12 year old tries to kill mom for taking iPhone by poisoning her with bleach. Twice. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=hexpunK;47364217]It's a 12 year old kid, kids haven't quite fully developed a concept of risk and causality fully by that point. It's very unlikely the kid did this knowing full well that if it worked, that'd be the end of their mother and just cause more problems than it could ever solve.[/QUOTE] It's true that children have an underdeveloped sense of self-control. However, this girl wasn't 8. By age 12, kids understand what death is and understand what killing someone means. It's not even a case of her losing her temper for a brief moment. She tried to poison her mother, multiple times. I'm not saying lock her away for life, but she absolutely needs to undergo intensive therapy immediately and be heavily watched. When a child shows sociopaths tendencies, don't poo-poo it. Stop it before it's too late.

[QUOTE=Quark:;47364423]kids are fucking spoiled. i didn't have a phone when i was a kid. i didn't have a bike. i had to walk uphill both ways to school and these little spoiled kids cry when their phone gets taken away, usually after they do something like buy a shitload of games or apps with their parents credit cards.[/QUOTE] Your house was permanently ascending then? Someone call the seismologists! We have a nobel prize right here. When my parents took stuff away for whatever reason, I'd just discuss it with them and figure out what the issue was. My brother on the other hand, will quite happily cut off his nose to spit his face, and will do anything to avoid 'giving in'. Never tried to kill them, though :v:

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;47363633]"Waaah! I'm completely ignoring the fact that there are other means such as laptops and desktops and Surface Pro 3s that allow me to go on Facebook and Twitter just fine too but instead I'm going to kill my mom for taking away effectively only the ability to make phone calls!" Like sheesh, facebook.com and twitter.com in any modern web browser works just as fine as the mobile clients. What an idiot.[/QUOTE] twelve year olds are notoriously stupid seriously why do we even keep them around

I'm pretty sure no normal twelve-year-old would do that. I'm guessing this one's a sociopath.

Lock the cunt and throw the key away. Rehab ain't gonna do shit to her.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;47363633]"Waaah! I'm completely ignoring the fact that there are other means such as laptops and desktops and Surface Pro 3s that allow me to go on Facebook and Twitter just fine too but instead I'm going to kill my mom for taking away effectively only the ability to make phone calls!" Like sheesh, facebook.com and twitter.com in any modern web browser works just as fine as the mobile clients. What an idiot.[/QUOTE] A lot of people use social media solely on their mobile phones. Some don't even know a desktop version exists. And to be fair, using Twitter on your phone is a lot easier than using it on a computer (talking about the desktop site, not using TweetDeck, etc.)

[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;47364852]It's true that children have an underdeveloped sense of self-control. However, this girl wasn't 8. By age 12, kids understand what death is and understand what killing someone means. It's not even a case of her losing her temper for a brief moment. She tried to poison her mother, multiple times. I'm not saying lock her away for life, but she absolutely needs to undergo intensive therapy immediately and be heavily watched. When a child shows sociopaths tendencies, don't poo-poo it. Stop it before it's too late.[/QUOTE] You're still going to have underdeveloped understandings of some things we take for granted at that age. I'm not trying to absolve her of the absolutely dumbfuckery that is trying to poison a parent (I really dunno how you guys always take a possible explanation as "they did nothing wrong"), but maybe help people realise that not all 12 year olds are going to understand the repercussions of their actions fully. She needs help, definitely.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;47363633] Like sheesh, facebook.com and twitter.com in any modern web browser works just as fine as the mobile clients. What an idiot.[/QUOTE] Better, honestly. I don't use FB, so I don't personally know whether its app is merely terrible or completely god awful, but I can confirm that the twitter and imgur android apps are shit on a stick. If I do browse them on my phone I just use Chrome Mobile and tell it to force desktop website.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;47363633]"Waaah! I'm completely ignoring the fact that there are other means such as laptops and desktops and Surface Pro 3s that allow me to go on Facebook and Twitter just fine too but instead I'm going to kill my mom for taking away effectively only the ability to make phone calls!" Like sheesh, facebook.com and twitter.com in any modern web browser works just as fine as the mobile clients. What an idiot.[/QUOTE] That can be true in some cases, except my father. He put a timer on anything non-productuve aka xbox one, 360, any game device or phone connected to the internet to go off after 12pm - 12am Productive products ie: Laptop's, computers keep connected from 12pm - 2am That is how my parents work, so if her mother was the same she would probably block anything else she had connected and not top up her kids phone

