Chile zoo kills lions to protect suicidal man in their cage - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369778]Why is public suicide "more wrong" than private suicide ? Because you don't get to see one and you get to see the other so the former doesn't disturb your happy reality and the latter disturbs you ?[/QUOTE] What is PTSD What is a children's animal park

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369778]Why is public suicide "more wrong" than private suicide ? Because you don't get to see one and you get to see the other so the former doesn't disturb your happy reality and the latter disturbs you ?[/QUOTE] People have a right to take their own life. You're selfish if you leave a mess for someone else to clean up, cause property damage or loss of life to others in the process, or end your life in a manner traumatic to others.

[QUOTE=sb27;50368079]Tbh if I were a lion living in that kind of enclosure (concrete!), I'd want to be shot. I wonder how the suicidal man now feels that his selfishness has caused the death of two lions though.[/QUOTE] I'm just going to abandon this thread now because I'm just going to assume this is going to devolve into the "suicidal people aren't logical you can't blame them for possibly scarring other people" argument that the "man jumps in front of train" thread devolved into.

I'm not sure that a person who is mentally deranged enough to prefer being eaten by a lion to continuing living could be described as selfish. My guess is that his mania overcame any rational thoughts about the welfare of others, including animals. I forgive him.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369683]I thought Facepunch as a whole had grown out of the whole "suicide is selfish" bullshit like four years ago. It's like the highhandedly most ignorant shit you can say about suicide to begin with.[/QUOTE] "Sorry little Timmy for giving you crippling PTSD for years, had to off myself with your favorite animal" How is this NOT selfish?

Considering lions acted purely on their instinct, and he at the very least had the awareness of what he was doing (jumping in lion pit while there were spectators around), all I can say is fuck him. [editline]22nd May 2016[/editline] Would you use your bullshit apologism for a suicidal bus driver who decides to drive himself off the cliff while the bus he's driving is loaded?

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;50372128]should've shot the dude instead. asshole[/QUOTE] Then the guard would be looking at murder charges. Idk about the law in chile but I'd bet killing the lions wasn't super illegal like killing him would be. Plus it doesn't stop them from mauling his body.

I honestly hope the guy legitimately dies. Not only did he cause the deaths of 2 members of an endangered species, but he also possibly traumatized children who were present who wanted to see animals at the zoo. If the guy doesn't die, I hope he is imprisoned then or some form of punishment is dispensed.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;50372128]should've shot the dude instead. asshole[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=joshuadim;50372203]I honestly hope the guy legitimately dies. Not only did he cause the deaths of 2 members of an endangered species, but he also possibly traumatized children who were present who wanted to see animals at the zoo. If the guy doesn't die, I hope he is imprisoned then or some form of punishment is dispensed.[/QUOTE] this is such a shitty way to view things. I can't imagine what it's like to be this spiteful. I genuinely feel bad for people who think this way.

The man is responsible for the deaths of those animals, no doubt. But this also shows how dangerous suicidal tendencies can be and how mentally ill people can feel like these are acceptable methods of suicide. It doesn't help anyone to absolve him of his crimes, regardless of why he did it, but at the same time, wishing death upon him is not the acceptable response either.

[QUOTE=J!NX;50372205]this is such a shitty way to view things. I can't imagine what it's like to be this spiteful. I genuinely feel bad for people who think this way.[/QUOTE] Ok, let me put it in more lenient terms. There are 7 billion people on Earth. There are estimated to be only 30,000 lions left compared to 200,000 just 100 years ago. I value the lives of the lions more so than this man's in this case.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;50372219]Ok, let me put it in more lenient terms. There are 7 billion people on Earth. There are estimated to be only 30,000 lions left compared to 200,000 just 100 years ago. I value the lives of the lions more so than this man's in this case.[/QUOTE] Cool but that doesn't mean he should die, dude.

[QUOTE=Pascall;50372226]Cool but that doesn't mean he should die, dude.[/QUOTE] That's your opinion and I have mine. To each their own.

I genuinely hope you never meet someone who is mentally ill, then.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;50372203]I honestly hope the guy legitimately dies. Not only did he cause the deaths of 2 members of an endangered species, but he also possibly traumatized children who were present who wanted to see animals at the zoo. If the guy doesn't die, I hope he is imprisoned then or some form of punishment is dispensed.[/QUOTE] If he dies, he gets what he wants, but if he lives, he'll have to live with what he's done.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50367912]As long as you don't have the opinion of "Those lions deserved to die" or "That guy should've died", you're good.[/QUOTE] They should had shot the gun off of the lion's paw!

[QUOTE=Pascall;50372239]I genuinely hope you never meet someone who is mentally ill, then.[/QUOTE] Just because I show my anger to this guy doesn't mean I hate/wish ill upon everyone who has a mental illness. I have friends who are bipolar, epileptic, (formerly) bulemic, etc.

