Mike Flynn offers to testify in exchange for immunity
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If true.
[media]https://twitter.com/Parker9_/status/847596087535861764[/media]
Buckle up motherfuckers cause this ride is starting to gain some speed
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;52034680]Flynn certainly did some shady shit, such as being payed tens of thousands of dollars to be a consultant for the Russian English-language propaganda network.[/QUOTE]
If that's really all it was, why in the world did he ask for immunity in exchange for testimony?
[editline]30th March 2017[/editline]
Actually, if anything, I'm worried that Flynn's going to be their fall guy. "Oh, it was all me, nobody else is connected to Russia."
[QUOTE=archangel125;52034957]If that's really all it was, why in the world did he ask for immunity in exchange for testimony?
[editline]30th March 2017[/editline]
Actually, if anything, I'm worried that Flynn's going to be their fall guy. "Oh, it was all me, nobody else is connected to Russia."[/QUOTE]
They'd not grant him immunity were that the case. Also, its not like they have to stop their investigation because he goes, "I did it!"
[QUOTE=Cufflux;52034781]We don't negotiate with criminals.
We shouldn't negotiate with possible traitors.[/QUOTE]
The easiest, fastest, and most effective way to get people to flip is to provide immunity to the first people to do so.
I would take this deal in a heartbeat.
Bear in mind that it's entirely possible that whatever connections and sinister implications Flynn has begin and end with Flynn. Or that they certainly might not go all the way up to Trump.
Asking for Immunity doesn't make this a crime-thriller film where he's just waiting for a safe chance to turn and make an open confession that [B]Dramatic Twist![/B] damns the Evil President and his Evil Cabinet.
In fact, if he were just wantonly granted Immunity for his testimony, he could just lay out everything he knows about specific Russian actors who contacted him, how he collaborated with them, and some other very unsexy, very boring details then ... nothing, because he received immunity.
I do grant it's entirely possible of course that Flynn's a rat fleeing a sinking ship and willing to turn over the WHOLE CONSPIRACY, but I think people best not get their hopes up over, "lock him up!" any time soon.
There are then [I]other[/I] issues anyways. The ostensible reason that Hillary Clinton did not receive charges for her alledged misconduct with a private server was the argument that, although the law was written such as it was, it was a law that was regularly and endemically broken by all peoples in Clinton's position prior to her. The case would have to be built in such a way that Trump and Company are [I]clearly[/I] agents of a foreign power or acted in some overt and intentionally illegal way, and that they didn't merely undertake a potentially common but by-the-books illegal practice of some collaboration with foreign entities not-dissimilar to aggressive lobbying efforts.
[QUOTE=Zombinie;52035048]Wait how would this work, who would give him immunity.
If he is pretty much going to testify against Trump & Co, and Trump & Co run the government, why would the government give him immunity?[/QUOTE]
"Trump & Co." do not, by some miracle, constitute the whole of the U.S. Government or it's will. Nominally, the separation of powers (Judiciary, Executive, Legislative) means that "Trump & Co." are a blight contained to their branch. Flynn would receive immunity from whatever prosecution handles Flynn's particular case. This however gets in to the messy argument of whether the Department of Justice (who would likely handle such a case) is a subsidiary of the Executive Branch, the Judiciary, or some bi-partisan, nominally neutral agency with no clear loyalties.
Wait how would this work, who would give him immunity.
If he is pretty much going to testify against Trump & Co, and Trump & Co run the government, why would the government give him immunity?
So, assuming the...most overwhelming scenario. Suppose Trump and his campaign are all found guilty. That would probably include Mike Pence, no? So assuming they're both found guilty, I guess that makes Paul Ryan president?
Is there any chance we might have to have another election :v:
[QUOTE=jonu67;52034500]We need to pick our battles here, he gives them what they need, they stick to their word because going back on it sets a precedent, if something like this happens in the future then they might not get someone who wants to backstab out of it and spill the beans.[/QUOTE]
If he feels the hammer coming he'll accept a deal anyway. Full immunity's no way to haggle here.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52035147]So, assuming the...most overwhelming scenario. Suppose Trump and his campaign are all found guilty. That would probably include Mike Pence, no? So assuming they're both found guilty, I guess that makes Paul Ryan president?
Is there any chance we might have to have another election :v:[/QUOTE]
If a full impeachment of Trump and his campaign staff (and possibly whole administration) happens, it would most likely be ten times bigger than Watergate. The GOP would be completely fucked in the 2020 election, and probably the 2018 midterms as well.
