• Kids too annoying? UK bill seeks to criminalize children’s ‘nuisance’
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This truly puts the 'nanny' in nanny-state.
Well, might as well close down South London while you're at it, since everything's going to be vacant
Hot Fuzz anyone?
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;42853206]Part of me is like 'fuck yeah, this is great!' and then the other half is kinda saying, 'isn't this a bit extreme?'[/QUOTE] Nobody likes annoying children and nobody likes intrusive government. Its conflicting.
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;42852713]This sounds a little too much like criminalizing homelessness and poverty[/QUOTE] Intentional and persistent is the key word here. That means that his only targets people who approach people, begging for money aggresively. They usually belong to some kind of beggar gang/ring.
This is just "in a perfect world" scenario. In a perfect world, kids would not be annoying and if they were they would be fined so parents would put more restraint on them. But as with all "in a perfect world" scenarios. It wouldn't work.
Does this bill also apply to those children who stand up in restaurant booths and stare at you nonstop?
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;42852713]This sounds a little too much like criminalizing homelessness and poverty[/QUOTE] It really depends on the welfare situation. In Germany people don't have live on the street if they don't want to and can get enough money not to have to beg, it's probably the same in the UK. That doesn't stop people from doing it anyway, there's some human trafficking where the people are forced to beg for someone else because they speak no German and entered the country illegally. I also had the "pleasure" of meeting a very impolite fake poor (looked like he just came out of a costume shop with a 'homeless'-costume, real homeless absolutely don't dress that way), saw him collect money from a woman with child 30 seconds after I told him I didn't have any spare change. It's reasonable because a lot of these people are frauds who tell lies to get sympathy. Note that I don't mind people who are honest about it, but they usually collect bottles and are much more friendly. Street musicians also don't actively beg, so I doubt they'd be hit by that law. I'm pretty sure that most of those who collect bottles wouldn't have to do it if they took welfare but it seems there's quite a lot of people who either don't know about it or are too proud (mostly older people). Obviously an exception are people who are addicted to something but last time I checked health insurance pays if one decides to do something about it.
[QUOTE=etoc17;42855232]Hot Fuzz anyone?[/QUOTE] Too many people entered that lady's store at a time
The only reason they're a problem is because they aren't being taken care of. If people actually cared for them they wouldn't be a problem.
[quote]“Essentially what they’re attempting to do is give police the authority to make any lawful protest immediately illegal, simply because it “may, has, or is likely to cause nuisance or annoyance,” Kerry-Anne Mendoza, a campaigner against the Anti-Social Behavior Bill told RT. [/quote] Classic RT No idea who the fuck this person is? Doesn't matter, they say the West is evil! [editline]14th November 2013[/editline] Btw this whole thing is the new replacement for ASBOs
literally nanny state
[QUOTE=thisispain;42855683]literally nanny state[/QUOTE] I had no practical science lessons in secondary school because of the health and safety regulations. Talk about making an interesting subject boring as fuck for a young teen.
i did, your secondary school must have been awful.
[QUOTE=thisispain;42855739]i did, your secondary school must have been awful.[/QUOTE] ofsted failing school year 2008. This is a parental thing btw, the whole kids being a nuisance, if they had a proper deterrent, IE- disciplined properly, or at-least the fear of being; Or just have them get stoned all the time, problem solved, everyone is too chilled to do anything.
[quote]“Essentially what they’re attempting to do is give police the authority to make any lawful protest immediately illegal, simply because it “may, has, or is likely to cause nuisance or annoyance,” Kerry-Anne Mendoza, a campaigner against the Anti-Social Behavior Bill told RT.[/quote] "get off my lawn you damn kids!"
[QUOTE=smurfy;42855587] Btw this whole thing is the new replacement for ASBOs[/QUOTE] Shh don't tell people the truth. How will they be outraged if they know the truth. They are (as you say) creating a law to allow the creation of injunctions in the same sense as ASBOs. Not arrest people for being annoying. Also I'm 99% sure all the ASBOs they list as being ~examples~ of how its failed have been proven to either be myths or overturned because of their absurdity.
[Quote] One man from Loch Ness named Stuart Hunt has faced court proceedings 2,100 times since 2007 for breaching an ASBO placed upon him for slow-hand clapping, laughing, and staring. [/quote] Saw this and thought it seemed a little ridiculous. Apparently the man only went to court 100 times, wonder how they managed that typo.
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