[QUOTE=Jookia;26498702]Julian Assange doesn't know if the stuff he is sent is stolen or not. It's not knowingly aiding a felon.[/QUOTE]
There is almost no way for the person sending assange this information to not be a felon. Maybe in other cases this argument holds up, but not when what assange is getting is obviously classified information from the united states government.
[release]allegations of rape and sexual molestation[/release]
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1033805-The-alleged-sex-crime-of-Julian-Assange-Unprotected-sex[/url]
[url]http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/[/url]
According to that his "crime" was consensual unprotected sex with two women. Well, he had a condom on for one of them, but it broke. It was only after both women found out about each other, and that he'd blown both of them off that they complained.
I kinda wish he'd just hang himself or something already, forget the deadman switch or whatever, I bet money almost all of the people that support him are under the age of 16 and think that they deserve to know what's in the files he has stored and think nothing bad would come of it.
Honestly sit down with a clear head and think about this, what he has apparently could have the potential to start a goddamn war, costing thousands of innocent people their lives and families. One man who does not look through what he releases could end lives just because he thinks he's above the law. You really wanna defend that? The guys a shitstain on the world and some things, are simply better left unknown.
I support this choice as the guy has already caused enough trouble and has gotten enough people killed with that huge namedrop.
"Julian Assange doesn't know if the stuff he is sent is stolen or not. It's not knowingly aiding a felon. "
I'd expect this reply from a 12'er. That's how dumb this statement is.
No one likes people who can't keep secrets :v:
[QUOTE=GunFox;26494651]Bud, you aren't a whistleblower.
A whistleblower is only out to release information which unveils corruption or illegal activity. You release EVERYTHING. Whistleblower laws do not protect you because you actively aid and abet people in the theft of government property regardless of its effects on the population.
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If he isn't releasing information about illegal activities, then wat is the problem?
[editline]5th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=GunFox;26494651]
I mean seriously, how does anyone think it is okay to release EVERYTHING? Diplomats giving candid descriptions of public figures behind closed doors ISN'T CORRUPTION. IT'S PART OF THE BASIC FUNCTION OF HAVING A GOVERNMENT.
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And a point about the American diplomats. The US is the only country that still uses amateur diplomats. The President can appoint anyone he wants to be a diplomat regardless of their qualifications. They don't have to know a damn thing about the country they're communicating with.
This kind of sounds like something that is being given more attention with the Wikileaks release.
[editline]5th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=GunFox;26498607]The materials distributed were stolen from the US government. Knowingly aiding a felon is a serious crime.[/QUOTE]
How is publishing information aiding a felon in any way? You're really stretching it here.
[editline]5th December 2010[/editline]
I guess ignorance is bliss. :downs:
[QUOTE=GunFox;26497207]Except he committed a crime against the United States. Australia is completely within its rights to work with the US against Assange. [/QUOTE]
He is not a citizen of the United States, and therefore cannot be charged with any crime relating "the betrayal of the United States". For instance, they cannot charge him with treason, as the US is not his home country.
The United States has no grounds to prosecute Assange. If they did, you would've seen it already, however, as has been reported, the AG is trying to find reason to prosecute.
[QUOTE=GunFox;26497207]Again, aiding and abetting.[/QUOTE]
Which is irrelevant.
Most of the governments who want him to go down because of the WikiLeaks thing know they don't have anything to charge him with, otherwise they'd have a warrant out for the leaks, not some alleged "rape and sexual molestation" charges, which I mentioned in my last post.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;26496316]Even if this is so, the "Whistleblowing" was done in reference to the United States.
Australia, as he is a citizen of Australia, should do it's duties to protect him. It's fucking ridiculous that his own country would see him arrested and deported to face charges which are not even relevant.[/QUOTE]
Australia doesn't give a shit about its citizens overseas when they get arrested. I mean David Hicks spent how long in prison without a trial and what did the Australian government do?
I'm probably risking a shitstorm by bringing him up again though.
[QUOTE=Sift;26498851]"Julian Assange doesn't know if the stuff he is sent is stolen or not. It's not knowingly aiding a felon. "[/QUOTE]
The site is called Wiki[b]Leaks[/b]. The name implies he knew exactly what he was getting into
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;26499907]Australia doesn't give a shit about its citizens overseas when they get arrested. I mean David Hicks spent how long in prison without a trial and what did the Australian government do?
I'm probably risking a shitstorm by bringing him up again though.[/QUOTE]
What about how the Aussie government tries to get apparent drug smugglers out of the death penalty in Bali?
[QUOTE=Best4bond;26500244]What about how the Aussie government tries to get apparent drug smugglers out of the death penalty in Bali?[/QUOTE]
Urgh why didn't I think of that example first? That was definitely just fucking awful.
[QUOTE=MuTAnT;26499907]Australia doesn't give a shit about its citizens overseas when they get arrested.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. The bitching you hear is because the Australian Government doesn't do what the families want it to do. For instance, ask the Governor, President, Prime Minister of said country to exponge any wrong doing. It cannot be done and won't be done. The Dept of Foreign Affairs does a great job when you're actually in trouble.
David Hicks is something else.
