Atheist group to distribute books in schools after bibles were allowed. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;39258643]Oh you cunts. The Bible has societal, cultural and historical significance and hence requires a look-over even though you may not agree with the contents. [/QUOTE] I know right, all that pillaging,rape,mass murder,suppression of knowledge and thought control had quite an impact on the society.

[QUOTE=archangel125;39265463]The point is that if there's nothing wrong with the distribution of bibles in schools, the opposing argument is entitled to its hearing - Especially if it encourages scrutiny and critical thought.[/QUOTE] ...yet essentially whenever Creationists say the same thing they all get laughed at and no one really cares. Why should we be skeptic of evolution? After all, everyone goes for it, says it's true, believes it is. So why should anyone ever take a look behind closed doors to see if it is everything everyone says it is? What I have said above, (or, rather, in an earlier post really) displays that an evolutionist point of view requires lies to bring people to "the truth". If it were the truth, the evidence would stand out and there would be no reason for it. There have been numerous fakes in the area, and attempts at cover-ups and media block-out. This is why you never hear about any evidence for creation- it is all controlled. Any opposition is kicked out, thrown aside as trash before they can say anything or be listened to. If an innocent man goes to jail without a hearing, is it really safe to say he was just criminal scum? Think critically about your own belief before doing so to another. Try to get a better understanding of something before you make your judgement.

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39265541]...yet essentially whenever Creationists say the same thing they all get laughed at and no one really cares. Why should we be skeptic of evolution? After all, everyone goes for it, says it's true, believes it is. So why should anyone ever take a look behind closed doors to see if it is everything everyone says it is? What I have said above, (or, rather, in an earlier post really) displays that an evolutionist point of view requires lies to bring people to "the truth". If it were the truth, the evidence would stand out and there would be no reason for it. There have been numerous fakes in the area, and attempts at cover-ups and media block-out. This is why you never hear about any evidence for creation- it is all controlled. Any opposition is kicked out, thrown aside as trash before they can say anything or be listened to. If an innocent man goes to jail without a hearing, is it really safe to say he was just criminal scum? Think critically about your own belief before doing so to another. Try to get a better understanding of something before you make your judgement.[/QUOTE] Are you really saying that evolution is "in doubt"?

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;39258643]Oh you cunts. The Bible has societal, cultural and historical significance and hence requires a look-over even though you may not agree with the contents. Distributing propaganda like that is just a douche move imo; its not like the students aren't smart enough to make their owned damned decisions[/QUOTE] bad post This is excellent, this is clearly a war of idiologies, might as well give the students better points of view

[QUOTE=danharibo;39265552]Are you really saying that evolution is "in doubt"?[/QUOTE] Evolution is starting to become "in doubt" by many scientists world-wide. The only reason why most of the never come forward is because they fear for their jobs; a few years ago a worker at NASA got fired after being forced to "shut up" (for lack of better term) after talking to workmates about Creationism and such. I suggest you watch "eXpelled" for a better understanding than I can provide you with.

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;39258643] Distributing propaganda like that is just a douche move imo; its not like the students aren't smart enough to make their owned damned decisions[/QUOTE] Exactly, so they'll either pick the bible or the atheist book They aren't removing the bible...

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39265617]Evolution is starting to become "in doubt" by many scientists world-wide. [/QUOTE] what no

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39265617]Evolution is starting to become "in doubt" by many scientists world-wide. The only reason why most of the never come forward is because they fear for their jobs; a few years ago a worker at NASA got fired after being forced to "shut up" (for lack of better term) after talking to workmates about Creationism and such. I suggest you watch "eXpelled" for a better understanding than I can provide you with.[/QUOTE] haha ok you must be one of those shitposters I keep hearing so much about. There's [url=http://www.expelledexposed.com/]plenty[/url] of shit on the [url=https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=eXpelled+debunked]Internet[/url] debunking that stupid film. And don't bother posting a link to "ncseexposed" since it's obviously connected to the DI.

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;39258643]Oh you cunts. The Bible has societal, cultural and historical significance and hence requires a look-over even though you may not agree with the contents. Distributing propaganda like that is just a douche move imo; its not like the students aren't smart enough to make their owned damned decisions[/QUOTE] if it was the qur'an you wouldn't agree. despite both of them being worth researching

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39265617]I suggest you watch "eXpelled" for a better understanding than I can provide you with.[/QUOTE] Ah, yes, "eXpelled". That 'documentary' that is critically panned by just about every single living human being, and that also claims that evolution is responsible for Communism, Fascism and Nazi Atrocities.

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39265617]Evolution is starting to become "in doubt" by many scientists world-wide. [/QUOTE] You do realize this needs a source so hard it hurts right? Oh never mind you used that abysmal documentary as a source, in a roundabout way. Hahaha

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39258694]You know, aggressive atheists are just as bad as aggressive religious folk, distributing books and shit? Yeah that's cool you're trying to prove a point that the policy is retarded, why not just open an actual debate with policy makers instead of distributing books. Lay out an actual fucking argument for your side of the debate and present it to the appropriate people, not parcel out books and shit to everyone, because it just comes across as tit for tat no matter how much they don't want it to be taken that way.[/QUOTE] I imagine this has probably been done too; it's just not worth reporting on.

Why don't schools just offer a world religions class (which would include atheism and other "non-religions") so that we don't get bullshit like this from either side. I don't want bibles shoved down my throat, but I also don't want super-atheistic propaganda shoved down my throat either. [editline][/editline] because Christianity and Atheism aren't the only two relevant religions.

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;39258643]Oh you cunts. The Bible has societal, cultural and historical significance and hence requires a look-over even though you may not agree with the contents. Distributing propaganda like that is just a douche move imo; its not like the students aren't smart enough to make their owned damned decisions[/QUOTE] What? Bible only? Why?

If people were taught philosophy from day one I think the whole religion debate could be sidestepped entirely. Religious education is the least informative lesson ever, in my experience. I don't give a shit about jewish wedding ceremonies seriously what the fuck. All of the potentially engaging parts about religious education are more suited to philosophy anyway (except the more historical/cultural parts, which are probably more suited to history, but I don't think these are as important to someone's intellectual development).

[QUOTE=Black;39265904]What? Bible only? Why?[/QUOTE] because Indoctrinating people into reading the Bible is ok for him I guess. But doing the same with an atheist book, that's devil worshipping.

[QUOTE=danharibo;39265552]Are you really saying that evolution is "in doubt"?[/QUOTE] He's probably trying to say we shouldn't fully believe it. I agree with him. One of the major perks that scientific theories have over religious texts is that theories are both updated and expanded constantly. If that weren't the case, then we would be still be using Freudian psychology.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;39266679]He's probably trying to say we shouldn't fully believe it. I agree with him. One of the major perks that scientific theories have over religious texts is that theories are both updated and expanded constantly. If that weren't the case, then we would be still be using Freudian psychology.[/QUOTE] Except he then went on to mention 'eXpelled', which would make it less of "We should keep investigating because that's what science is about" and more "Have you heard about this Intelligent Design thing?"

I think the Christian persecution complex on SH was formed after a long string of shitty posters being really happy when bad things happened to religious people (Znk666...), and although that fevor has died down people still think it exists. Kind of like Communism.

[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;39266679]He's probably trying to say we shouldn't fully believe it. I agree with him. One of the major perks that scientific theories have over religious texts is that theories are both updated and expanded constantly. If that weren't the case, then we would be still be using Freudian psychology.[/QUOTE] We should believe it, until someone disproves it. If there's no argument against it, it's "proven" in a scientific context (afaik). And we're still researching evolution, it's not like everyone stopped after it was accepted as fact. If something comes up, we'll know it.