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52035147]So, assuming the...most overwhelming scenario. Suppose Trump and his campaign are all found guilty. That would probably include Mike Pence, no? So assuming they're both found guilty, I guess that makes Paul Ryan president?
Is there any chance we might have to have another election :v:[/QUOTE]
I have a feeling like Paul Ryan would know something about it and would likely get in trouble as well. According to the line of succession Orrin Hatch could get it. I don't know if he's been caught up in this big ordeal however.
Though if we're SUPER lucky Hatch, Tillerson, and Mnuchin all get boned and we have the John Mattis Presidency we're all hoping for.
From another forum
[Quote]The Flynn request for immunity and offering to testify a week after Manafort, Stone, and Page offered to testify in public looks like more of a fizzling out than a bomb about to drop. I'd guess that some of the pro-Trump FBI let the Trump crew know that the FBI has hit a wall, and is currently sitting on nothing more than circumstantial evidence, so they should come forward and testify, and own up to some of the shady and unethical, but not illegal behavior that the FBI has evidence of to essentially clear their name/bury the Russia story, barring some breakthrough that will sink screws all of them anyway.
Manafort may be the only one in trouble, but it will be for money laundering rather than treason.
If the FBI were really about to bring the whole circle down, we wouldn't be seeing so many bold offers to testify in public. The Trump crew have been notified that they are in the clear, and that they just need to let some house and senate Democrats berate them on CSPAN to put the whole episode behind them. [/Quote]
Keep your guard up for this mess.
[QUOTE=joshuadim;52034434]Flynn's attorney statement:
[media]https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/847592974108299264[/media][/QUOTE]
Still less medals than Neil Breen.
tbh If I was a judge I would grant him immunity from prosecution if he has evidence that leads to a conviction but if (at all possible) would ban him from ever taking a military/government roll ever again.
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52035266][media]https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/847635937995612160[/media][/QUOTE]
Wait, what? Forgive my ignorance, is he saying that Pence might be president?
[QUOTE=InfectedPotato;52035280]Wait, what? Forgive my ignorance, is he saying that Pence might be president?[/QUOTE]
Welp, looks like fabric mixing is going to get banned.
So, what exactly would happen if it is confirmed that Russia has tampered the election to get Trump in, after you impeach him? Would that be grounds for declaring war?
[QUOTE=Highwind017;52035394]So, what exactly would happen if it is confirmed that Russia has tampered the election to get Trump in, after you impeach him? Would that be grounds for declaring war?[/QUOTE]
realistic scenario: trump is either impeached or resigns, and pence is put in charge
assuming pence isn't a complete russian puppet (he probably isn't), he slaps huge sanctions and makes a massive public condemnation to save face, and russian/american relations are pretty much frozen solid for at least a decade
Wait so how reliable is all of this? Is this really going to happen?
[QUOTE=Highwind017;52035394]So, what exactly would happen if it is confirmed that Russia has tampered the election to get Trump in, after you impeach him? Would that be grounds for declaring war?[/QUOTE]
Please Don't because Nukes fly.
Why does Pence get to be put in power? He was elected VP because the person getting impeached cheated. It doesn't seem fair or really stop the corruption in the White House.
[QUOTE=Highwind017;52035394]So, what exactly would happen if it is confirmed that Russia has tampered the election to get Trump in, after you impeach him? Would that be grounds for declaring war?[/QUOTE]In days gone by it would've been, but since nobody fancies re-enacting Mad Max in the aftermath, it'll prolly go no further than great big sanctions and a freezing of diplomatic relations. Maybe the US will support elements in the Syrian civil war that'll fuck with Russia's interests at most, i'unno.
[QUOTE=MasterKade;52035446]Why does Pence get to be put in power? He was elected VP because the person getting impeached cheated. It doesn't seem fair or really stop the corruption in the White House.[/QUOTE]
That's just how the line of succession works. Besides, he's innocent until proven guilty so he can't be treated as if he's guilty even if Trump is found guilty of something.
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52035289][media]https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/847640507408760832[/media]
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Oh.
I have a feeling this thread might be a bit longer tomorrow morning.
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52035266][media]https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/847635937995612160[/media][/QUOTE]
if that's the case, things could get ugly and its hardly gonna help the tremendous political divide we have going on right now
[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52035289][media]https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/847640507408760832[/media]
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[media]https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/847633397090365442[/media][/QUOTE]
I can't help but not believe this at all
[editline]30th March 2017[/editline]
Like my favorite source person, Previously Reliable
if the ties are there the republicans will cut ties with him and force him to resign or face impeachment. But they will do it after the congressional elections or else they'd undoubtedly lose their majority
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