US election: 'Cruel' Trump claim annoys Muslim family - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TheTalon;51270384]I don't care if it's dumb. I stopped giving a toss about the government years ago. It's obvious the people aren't in charge and don't get anything from them other than more grief in one area or another. The only way I know how to say Fuck You is to let them deal with 4 years of Trump. Him in office will change nothing for us as it doesn't REALLY matter who the president is, but it'll annoy Congress, and that makes me a little happier[/QUOTE] Yo when people (namely King Tiger amongst others) squeal in indignant outrage over people criticizing the shortcomings of democracy, this is what those people are talking about just fyi. [editline]27th October 2016[/editline] Just a straight up fundamental misunderstanding of how politics actually works on both the executive and legislative front. "I'm voting Trump because Congress members won't like him" is possibly the dumbest reason to vote Trump, and I've read some fuckin doosies in my time I tell you what.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51270550]I have very little direct interest in either candidate winning. At this point, to me, it's about exposing/ending the rampant corruption in mainstream western politics. I believe if Clinton is voted in, it will send a message to politicians everywhere that being obviously corrupt is still not enough to be prosecuted and "fired" from your position.[/QUOTE] but if Trump is elected it doesn't send that message? I think it quadruples down on that message that being corrupt, unscrupulous and horrendously fraudulent is the way for americans to aspire to be.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51270550]I have very little direct interest in either candidate winning. At this point, to me, it's about exposing/ending the rampant corruption in mainstream western politics. I believe if Clinton is voted in, it will send a message to politicians everywhere that being obviously corrupt is still not enough to be prosecuted and "fired" from your position.[/QUOTE] Trump ends the exact same message, only with the added garnish of being a complete piece of shit.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51270579]I really don't see how Donald "Shady business deals" Trump is more corrupt than Hillary "Goldman Sachs, the rest of Wall Street and foreign goverments" Clinton[/QUOTE] well, mainly because her transcripts leaked, and were far less inflamatory than you think they were. They actually show her saying that if they keep doing what they're doing, she'll let them be eaten by the fucking wolves, namely, the US citizenry, so it's pretty fucking insane to think she's lying to them in her speeches to play this game of 239084790234D chess that you all imagine is happening. Secondly, because Trump is a sexual predator and you're saying "Nah, that's fine, I'm actually super okay with sexual assault being made okay in the US more so than it already is". Not to mention, Trumps numerous links to Russia, are you sure you really want to throw your chips in with them like they're the bastions of american freedom? Trump, a person who's used money and power to bend the rules around him his whole adult life who's never seriously faced any form of hardship at any point in his life is purely unfit to run the US, let alone the things he's done and said in the election period. He's literally threatening democracy as it is. but you're okay with that! So honestly, your hypocrisy is ridiculous. The idea they're equivalent has been debunked, but you people dont' fucking care. It's fucking feelz before reelz all day for you people.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51270579]I really don't see how Donald "Shady business deals" Trump is more corrupt than Hillary "Goldman Sachs, the rest of Wall Street and foreign goverments" Clinton[/QUOTE] Summarizing Trump's scandals as "shady business deals" is hilariously disingenuous. Wall Street? Clinton wants to work with people in the financial sector to create compromise regulation, per her transcripts. Trump just wants to deregulate. In his words the 2008 housing crisis was great. Foreign governments? They gave money to the Clinton Foundation. Trump has direct, personal financial interests staked in other countries and has shown absolutely no intention of separating himself from those operations when he becomes commander in chief.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51270550]I have very little direct interest in either candidate winning. At this point, to me, it's about exposing/ending the rampant corruption in mainstream western politics. I believe if Clinton is voted in, it will send a message to politicians everywhere that being obviously corrupt is still not enough to be prosecuted and "fired" from your position.[/QUOTE] And if Trump wins it sends the exact same message with the addition of "also voters love racist rhetoric and being a generally vile human being as open and loudly as possible will get you elected!."

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51270706]Clinton, a person who's used money and power to bend the rules around her for her whole adult life who's never seriously faced any form of hardship at any point in her adult life is purely unfit to run the US, let alone the things she's done and said in the election period and before.[/QUOTE] Are you saying Trump isn't literally this as well? Because if you aren't, then what's the point of mentioning it?