[QUOTE=joshuadim;50372254]Just because I show my anger to this guy doesn't mean I hate/wish ill upon everyone who has a mental illness. I have friends who are bipolar, epileptic, (formerly) bulemic, etc.[/QUOTE] You're allowed to be angry, because I am too! Being an advocate for the survival of wildlife is fine! But saying "this guy deserves to die" because he's mentally ill and had something in him telling him that this was the ideal way to go is not likely to be an effective response to anything regarding this scenario. Yes, it was the wrong thing to do. And yes, if he lives, he should absolutely face consequences for endangering himself and, really, the public around him, not to mention be held responsible for the lives of the animals that had to die because of him, as well. But him dying ensures that he gets what he wants, ultimately. And teaches nobody anything, nor does it give him a chance to realize WHY what he did was wrong - because it's certainly not impossible. I can understand that he made a very terrible decision but at the same time, I can also understand the effects of suicidalism on a person. And outright saying that he should die for what he did is just pointless anger and hatred. There could be a better ending to this than that.

The guy had a note that he signed as "Jesus". The police believes he had some messianic reason to do this. Also, a lot of people wants the zoo closed and even want a ban on zoos because of this. Fuck.

[QUOTE=oskramorir;50373576]The guy had a note that he signed as "Jesus". The police believes he had some messianic reason to do this. Also, a lot of people wants the zoo closed and even want a ban on zoos because of this. Fuck.[/QUOTE] this might not be the best reason to ban zoos, but it sure as hell isn't the only reason. i can definitely get behind that

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50369683]I thought Facepunch as a whole had grown out of the whole "suicide is selfish" bullshit like four years ago. It's like the highhandedly most ignorant shit you can say about suicide to begin with.[/QUOTE] It's less that suicide is selfish and more the manner in which he tried to do it that was selfish and now resulted in two lions being dead. Don't know what this guy was thinking, you'd think a rope would be better than being torn apart by lions any way.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50373842]It's less that suicide is selfish and more the manner in which he tried to do it that was selfish and now resulted in two lions being dead. Don't know what this guy was thinking, you'd think a rope would be better than being torn apart by lions any way.[/QUOTE] He most likely wanted to suffer, he could have hated him self so much that he felt like it wouldn't affect anyone watching He probably wanted the worst way out That's honestly more terrifying than any other take on it, that someone would be that far gone Still inconsiderate of others in a way, but grim to think of what feeling that would be like

oskramorir claims he's a loon who thought he was told to by the messiah

a news site [URL="http://www.biobiochile.cl/2016/05/22/por-que-arrojarse-a-los-leones-la-teoria-biblica-sobre-el-suicida-del-zoologico.shtml"]says[/URL] that in his letter he wrote that the apocalypse was coming and that god was going to protect him.

Jesus how horrible what That's way worse than what I assumed it could have been

This is just sad. As an animal lover, especially big cats, this really angers me. Why would you ever do this? If you really need to die, isn't it easier to just... get a gun or something?

Selfish piece of shit.

Just by looking at this thread, no wonder depression's still stigmatized.

[QUOTE=DeEz;50376113]Just by looking at this thread, no wonder depression's still stigmatized.[/QUOTE] Apparently genuine mental illness and not depression

[QUOTE=J!NX;50369701]When it's directly at the expense of others and you directly are going out of your way to screw with people, it kind of is I'm not going to pull that ignorant bullshit and say it's universally selfish, I'm saying that wasting peoples time / money / traumatizing people is fucked. [editline]22nd May 2016[/editline] Suicide is a fucked up thing and depression is legitimately a horrifying thing people go through but maybe don't fuck other peoples lives over. Only a whacko would commit suicide by cop / in a public place like this. It's morally wrong on every level that goes beyond just killing yourself. You're now purposely making it hard on everyone else.[/QUOTE] sometimes depression/suicidal thoughts are brought on by lack of social attention so, when whoever is going through it commits suicide, they sometimes purposefully do it in a public place because of how desperate for attention they are you really shouldn't blame them [editline]23rd May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pascall;50372282]You're allowed to be angry, because I am too! Being an advocate for the survival of wildlife is fine! But saying "this guy deserves to die" because he's mentally ill and had something in him telling him that this was the ideal way to go is not likely to be an effective response to anything regarding this scenario. Yes, it was the wrong thing to do. And yes, if he lives, he should absolutely face consequences for endangering himself and, really, the public around him, not to mention be held responsible for the lives of the animals that had to die because of him, as well. But him dying ensures that he gets what he wants, ultimately. And teaches nobody anything, nor does it give him a chance to realize WHY what he did was wrong - because it's certainly not impossible. I can understand that he made a very terrible decision but at the same time, I can also understand the effects of suicidalism on a person. And outright saying that he should die for what he did is just pointless anger and hatred. There could be a better ending to this than that.[/QUOTE] What?! No, he shouldn't be punished for this, he should be given the help he needs. Punishing him for this kinda stuff will just make everything worse. Would you rather have him be given mental help, so in the end, only two animals die, or have him face harsh consequences, which has the possibility of making him try this again?