[QUOTE=hexpunK;47364217]It's a 12 year old kid, kids haven't quite fully developed a concept of risk and causality fully by that point. It's very unlikely the kid did this knowing full well that if it worked, that'd be the end of their mother and just cause more problems than it could ever solve.[/QUOTE] you're really underestimating the mind of a 12 year old. Death was probably fully in their head by 10, and if they're exposed to a harsh life it can be ingrained in them even earlier. 12 is almost ready to finish middle school.

i'd box her up to boarding school the next day

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;47363726]but was that the state pressing charges or her mother[/QUOTE] curious about this myself

[QUOTE=xthenarwhalx;47364761]Smart people buy Androids. That way their kid gets shamed at school for having a proper practical phone that doesn't fit into society and its obsession with iPhones.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, lets ignore that this girl tried to kill her mother and go and fanboy about muh androids! Its a damn phone, who cares what anyone thinks

Let's not blame this on the phones and "kids these days", because if you ask anyone they will probably tell you this is insane by any standards

I had a my 2nd phone when I was 12. And I was last in my class to get a phone. If someone made "kid phones" it would literally be bully fuel [editline]21st March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=KingKombat;47365671]Let's not blame this on the phones and "kids these days", because if you ask anyone they will probably tell you this is insane by any standards[/QUOTE] I blame parenting really. If you raise kid insane enough to kill someone for a phone you done fucked up

[QUOTE=Smallheart;47363666]I'd bring her phone in and fucking break it in half right in front of her. [editline]20th March 2015[/editline] And then send her to the scared straight program at my local county jail.[/QUOTE] Would do nothing if the child is actually a sociopath. You'd get the child acting fixed while studying up on the cultivation and formulation of undetectable organic poisons.

[QUOTE=opaali;47365679]I had a my 2nd phone when I was 12. And I was last in my class to get a phone. If someone made "kid phones" it would literally be bully fuel [editline]21st March 2015[/editline] I blame parenting really. If you raise kid insane enough to kill someone for a phone you done fucked up[/QUOTE] basically. it should go without saying. it just bugs me that people jump to the generational thing, implying that phones are literally so addictive that kids would kill over it, which couldn't be a more absurd accusation. if your child wants to kill you then something here has gone insanely wrong. it doesn't help that usually these headlines would imply some sort of weird, demonic "the omen"-like incident

I know there is quite a majority of Facepunch against physical punishment of a child, but I honestly hope the mother beat the hell out of the kid.

[QUOTE=opaali;47365679] I blame parenting really. If you raise kid insane enough to kill someone for a phone you done fucked up[/QUOTE] ehhhh in the past and these days kids don't entirely learn from their parents. saying 'bad parenting' is usually correct but when kids try to kill their parents this way it's something they developed themselves at random

[QUOTE=Cronos Dage;47365788]ehhhh in the past and these days kids don't entirely learn from their parents. saying 'bad parenting' is usually correct but when kids try to kill their parents this way it's something they developed themselves at random[/QUOTE] kids don't do random, they learn from what they see and what they are told and yeah when you say entirely. guess what, parents can affect that

