they abandoned a decade or two ago
BBC reports that we are now in the 1000+ range.
They're still dismantling the building too.......
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