Voting for Trump as a protest vote is pretty much the country equivalent of self immolation as a protest. One election against a perceived 'corrupt' politician isn't going to change the mind of politicians as a whole, and isn't worth the 4-8 years of ineptitude that comes with Trump.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51270735]Exactly. The argument can be made for (against) both parties.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Levelog;51270715]then what's the point of mentioning it?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51270706]Thinking any company would pay 200k+ for a 30 minute speech is disingenuous in my opinion. Two career politicians shouldn't be able to amass a 200 million dollar fortune. HumanAbyss, we've had this argument before. You'd like to install a "guilty until proven innocent" environment when it comes to sexual assault. I disagree with that. You're trying to spin it to make it look like that means I'm fine with sexual assault. I am not. Clinton, a person who's used money and power to bend the rules around her for her whole adult life who's never seriously faced any form of hardship at any point in her adult life is purely unfit to run the US, let alone the things she's done and said in the election period and before.[/QUOTE] I really, really would not. You're okay with a person running their mouth on the largest stage in the world saying horrific things about abusing women, and abusing their power over other people I don't have to do shit to "spin" that. You're doing a fantastic job making that look horrible as it is. I don't like Clinton, but I'll take her over Trump and his disgusting bullshit anyday of the week. These are companies that pay millions for bullshit, these are people with little understanding of the cheaper way of doing things, 200k for a speech for them is nothing, and in Clintons own words "That's what they offered" should she have haggled for more? [editline]27th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51270735]Exactly. The argument can be made for (against) both parties.[/QUOTE] So why do you really have an allegiance to one over the other in the clearly demonstrable way that you do?

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51269881]If you care about ending systematic racism, I suggest consider the culture and system it self is propped up by narratives. Kinda how the catholic church was propped up by a single narrative. As soon that narrative was debunked. the Church lost power and everything linked to it began to fall into ruin, decay and faded into nothing. Things such as churches. The difference between the catholic church and America? In America, its a multi narrative system. By adhering to either left or right, you are propping up the system thus are partaking in oppressing your fellow person. Including minorities. By trying to get me to adhere or buy into either narrative, you are trying get me to keep this broken and oppressive system going. Thus you are in my view encouraging me to be racist. Once both the left and right's narratives are erased is when the culture and the system will fall apart and fade away. That is when we can start anew and build something better.[/QUOTE] clearly what we need is some ni droite ni gauche

:snip: I don't wanna do this

Voting for trump as a protest vote shows that you agree with what he talks about, and his policies. If you want to protest vote that bad, vote for a third party, or at least something that you fucking believe in. If you agree with trumps policies, through and through, that's your thing, but I really hate it when I see people who hate trump, and hate everything he stands for, and all his policies, but want to vote for him anyways because 'he's not hillary'.

Did this spray-tanned butt-trumpet seriously just claim that their son wouldn't have died because they wouldn't have gotten involved in the same war that he is recorded to have supported?

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51270706] Clinton, [B]a person who's used money and power to bend the rules around her for her whole adult life[/B] who's never seriously faced any form of hardship at any point in her adult life is purely unfit to run the US, let alone the things she's done and said in the election period and before.[/QUOTE] Donald Trump literally said he could sexually assault someone and get away with it because he is famous. What level of hardship should a candidate have to endure to qualify for the presidency? I want a specific idea of what you mean by this.

[QUOTE=Dave_Parker;51270706] Clinton, a person who's used money and power to bend the rules around her for her whole adult life who's never seriously faced any form of hardship at any point in her adult life is purely unfit to run the US, let alone the things she's done and said in the election period and before.[/QUOTE] What. Trump started out with a million dollars and all of the advantages his filthy rich farther could give him, He has lived in an ivory tower (likely with his name on the side) his entire life, he is so out of touch with normal people that he may as well live in his own fucking reality, and is currently catching shit for bragging that he's so rich and famous he can get away with sexual assault. What "hardships" has Trump ever faced? an out of order elevator results in him waiting an extra 5 minutes for his staff to help him get dressed in the morning? Ffs, don't even start on "shit she's said!" can you name someone Trump hasn't talked shit about?. He fits your description a hundred times better than Clinton does.

Imagine having the privilege to decide you want to choose a candidate as a "Fuck you" to the system, without even considering the effect it'll have on women, minorities, and LGBT people. It must be comfortable to know that you can make decisions that affect others and not even care.

[QUOTE=ThatSwordGuy;51271039]Imagine having the privilege to decide you want to choose a candidate as a "Fuck you" to the system, without even considering the effect it'll have on women, minorities, and LGBT people. It must be comfortable to know that you can make decisions that affect others and not even care.[/QUOTE] Trump has said multiple times he's pro-minority, pro-LGBT I don't really know what you want to hear from him that'll finally convince you otherwise. Like I really doubt he's going to get elected then go "SIKE DUDE GET MEMED ON" then make gay marriage illegal and start legalizing the lynching of black people or whatever.

[QUOTE=Claxx;51271095]Trump has said multiple times he's pro-minority, pro-LGBT I don't really know what you want to hear from him that'll finally convince you otherwise. Like I really doubt he's going to get elected then go "SIKE DUDE GET MEMED ON" then make gay marriage illegal and start legalizing the lynching of black people or whatever.[/QUOTE] Your reasoning doesn't apply, just cause someone says they're not racist or whatever doesn't mean they aren't and you don't have to go as far as legalizing the lynching of black people or even make gay marriage illegal to cause harm to minorities.

[QUOTE=Claxx;51271095]Trump has said multiple times he's pro-minority, pro-LGBT I don't really know what you want to hear from him that'll finally convince you otherwise. Like I really doubt he's going to get elected then go "SIKE DUDE GET MEMED ON" then make gay marriage illegal and start legalizing the lynching of black people or whatever.[/QUOTE] Are you for real!?, Pro-minority, while a fucking Muslim ban

[QUOTE=Claxx;51271095]Trump has said multiple times he's pro-minority, pro-LGBT I don't really know what you want to hear from him that'll finally convince you otherwise. Like I really doubt he's going to get elected then go "SIKE DUDE GET MEMED ON" then make gay marriage illegal and start legalizing the lynching of black people or whatever.[/QUOTE] he has also said nobody respects women more than him but we all know that's not true

[QUOTE=Claxx;51271095]Trump has said multiple times he's pro-minority, pro-LGBT I don't really know what you want to hear from him that'll finally convince you otherwise. Like I really doubt he's going to get elected then go "SIKE DUDE GET MEMED ON" then make gay marriage illegal and start legalizing the lynching of black people or whatever.[/QUOTE] You're pretty gullible if you think a guy who says he's pro-minority while advocating muslim bans, racial profiling using stop and frisk, and police crackdowns in the ghettos is actually pro-minority

[QUOTE=Claxx;51271095]Like I really doubt he's going to get elected then go "SIKE DUDE GET MEMED ON" then make gay marriage illegal[/QUOTE] Uh.... Earlier in the year he said that he would appoint judges to overrule the supreme court decision legalizing same-sex marriage, and leave it to the states. And repeatedly since 2000, he has stated that he is against same-sex marriage.

[QUOTE=Ogopogo;51271159]Uh.... Earlier in the year he said that he would appoint judges to overrule the supreme court decision legalizing same-sex marriage, and leave it to the states. And repeatedly since 2000, he has stated that he is against same-sex marriage.[/QUOTE] Pffft look at this fucking MSM CTR ROFL SJW sheeple, Imagine thinking things that Trump has literally said he would do if he was president are a good indication of what he would do if he was elected. Sad. The trick is, that you have to remember to check in with Trump's fan base every time he says something awful or stupid to get the scoop on what he "really means".

[QUOTE=Claxx;51271095]Trump has said multiple times he's pro-minority, pro-LGBT I don't really know what you want to hear from him that'll finally convince you otherwise. Like I really doubt he's going to get elected then go "SIKE DUDE GET MEMED ON" then make gay marriage illegal and start legalizing the lynching of black people or whatever.[/QUOTE] Having Pence proves he's not a friend to the LGBT community Having a literal self avowed bigot on your side proves that you don't care, not that you do care.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51269881]If you care about ending systematic racism, I suggest consider the culture and system it self is propped up by narratives. Kinda how the catholic church was propped up by a single narrative. As soon that narrative was debunked. the Church lost power and everything linked to it began to fall into ruin, decay and faded into nothing. Things such as churches. The difference between the catholic church and America? In America, its a multi narrative system. By adhering to either left or right, you are propping up the system thus are partaking in oppressing your fellow person. Including minorities. By trying to get me to adhere or buy into either narrative, you are trying get me to keep this broken and oppressive system going. Thus you are in my view encouraging me to be racist. Once both the left and right's narratives are erased is when the culture and the system will fall apart and fade away. That is when we can start anew and build something better.[/QUOTE] This rhetoric is so convoluted that I have no idea what point you're actually trying to make, let alone how it is in any way relevant to what I said.

[QUOTE=Claxx;51271095]Trump has said multiple times he's pro-minority, pro-LGBT I don't really know what you want to hear from him that'll finally convince you otherwise. Like I really doubt he's going to get elected then go "SIKE DUDE GET MEMED ON" then make gay marriage illegal and start legalizing the lynching of black people or whatever.[/QUOTE] I can't tell if you are serious. I don't care what he said, actions speak louder than words