Breaking: Shooting in Santa Monica, 6 dead including gunman - Polidicks

Should be shooting[B]s[/B] in Santa Monica. Two of the shootings have been connected to the (now dead) gunman

My mom and my aunt work in Santa Monica :C

[QUOTE=16bit;40944217]B-But California has such [B]strict[/B] gun control! How could this have happened?[/QUOTE] Strict gun control on a state level doesn't really matter when other states within the country have regulations that aren't nearly as strict. To see any difference (whether positive or negative) it would have to be implemented on a nationwide scale. As far as I recall, the police commissioner of New York City said that they have strict gun control but you still have guns coming in from surrounding states with handguns being the most commonly used to commit crimes.

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[QUOTE=16bit;40944217]B-But California has such [B]strict[/B] gun control! How could this have happened?[/QUOTE] And California has less gun homicides that states than with very loose gun control, whats your point?

[QUOTE=Trooper0315;40944451]For all you who don't know: CA has banned short barreled rifles, limits 'assault weapons' to 3 attachments, caps magazines to 10 rounds, and AR-15s require a key to release the mag. And guess what? This shit still happens no matter what.[/QUOTE] though the law just went into order, such laws are expected to not be instantaneous in result. not arguing for or against it, just being realistic. Actually my opinion in gun laws is that some people are going to get what they want, but there would be fewer accidental deaths by law fallowing citizens.

[QUOTE=Mr_Razzums;40943217]American culture is very individualistic and competitive. Living in the US is basically a free for all, and if people don't get something they want, they blame some other group of people. Mental health assistance basically stops at unstable anti depressants. Lots of mixed cultures in one place breeds unwarranted racial segregation and tension because people aren't informed. The government is incompetent, schools are in abysmal shape that will never get better at this rate. Bad education leads to bad futures. The media indirectly glorifies mass shooters by immortalizing their name and face. Guns are not the problem.[/QUOTE] yeah but they sure make killing people easier don't they

[QUOTE=Raidyr;40945095]And California has less gun homicides that states than with very loose gun control, whats your point?[/QUOTE]lol no California has more gun homicides per capita than Minnesota has... at all. :l We've seen a steady increase (well, up until the whole "gun scare" thing happened so let's just ignore that little spike in activity) in firearm purchases, too. Minnesotans just aren't that into killing people.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;40945553]lol no California has more gun homicides per capita than Minnesota has... at all. :[/QUOTE] But it has less than Louisiana, Missouri, South Carolina, Michigan, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and Texas, all of which have far less stringent gun laws than California.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;40945649]But it has less than Louisiana, Missouri, South Carolina, Michigan, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and Texas, all of which have far less stringent gun laws than California.[/QUOTE]And then there's Montana, Kansas, Vermont, Alaska, and the Dakotas. They all have even less stringent gun laws than the states you listed. Vermont has literally none, just the federal laws.

Guns are dumb. Some people use guns for dumb things. Not all guns are used for dumb things though.

The thing is is that gun bans and regulations are never going to work, people will always find a way to get firearms of any type they will like, even if it's illegal. Prohibition is solid proof of this, when the government banned something people wanted, guys like Al Capone began to rise up and made sure the alcohol kept flowing History likes to repeat itself, and gun bans will see a very similar effect to what prohibition did. If the common man wants a firearm for fun or protection, he will find a way to get one. If a guy who wants to go on a rampage wants to get a gun, he will find a way. I doubt that the guys in Oakland and LA got their guns legally.

[QUOTE=Spool;40945724]Guns are dumb. Some people use guns for dumb things. Not all guns are used for dumb things though.[/QUOTE] I have never seen the argument put so nicely.

And as soon as this shooting happened, .22 Long Rifle prices went from .18 cents to .50 cents per round. I swear, this shit is turning into a stock market.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;40945095]And California has less gun homicides that states than with very loose gun control, whats your point?[/QUOTE] So owning a semi-automatic rifle with a pistol grip, a folding stock, and a 30 round detachable magazine males you more likely to kill someone than owning a bolt-action rifle with no grip, solid stock, and a 5 round internal magazine.

BBC says, Five dead in Santa Monica shooting [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22824733[/url] Oh i see what you did there 6 dead 5 originally + 1 gunman

[QUOTE=The Baconator;40942483][IMG]http://abcnews.go.com/images/International/homocides_g8_countries_640x360_wmain.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] You do know the US population is huge compare to those lil white european countries? How come antigun folks never use south american and african countries into their pretty biased charts.

Fuck, and I was going to go buy ammo.

[QUOTE=Ithon;40945159]though the law just went into order, such laws are expected to not be instantaneous in result. not arguing for or against it, just being realistic. Actually my opinion in gun laws is that some people are going to get what they want, but there would be fewer accidental deaths by law fallowing citizens.[/QUOTE] California has had these laws since 2004, when the nationwide ban on such things from 1994 expired.

[QUOTE=Iago;40948023]You do know the US population is huge compare to those lil white european countries?[/QUOTE] what is statistics "per 100,000" [QUOTE]How come antigun folks never use south american and african countries into their pretty biased charts.[/QUOTE] because it's fucking pointless to compare war-torn nations with crumbling regimes to a solidified superpower and economic giant.

[QUOTE=Melnek;40948576]what is statistics "per 100,000" because it's fucking pointless to compare war-torn nations with crumbling regimes to a solidified superpower and economic giant.[/QUOTE] Lol yeaa they have scary gangbangers, so does the the US. The US has a gang problem too.

We have nowhere near the gang issues that Central and South America have, so the argument really doesn't hold water. Our problem is a combination of social and economic issues which have been shafted for quick fix solutions which have worked well for certain areas, but in other areas have cause practical disasters, and attempting to fix such disasters at this point would be near political suicide.

[QUOTE=Iago;40948023]You do know the US population is huge compare to those lil white european countries? How come antigun folks never use south american and african countries into their pretty biased charts.[/QUOTE] It says "G-8 countries", which the G8 are the world's eight wealthiest nations.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;40946958]So owning a semi-automatic rifle with a pistol grip, a folding stock, and a 30 round detachable magazine males you more likely to kill someone than owning a bolt-action rifle with no grip, solid stock, and a 5 round internal magazine.[/QUOTE] What has that got anything to do with what I typed?

[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;40942144]Am I the only one that kind of thinks it was a little silly to pull over when a guy with a gun tells you to? For one, your car weighs a lot so ducking your head over and gunning it towards the guy imo seems like it would've been an option.[/QUOTE] There's one good reason why this is the stupidest choice you could possible make: A family sedan would struggle to stop a .22LR. Any commonly used handgun cartridge will sail right through the bodywork no problem, and rifle rounds cut through it as if it wasn't even there. Doing what you said would just get you killed faster than you can say "Oh fuck!". Cars aren't bulletproof. Not by a long shot.