Atheist group to distribute books in schools after bibles were allowed. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39276180]I am, actually. The chemicals, in that ocean, would literally dissolve away. And the population thing actually is true, believe it or not.[/QUOTE] Oh my. This is funny. Are you a Poe? Actually, if this is real it's very depressing.

Why are you guys denying that this is for conversionary purposes? It's [I]always[/I] why they give bibles out to schools. It's not the same thing as a Bible hidden in the nightstand at a hotel, guys. Like, do you guys live in some magic buffer zone where the topic of religion never touches you ever? It's a pretty big issue in California. There's a lot of discrimination against non-Christians, but thankfully the Christians are mostly a minority. Except that they own most of the businesses.

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39265617]Evolution is starting to become "in doubt" by many scientists world-wide. The only reason why most of the never come forward is because they fear for their jobs; a few years ago a worker at NASA got fired after being forced to "shut up" (for lack of better term) after talking to workmates about Creationism and such. I suggest you watch "eXpelled" for a better understanding than I can provide you with.[/QUOTE] If evolution ever becomes doubtful (Which it isn't) I'm pretty sure the next logical step won't be to assume 'A space wizard did it.'

[QUOTE=EpicRandomnes;39275850]Bunch of bullshit...[/QUOTE] It's like watching someone trying to shoot down an airplane with a slingshot.

Why the fuck is there a debate? There was a legislation that allowed groups to post litterature, two opposing groups posted litterature. Where exactly along those lines did the confusion occur?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;39272307]Because atheists did something. The context doesn't matter, exactly what they did doesn't matter. If atheists do anything and it's reported, people will call them aggressive and confrontational and other such nonsense.[/QUOTE] my favourite instance of that was probably [url=http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1204145]this thread[/url] ~90 people immediately agree with a post calling them annoying and 47 with a post calling them assholes, before someone points out the obvious: the fact that the sponsoring was completely voluntary and was taken all in good heart

[QUOTE=Daniel M;39260004]Also I would like to oppose the idea that these students are smart enough to make their own decisions, we're talking about [b]ORANGE FUCKING COUNTY[/b] where 80% of the population are just spoiled little cunts that use Facebook and Twitter all day. [t]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_CnOJ-1rJbh4/TUrWZptb2DI/AAAAAAAAACw/HJ6ykLc_dA0/s1600/Boston-Globe-Kids-Playing-with-iPhone-2.png[/t] Picture related.[/QUOTE] We all think you're a cunt too, Mr. Generalizations.

The only thing about this is that I find the idea of atheist recruiting so odd. [editline]20th January 2013[/editline] I understand someone of a religion trying to recruit or show people that they're there, they're a religious group - and so what if some people join? Good for them. But atheism isn't a group or community of any sort really :v:

[QUOTE=Turnips5;39283945]my favourite instance of that was probably [url=http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1204145]this thread[/url] ~90 people immediately agree with a post calling them annoying and 47 with a post calling them assholes, before someone points out the obvious: the fact that the sponsoring was completely voluntary and was taken all in good heart[/QUOTE] And yet the second theres a thread about faith healing parents killing a kid, murder is suddenly a moral gray area, and anyone who gets angry with the person for killing their goddamn son over somthing so fucking stupid should just "go be edgy in r/atheism lol". its like people are trying so hard not to look like assholes towards religious people that they have actively started being predudiced towards athiests- and to be honest- athiests dont need any more shit and bad press for not beliving in anything than they already get.

There's Religious people, and then there are fundamentalists. Those folks are absolute whack jobs.

Yes i know, i was pointing out how somebody can do somthing absoulutely batshit mad becuase of their religion (and also likely a few mental health issues) and its treated like a delicate issue, but the second an atheist group does somthing perfectly reasonable everyone treats atheism like some kind of club for obnoxious jackasses.

This thread isn't really focusing on the original story anymore.

why do you even need a book for atheism? It is literally you don't believe in a religion, how do you need something to teach you that?

[QUOTE=kooper44;39287057]why do you even need a book for atheism? It is literally you don't believe in a religion, how do you need something to teach you that?[/QUOTE] The point of the book/pamphlet will be to kick start the logical process where you say, "If God's all powerful and benevolent then why does he let his supposed greatest creation suffer from such horrors as genocide and natural disasters?" It's less about joining some sort of club as it is to instigate leaving another.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;39287086]The point of the book/pamphlet will be to kick start the logical process where you say, "If God's all powerful and benevolent then why does he let his supposed greatest creation suffer from such horrors as genocide and natural disasters?" It's less about joining some sort of club as it is to instigate leaving another.[/QUOTE] Why would you feel the need to keep people away from religion though. Who cares if a few people find that they want to become christians? [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] It's not like you're part of an active group who needs to recruit and try to keep people in your organization.

Because it's good to get people to think critically about their beliefs and stances on subjects?