I don't see what the big deal is. The kids should have a right to their own choices in life. Be it theism or atheism.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39266823]We should believe it, until someone disproves it. If there's no argument against it, it's "proven" in a scientific context (afaik). And we're still researching evolution, it's not like everyone stopped after it was accepted as fact. If something comes up, we'll know it.[/QUOTE] No it's a scientific theory* when all available valid evidence indicates that the theory is the most likely explanation. It is then assumed to be true until evidence shows otherwise. *theory doesn't mean 'idea', unlike what theists trying to debunk evolution might tell you

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39265243]And could you provide 10 examples of this that I cannot debunk?[/QUOTE] The Flood, Jericho, pretty much all of Joshua's conquests, the firstborn plague, David and Bathsheba's infant son, etc. Just look at the Old Testament and see how many times they mentioned slaughtering all the men, women, and children in the cities they conquer as a direct order from God. [editline]19th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;39266679]He's probably trying to say we shouldn't fully believe it. I agree with him. One of the major perks that scientific theories have over religious texts is that theories are both updated and expanded constantly. If that weren't the case, then we would be still be using Freudian psychology.[/QUOTE] No. We might as well be doubting gravity if we are doubting evolution like that. We shouldn't fully believe in anything, yeah, but there's enough evidence to consider it true for all intents and purposes. There's a reason creationists are not being taken seriously. They spew the same arguments over and over again which are shot down every time a creationist group manages to get into court. If there are scientists with evidence for creationism or casting doubt on evolution, then publish a paper on it instead of being interviewed by hacks like Ben Stein.

While Christian myself, putting bibles in a public school is only inviting some dumbass antitheist group to tag along From what it seems I think this is actually the Gideons doing it? They're the only group I know that hands out bibles for free but I've never seen them do a school. They don't exactly have an agenda like many people here think.

[QUOTE=sambooo;39267069]No it's a scientific theory* when all available valid evidence indicates that the theory is the most likely explanation. It is then assumed to be true until evidence shows otherwise. *theory doesn't mean 'idea', unlike what theists trying to debunk evolution might tell you[/QUOTE] I know theory doesn't mean "idea", and reading your post I can remember hearing that. [editline]18th January 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=BFG9000;39267265]While Christian myself, putting bibles in a public school is only inviting some dumbass antitheist group to tag along From what it seems I think this is actually the Gideons doing it? They're the only group I know that hands out bibles for free but I've never seen them do a school. They don't exactly have an agenda like many people here think.[/QUOTE] I think your discourse is pretty clear. How are they dumbasses for threatening to do the same thing, should the law persist? Last time it was called "protesting", I think.

[QUOTE=BFG9000;39267265]They don't exactly have an agenda like many people here think.[/QUOTE] ...Don't all religious organizations by their very nature have an agenda? The point of a religion is a specific moral code.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;39267270]I know theory doesn't mean "idea", and reading your post I can remember hearing that. [editline]18th January 2013[/editline] I think your discourse is pretty clear. How are they dumbasses for threatening to do the same thing, should the law persist? Last time it was called "protesting", I think.[/QUOTE] Sorry, the theory note wasn't for you, it was just a preemptive 'stop talking about shit you don't know' to anyone who might question it.

[QUOTE=sambooo;39267854]Sorry, the theory note wasn't for you, it was just a preemptive 'stop talking about shit you don't know' to anyone who might question it.[/QUOTE] Didn't take it personal anyway, it's cool.

[QUOTE=Milkdairy;39264679]I doubt many of you have even read the bible, or the fact that you ever intend to. Does this not contradict everyone's claims of indoctrination if they themselves are indoctrinated into an antitheist circlejerk band wagon?? Your opnions are worth as much as some foreigner commenting on a situation they don't even know the corcumstances of if you can't bring yourself to hear your opposition's texts too. [editline]18th January 2013[/editline] fuck spelling[/QUOTE] It seems like they oppose putting [I]either[/I] in the school, and are only going to go through with it as a last resort if the policy is not changed.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;39258675]Seriously? That sounds rather petty.[/QUOTE] That includes their own group, they'd rather keep schools free from out side influence then to allow the potential for competing groups trying to force easily manipulable students to see things their way