Anyway, it's clear that the Australian Government do give a shit. After all, they've got all the ADF's, ASIO and Government's best lawyers seeing if Assange can be charged with something. See, they do give a shit!
for once Australia did something right
[QUOTE=Sift;26498851]I kinda wish he'd just hang himself or something already, forget the deadman switch or whatever, I bet money almost all of the people that support him are under the age of 16 and think that they deserve to know what's in the files he has stored and think nothing bad would come of it.
Honestly sit down with a clear head and think about this, what he has apparently could have the potential to start a goddamn war, costing thousands of innocent people their lives and families. One man who does not look through what he releases could end lives just because he thinks he's above the law. You really wanna defend that? The guys a shitstain on the world and some things, are simply better left unknown.
I support this choice as the guy has already caused enough trouble and has gotten enough people killed with that huge namedrop.
"Julian Assange doesn't know if the stuff he is sent is stolen or not. It's not knowingly aiding a felon. "
I'd expect this reply from a 12'er. That's how dumb this statement is.[/QUOTE]
Yeah 'cause the U.S. government totally didn't start a war costing thousands of innocent people their lives and families and regularly act above their own laws (which is what Wikileaks is trying to expose).
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;26497970]I think this is the tipping point for internet censorship. You guys want your rights? Then stand up tall. If not just roll over and forget about what transgressed with wikileaks. Allowing the floodgates of hidden censorship to occur.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately if most this forum stood up tall the weight exerted from their stomachs would automatically make them roll over
I don't like that guy.
Assange is in england?
Fuck where is he , I want to give that guy a handshake
I think, that since we are democratic, we are the government (in a limited capacity mind you) therefore we have the right to this information anyway? :cheers: Mr. Assange
So you're leaking incredibly sensitive information all over the world, willingly causing a shitstorm and upsetting governments and now we're supposed to feel sorry for you not being able to return to your homeland?
Fuck off.
[QUOTE=GunFox;26497207]Except he committed a crime against the United States. Australia is completely within its rights to work with the US against Assange.
Again, aiding and abetting.[/QUOTE]
sorry US law isn't international law, thus your whistleblowing acts etc are meaningless.
[editline]5th December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;26501969]So you're leaking incredibly sensitive information all over the world, willingly causing a shitstorm and upsetting governments and now we're supposed to feel sorry for you not being able to return to your homeland?
Fuck off.[/QUOTE]
oh NO he's UPSETTING GOVERNMENTS
holy shit seriously guys be anti-government or pro-government already take a side, one minute you're complaining about how the US gov is taking your guns and the next you're supporting them in reducing transparency.
When a citizen of Britain hacks into the Pentagon to look for evidence of UFOs, the British Government fights tooth and nail to stop him from being extradited to the US.
When a citizen of Australia gets given information about corrupt diplomats and publishes it, the Australian Government instantly rolls over and cooperates with the US to try to arrest him.
[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;26502117]When a citizen of Britain hacks into the Pentagon to look for evidence of UFOs, the British Government fights tooth and nail to stop him from being extradited to the US.
When a citizen of Australia gets given information about corrupt diplomats and publishes it, the Australian Government instantly rolls over and cooperates with the US to try to arrest him.[/QUOTE]
A guy with Aspergers syndrome is hardly a fair comparison to Julian Assange.
And of course these being 2 different nations and all.
[quote=Swedish Police]Swedish authorities failed to fill out the arrest warrant correctly.[/quote]
Haha.
Now Assange will never get in Jail.
[QUOTE=MasterG;26502162]So far Assange has exposed corruption, cover-ups, and made some very important people look silly, but he's only relaying information.
It's like someone going and saying "Hey! This guy told me that the headteacher doesn't like us!" and then the kid that relayed that information is taking punishment for it.[/QUOTE]
That's a pretty shoddy analogy
[QUOTE=MasterG;26502162]So far Assange has exposed corruption, cover-ups, and made some very important people look silly, but he's only relaying information.
It's like someone going and saying "Hey! This guy told me that the headteacher doesn't like us!" and then the kid that relayed that information is taking punishment for it.[/QUOTE]
Well, Bradley Manning is currently on trial for leaking information to wikileaks, so that's that.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;26502138]A guy with Aspergers syndrome is hardly a fair comparison to Julian Assange.
And of course these being 2 different nations and all.[/QUOTE]
whatever way you spin this, australia is being cowardly
I'd love it if Assange was next door.
[QUOTE=MasterG;26502217]Well Manning should be the one facing all the consequences, not Assange. No offense to Manning.[/QUOTE]
Accessory.
[QUOTE=mr apple;26495687]WOW FUCK YOU JULIAN GILLARD, YOU WAIT MATE.
You fucking wait, Gillard
whore
[editline]5th December 2010[/editline]
Seriously, I'm ashamed to be Australian right now
[editline]5th December 2010[/editline]
Should really be called the "Australia Government abandoned me" not Australia
You can come have a cold one with me Assange[/QUOTE]
he risked lives and all sorts of shit just because of some dumb principles, id say he belongs in australia, in a prison
and what the hell is "you wait mate" you bogan
[QUOTE=MasterG;26502217]
Well Manning should be the one facing all the consequences, not Assange. No offense to Manning.[/QUOTE]
Assange had access to the information and he could've simply left it there and then. Instead, he decided to plaster it on wikileaks.
So no, Manning shouldn't be the only one.
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