Becuase these kids arent deciding to become christians, they are being told christianity is true. now, at the risk of offending somebody, im going to just put it frankly. What they are teaching these children isnt remotely true. It is a matter of faith. You cannot teach young impressionable minds that made up stories are fact, and then encourage them to disreguard reality and persuit of further knowlage in favor of afformentioned stories. if these children chose to do so on their own, i would understand and respect that choice- but they are being brainwashed in this instance. think of it this way, if a bunch of holocaust deniers got permission to teach children the holocaust never occured, this would cause universal outrage, why should it be treated so differently when the misinformation of children is about magic and gods?

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;39295215]Why would you feel the need to keep people away from religion though. Who cares if a few people find that they want to become christians? [editline]21st January 2013[/editline] It's not like you're part of an active group who needs to recruit and try to keep people in your organization.[/QUOTE] Nobody's trying to keep them away, they're trying to get people to question things that they always thought were fact and to take a look at the same subject from other viewpoints.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;39296874]Nobody's trying to keep them away, they're trying to get people to question things that they always thought were fact and to take a look at the same subject from other viewpoints.[/QUOTE] I doubt they don't already do that.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;39284681]The only thing about this is that I find the idea of atheist recruiting so odd. [editline]20th January 2013[/editline] I understand someone of a religion trying to recruit or show people that they're there, they're a religious group - and so what if some people join? Good for them. But atheism isn't a group or community of any sort really :v:[/QUOTE] Atheists don't recruit, they merely challenge religious "facts" and let people think about it. [QUOTE=MrJazzy;39296946]I doubt they don't already do that.[/QUOTE] You realize several states teach "Intelligent Design" in the same science/biology classes as Evolution, right? As if these two theories are competing on anything close to even ground.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;39296946]I doubt they don't already do that.[/QUOTE] Have you ever met a creationist?

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;39296946]I doubt they don't already do that.[/QUOTE] You seriously underestimate the bounds of human ignorance. I'd be willing to wager at least 20% of people pick a side, and ignore any counterarguments in most of what they do. And depending on where you live, that number could be VERY generous. Gay marriage is a topic that is a prime example of this, no matter how many times the question "How does gay marriage make your life any different?" is posed, and is never answered, people continue to despise homosexuality anyways.

I remember this one time when me and my friends were in the forest messing around with our bikes. Suddenly from nowhere this really pushy christian guy comes over and starts trying to convert us. He gave us really cheesy religious comics and wouldn't leave until we looked at them. We threw them out as soon as he left.

[QUOTE=sHiBaN;39258643]Oh you cunts. The Bible has societal, cultural and historical significance and hence requires a look-over even though you may not agree with the contents. Distributing propaganda like that is just a douche move imo; its not like the students aren't smart enough to make their owned damned decisions[/QUOTE] So distributing a Bible is not a form of propaganda?

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;39297850]You seriously underestimate the bounds of human ignorance. I'd be willing to wager at least 20% of people pick a side, and ignore any counterarguments in most of what they do. And depending on where you live, that number could be VERY generous. Gay marriage is a topic that is a prime example of this, no matter how many times the question "How does gay marriage make your life any different?" is posed, and is never answered, people continue to despise homosexuality anyways.[/QUOTE] If everybody used rational and logical thinking based on scientific data and methods nobody would be religious. I guess it's good if they do indeed teach them to be open minded and stuff, and as long as it's about fighting the mindset of things such as that gay marriage is wrong etc, I'm all for it - though I don't think you should actively fight religion itself with science.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;39300166]If everybody used rational and logical thinking based on scientific data and methods nobody would be religious.[/QUOTE] well, that depends how far you're willing to apply your logic. some people are perfectly competent scientists/mathematicians/logicians but they neglect to apply those thought processes to their religion, something which Stephen Jay Gould calls [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-overlapping_magisteria"]Non-overlapping Magisteria[/URL] [sub]imo it's a massive cop out and when I tried to do it as a catholic it resulted in massive, unshakable cognitive dissonance but what fucking ever who gives a shit[/sub]

[QUOTE=Turnips5;39304207]well, that depends how far you're willing to apply your logic. some people are perfectly competent scientists/mathematicians/logicians but they neglect to apply those thought processes to their religion, something which Stephen Jay Gould calls [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-overlapping_magisteria"]Non-overlapping Magisteria[/URL] [sub]imo it's a massive cop out and when I tried to do it as a catholic it resulted in massive, unshakable cognitive dissonance but what fucking ever who gives a shit[/sub][/QUOTE] Yeah that's what I mean, nobody uses logic when thinking of their religion, and why should they, that's not the point anyway :v:

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;39304830]Yeah that's what I mean, nobody uses logic when thinking of their religion, and why should they, that's not the point anyway :v:[/QUOTE] I would reckon a lot of people quite like their thought processes to be consistent.