[QUOTE=DoF;47364522]"people in the modern age have it better than i did when i was kid >:("[/QUOTE] More like: "People in the modern age are being raised in such ridiculously elevated standards of comfort and ease that they're losing all appreciation for the value of what things in life count the most and are becoming more and more narcissistically self-centered and materialistic." Which is [i]exactly[/i] what is happening in the world today and has been for some time now-- whether anybody wants to admit it or not. But that's the unsurprising gist of modern times and an inevitable consequence of the technological wonderland we're immersed in 24/7 now as never before in our species' history: "I want what I want, and I want it now, because I am special." [editline]21 March 2015[/editline] Not to say this girl hasn't got problems, just pointing out that there's a lot of problems in the world today that exist in the first place because of how spoiled people have become as a result of rapid technological evolution, which has had far-reaching impacts on our lives socially and emotionally and even intellectually.

[QUOTE=opaali;47365802]kids don't do random, they learn from what they see and what they are told[/QUOTE] What, kids aren't capable of independent thought? Was reading about this 9 year old girl back in the 30s. Living with her grandfather. One day he'd shouted at her, so she waited until he was asleep and hit him in the head with a hammer. Killed him. Completely calm about it, no regret or concern, just said he'd shouted at her. Knew he was dead, knew what that meant, just didn't care. No one knew what to do with her so her older sister took her in. 6 months later killed her sister, exactly the same way, this time over not getting some sweets. Same complete calm, same knowledge of what she'd done and same lack of any remorse. Where the hell did she learn that then? You can't fix sociopaths, and attempting to do so just teaches them how to better hide what they are.

[QUOTE=AlexConnor;47365920]What, kids aren't capable of independent thought? Was reading about this 9 year old girl back in the 30s. Living with her grandfather. One day he'd shouted at her, so she waited until he was asleep and hit him in the head with a hammer. Killed him. Completely calm about it, no regret or concern, just said he'd shouted at her. Knew he was dead, knew what that meant, just didn't care. No one knew what to do with her so her older sister took her in. 6 months later killed her sister, exactly the same way, this time over not getting some sweets. Same complete calm, same knowledge of what she'd done and same lack of any remorse. Where the hell did she learn that then? You can't fix sociopaths, and attempting to do so just teaches them how to better hide what they are.[/QUOTE] I think he was getting more into us being a product of the environment we're raised in rather then ingrained sociopathic disposition.

No respect for your parents these days.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;47364217]It's a 12 year old kid, kids haven't quite fully developed a concept of risk and causality fully by that point. It's very unlikely the kid did this knowing full well that if it worked, that'd be the end of their mother and just cause more problems than it could ever solve.[/QUOTE] So when you were 12 you didn't understand the consequences of killing someone?

Whilst murder is never the answer, it is wholly possible that taking the phone away was just part of what the mother was doing. I'm glad that the kid's attempt to kill her Mum didn't work (and holy shit, I hope she feels at least some remorse for even trying), but I have friends who've 'only had their phone taken away' but they get disproportionately angry about it because their phone might be their only escape from abusive or neglectful parents.

[QUOTE=ccg;47363626]Why are people so obsessed with their fucking phones[/QUOTE] Am i the only one who finds that ironic since you posted that from your phone? I must be the only one who doesn't own a smartphone only an old ipod that i sometimes use to browse the net, even then i almost never post with it.

This kid needs a wake up call from a psych, and probably some serious parental involvement.

[QUOTE=admiralt;47363640]Seriously. We've arrived to point where sons/daughters will try to kill their parents only for a motherfucking phone. I find it surprising and not surprising at the same time.[/QUOTE] No we have not arrived to that point. Yes cases of it come up, but so do cases of everything else. I highly doubt the phone is an issue, there are much more deeper concerns. People don't murder over phones normally, ya know.

I had my first phone when I was, uh, 14? It was one of those phones which resembled old nokia models when everyone else had those fancy new iPhones and slidephones. Although it didn't last long. My first 'real' phone I got was when I was 16/17, some payphone from Target. I'm actually kind of glad I didn't have much as a kid. :v: