Chile zoo kills lions to protect suicidal man in their cage - Polidicks

Should have tranq'd him and the lions. If he dies before the tranqs kick in then shame, but the lions didn't deserve to die because of his actions.

Unfortunately the truth is probably that if the lions had lived long enough to eat/kill the man they would have had to be put down afterwards anyway from public outcry, plus I feel like maybe zoo staff can't ever risk getting close to the lions again once they're man-eaters. Poor lions. :(

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369609]Two dumb as fuck flea-ridden animals in a zoo aren't worth the life of a single man, sorry broski[/QUOTE] Both lives are equally devoid of worth, you protect the one who has been endangered by the other. No edge meant.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369609]Two dumb as fuck flea-ridden animals in a zoo aren't worth the life of a single man, sorry broski[/QUOTE] Eh, worth sounds like a rather arbitrary measurement, anyway. Seems like it's really just up to each person's opinion.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369609]Two dumb as fuck flea-ridden animals in a zoo aren't worth the life of a single man, sorry broski[/QUOTE] Normally, I'd agree with your obnoxious opinion but considering the dickhead jumped in to commit suicide. The "flea-ridden animals" are definitely worth it, he might die to his injuries anyway. This is just a lose-lose situation for everyone.

[QUOTE=iNothing;50369640]Normally, I'd agree with your obnoxious opinion but considering the dickhead jumped in to commit suicide. The "flea-ridden animals" are definitely worth it, he might die to his injuries anyway. This is just a lose-lose situation for everyone.[/QUOTE] Since when are suicidal people considered fully capable of judgement ? You're making it sound like the guy's decision was 100% thought through, which is never the case for suicide, because of the very nature of the act. They're people with clouded judgement who try to end their lives and who need help. Animals are just animals. If a dude tries to kill himself it's everyone around them's duty to stop him and give him the help he needs to not want to die anymore. This isn't a case of suicide by cop or anything that involves other human deaths. You'd have to be completely disconnected from reality to think that a man's life is worth so little that you'd let him get eaten by lions just out of respect for two dumb animals who don't even acknowledge your existence.

even if you think you deserve a slow and painful death you'd have to be a special kind of cunt to do it directly at the expense of other people that is the one time you can truly call suicide selfish and be justified. It's just fucking stupid and asinine. I'm not going to call suicide otherwise selfish, or say who deserved to die, that's just being dumb, but for fucks sake.

[QUOTE=sb27;50368079]Tbh if I were a lion living in that kind of enclosure (concrete!), I'd want to be shot. I wonder how the suicidal man now feels that his selfishness has caused the death of two lions though.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=J!NX;50369682]even if you think you deserve a slow and painful death you'd have to be a special kind of cunt to do it directly at the expense of other people that is the one time you can truly call suicide selfish and be justified. It's just fucking stupid and asinine.[/QUOTE] I thought Facepunch as a whole had grown out of the whole "suicide is selfish" bullshit like four years ago. It's like the highhandedly most ignorant shit you can say about suicide to begin with.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369683]I thought Facepunch as a whole had grown out of the whole "suicide is selfish" bullshit like four years ago. It's like the highhandedly most ignorant shit you can say about suicide to begin with.[/QUOTE] When it's directly at the expense of others and you directly are going out of your way to screw with people, it kind of is I'm not going to pull that ignorant bullshit and say it's universally selfish, I'm saying that wasting peoples time / money / traumatizing people is fucked. [editline]22nd May 2016[/editline] Suicide is a fucked up thing and depression is legitimately a horrifying thing people go through but maybe don't fuck other peoples lives over. Only a whacko would commit suicide by cop / in a public place like this. It's morally wrong on every level that goes beyond just killing yourself. You're now purposely making it hard on everyone else.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369660] This isn't a case of suicide by cop or anything that involves other human deaths. You'd have to be completely disconnected from reality to think that a man's life is worth so little that you'd let him get eaten by lions just out of respect for two dumb animals who don't even acknowledge your existence.[/QUOTE] Killing the lions was the best way to go really. Not that the lions deserved to die but this is still a mans life, depressed or not. it's pretty fucked that people actually believe they should have just let him die.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50369701]When it's directly at the expense of others and you directly are going out of your way to screw with people, it kind of is I'm not going to pull that ignorant bullshit and say it's universally selfish, I'm saying that wasting peoples time / money / traumatizing people is fucked. [editline]22nd May 2016[/editline] Suicide is a fucked up thing and depression is legitimately a horrifying thing people go through but maybe don't fuck other peoples lives over[/QUOTE] Any form of suicide is going to involve making someone's day worse, from your family to the dudes who find you to the dudes who have to deal with your method of suicide. You can't just cherrypick and decide some people deserve it or were more selfish because they picked a certain method and not another.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369740]Any form of suicide is going to involve making someone's day worse, from your family to the dudes who find you to the dudes who have to deal with your method of suicide. You can't just cherrypick and decide some people deserve it because they picked a certain method and not another.[/QUOTE] I never said anyone deserved it, please don't say I did. I simply said that doing it explicitly out of the expense of someone else is really fucked up. There's a huge difference between silently killing yourself and doing it in a way that screws other peoples lives over. Obviously both will have the same effect, family members and friends will be really affected in a big way, but making it public and big like this is wrong in and of itself.

Why is public suicide "more wrong" than private suicide ? Because you don't get to see one and you get to see the other so the former doesn't disturb your happy reality and the latter disturbs you ?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369778]Why is public suicide "more wrong" than private suicide ? Because you don't get to see one and you get to see the other so the former doesn't disturb your happy reality and the latter disturbs you ?[/QUOTE] How can you not see that potentially publically traumatizing children and disrupting the lives of everyone that has to cope with seeing this would maybe be a terrible thing to do? "Disturb my happy reality" sounds unbelievably cynical of what I'm trying to say here. What is the point of wording it that way? Both disturbs my happy reality, but at least with the former children don't have to see it. Is it not wrong to walk up to a playground and shoot yourself in the face with a shotgun? That's effectively the same thing as this, just quieter. What about hanging yourself in the middle of a busy city? [editline]22nd May 2016[/editline] I'm not trying to call suicide selfish, or wrong, or right, or selfless, I'm trying to say that going out of your way to ruin other peoples day requires you to knowingly fuck with people. I fully understand that depressed people don't think straight, depression isn't a joke and people who think otherwise are stupid. But going out of your way to knowingly potentially ruin peoples lives is fucked. I'm not even going to say "Do it in private". Don't kill yourself, period. Get help, and try and live your life to the fullest. Your friends and family care about you more than you think. But under no circumstances should you try and mess with other peoples lives in that kind of way. I will not defend this dude. I don't care how depressed he is, he's completely in the wrong here. Does he deserve to die? No, he needs professional help and deserves a full life. Is this the wrong thing to do? Absolutely yes.

Suicide by lions. Now ain't that some shit. It's not the first time I've heard of such a case, but these always get me. How is it that suicidal people can be so fearless sometimes, with no regard for physical pain? Like being consumed alive by lions? Alright then.. I wonder if they ever come to regret it.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50369844]Suicide by lions. Now ain't that some shit. It's not the first time I've heard of such a case, but these always get me. How is it that suicidal people can be so fearless sometimes, with no regard for physical pain? Like being consumed alive by lions? Alright then.. I wonder if they ever come to regret it.[/QUOTE] Someone out there has this as a fetish. Think about that.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369778]Why is public suicide "more wrong" than private suicide ? Because you don't get to see one and you get to see the other so the former doesn't disturb your happy reality and the latter disturbs you ?[/QUOTE] 1) it's not socially acceptable, and thus not expected from you. 2) it can cause further damage to other people's health and/or properties, cause delays in train schedules etc. That's about it, if you ask me. The 1st one (imho) has a higher priority, so if public suicides are considered acceptable [I]by the society[/I], perhaps a tradition of who can do the most impressive or daring suicide at some point in their lives, then any collateral damage would likely be more tolerated in that society. [editline]22nd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;50369872]Someone out there has this as a fetish. Think about that.[/QUOTE] Eww.

Why didn't they just taze the lion in the knee? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Aleister;50367977]Why even choose such a horrible way to die? I wouldn't imagine lions would kill things super fast. Wasn't there a guy who did a similar thing last year with a tiger enclosure?[/QUOTE] Just a dog can rip your face off so it looks like a broken McDonalds ketchup pack. Lions also go for the face and neck (sometimes throat) first. Sometimes when they have to struggle they rip off limbs from arms and legs without issues. The worst part is that it takes a very long time untill you die even with nightmaris wounds like this; hence the throat's damage. Would've just been easier to jump from a high fall, but I think this guy was extremely desperate, considering most suicides cause of death.

[QUOTE=Aleister;50367977]Why even choose such a horrible way to die? I wouldn't imagine lions would kill things super fast. Wasn't there a guy who did a similar thing last year with a tiger enclosure?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/white-tiger-mauls-youth-to-death-at-delhi-zoo/article6438493.ece[/url] That time it wasnt a suicide attempt, though, he tried to get closer to the tiger for whatever reason

[QUOTE=Krem Mannen;50367852]Not worth.[/QUOTE] I think it might be something about not traumatizing the visitors or the workers, nobody wants to clean up the mess that a predator leaves after killing and eating its game, especially not if the game was a [B]human being[/B]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369683]I thought Facepunch as a whole had grown out of the whole "suicide is selfish" bullshit like four years ago. It's like the highhandedly most ignorant shit you can say about suicide to begin with.[/QUOTE] Suicide is selfish and I say that as a person who has been suicidal and spent a year seeing a shrink. Even the least-selfish forms of suicide can have a lasting effect on friends, family, emergency responders, and of course the people who find you. But what this man did was incredibly selfish. He did it in front of dozens if not hundreds of helpless bystanders, probably with some kids in the mix, and his stunt caused the needless death of two lions. While I would disagree with saying it's ignorant to believe suicide is selfish, I would agree with saying it's insensitive to believe suicide is selfish. Which is why when I read about someone committing suicide I don't usually think 'how selfish'. But what this man did was definitely selfish. I hope he recovers and gets to live out the rest of his life, but his action did mean that two other innocent creatures lost their own lives.

[QUOTE=FalconHBFS;50368920]The guy is on life support with a high chance of dying for the lions injuries, everybody loses.[/QUOTE] The lions lose not him

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369778]Why is public suicide "more wrong" than private suicide ? Because you don't get to see one and you get to see the other so the former doesn't disturb your happy reality and the latter disturbs you ?[/QUOTE] No one who isn't mentally fucked willingly wants to see some shoot themselves in the head or get splattered on the ground while they're just trying to go through their day. It's like with people committing suicide by jumping infront of trains or cars, it fucks with the drivers and can severely traumatise them. The driver, who does not know the person and was just trying to get on with their day. [editline]22nd May 2016[/editline] Not to mention someone can full on die because of the suicidal persons actions. Jumping off a building, landing on someone. Jumping infront of a car, causing that car to crash. [editline]22nd May 2016[/editline] I don't think the actual act of suicide is selfish but doing it in a way that directly affects someone elses life by either directly harming them or making them think it was their fault is selfish as fuck

Jump off a bridge next time would you please

If nothing else, I would imagine the zoo hopefully amping up security. If a man was able to get into their lion enclosure, there likely needs to be an assessment of how he got access to prevent it from happening again. Suicide isn't always decided at last second. Many times it's premeditated for a long time. I can't say whether this was one thing or the other, but even so, his actions caused the death of two animals who were innocent. If he were to recover and not outright institutionalized, I could foresee him being held responsible for their deaths. Not sure how laws in Chile work though. Probably more complicated than that. This is definitely not a thing that's easy to come to a conclusion about. But I'm definitely of a mind that if you're suicidal and considering something like this that can put someone or something else in danger because of it, there has to some sort of responsibility. But it's hard to know what because a suicidal person clearly has no desire to live. I guess it's just up to people to be aware of their surroundings as well as the fact that the world as a whole needs to be more educated about mental health.

[Quote]“We’re shaken by this because the animals in the zoo are part of our family,” Montalva said. “These were lions that had been with us for more than 20 years.” [/Quote] This is just so terribly sad. I hope they didn't have to kill the lions in front of many people. How horrible. I wouldn't want to be the guy that would have to put them down.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369778]Why is public suicide "more wrong" than private suicide ? Because you don't get to see one and you get to see the other so the former doesn't disturb your happy reality and the latter disturbs you ?[/QUOTE] because it has an effect on more people, idiot. and it's not just that it "disturbs" people, in this case he got two innocent lions killed, and i'm pretty sure seeing two lions try to tear a man to pieces did much more than "disturb" the onlookers. and going by your logic, if a person was to jump in front of a train or a highway, that's not selfish? even when he's directly endangering other people, apparently that's comparable to just hanging yourself? sure, it's obviously going to upset your family and friends, but at least you're doing it in a way that minimizes the overall impact it has, unlike jumping in front a moving car like a fuckwit and possibly getting someone else killed. "oh they're depressed, they don't care anymore!!! why would they care!!!" well, shouldn't YOU care? just because they're depressed/suicidal they get a pass on everything? if you don't care about those innocent people he affected through doing it then you're just much of a psychotic asshole as he is. what if a person runs into a stores and blows himself up because he was suicidal, killing ten other people... apparently it's okay because he just didn't care anymore? so because he didn't care, you're not supposed to care either about the people he harmed? and it's the same as just doing it silently in your room? i'm not saying suicide as a whole is selfish, i'm saying that people who go out of their way to do it in an attention-grabbing/harmful way to others are selfish. if you're going to do it, have some courtesy and do it in a way that doesn't affect a bunch of innocent people... or in this case, lions AND people.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369683]I thought Facepunch as a whole had grown out of the whole "suicide is selfish" bullshit like four years ago. It's like the highhandedly most ignorant shit you can say about suicide to begin with.[/QUOTE] This suicide attempt in particular was selfish as shit, first of all going to a fucking zoo where children and families go for entertainment to basically publicly kill yourself is pretty thoughtless, if he dies in hospital this is going to be such a huge waste. [QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369609]Two dumb as fuck flea-ridden animals in a zoo aren't worth the life of a single man, sorry broski[/QUOTE] Actually your attitude towards this whole thing stinks, wasn't aware that people still thought of things as black and white as this anymore..

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369609]Two dumb as fuck flea-ridden animals in a zoo aren't worth the life of a single man, sorry broski[/QUOTE] I don't really see how two innocent lives are worth less than one actively trying to end itself