• Elementary school students forced to draw 9/11 attacks on world trade center, mother claims
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[QUOTE=Primigenes;37655759]Yeah I guess bombing a country to end hostilities is the same as attack one to start some. Also who the fuck knows why "some" Japanese don't talk about Hiroshima. Maybe its for the same reason they don't fucking talk about Unit 731.Stop fucking comparing casualties you nerd Your shitty strawman comparisons are stupid. Fuck at least compare this to like bombing Hanoi Like I swear everyone who mentions WW2 to debunk or refute 9/11 arguments has probably like failed history[/QUOTE] If you want to talk about the differences between the attacks, I will gladly have a private debate some other time with you about why the nuclear bombing of Japan was not necessary to win WW2. And why even if it was, there is not really much of a difference. You talk about unit 731 as if America hasn't had its fair share of war crimes too. And make a comparison about talking about it completely illogically.
[QUOTE=Primigenes;37655759]Yeah I guess bombing a country to end hostilities is the same as attack one to start some. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=net;37655746]and theres a difference between ending a war and getting attacked by terrorists.[/QUOTE] We shouldn't be trivializing Nagasaki and Hiroshima either. Yes, it was necessary to end the war but thousands upon thousands of innocent people still died in a horrific way.
[QUOTE=Meladath;37655506]This is such a shame. What an idiotic teacher to do something like that, and make kids draw that stuff. They should be fired, spreading more propaganda and fear... and to kids that weren't even alive when this happened. On another note (incoming flame) [sp]I wish Americans would please start to shut up about the 9/11 attacks and everything related to them, all it does is cause grief and bring up bad memories and scare people. America NUKED Japan TWICE and pretty much devastated 60% of their entire country, people still have mutation in their genes from it today, but you don't here them talking about it and spreading it absolutely everywhere they go every single anniversary do you? Pretty sure blowing up two buildings, with a few thousand casualties isn't much compared to that.[/sp][/QUOTE] We nuked two major military industrial centers to prevent a larger amount of deaths that would have occurred if we invaded.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;37655687]You guys really need to let 9/11 go, sure keep doing rememberance services and all that, but the way the entire country switches into 9/11 mode every september really needs to stop.[/QUOTE] It's sad really, people only care when they're told to care, or when they feel it will make them fit in with their friends who mourn it before them.
[QUOTE=Meladath;37655814]*Spaghetti's first debate*[/QUOTE] Stop. You're either trolling or stupid. Either way, just stop.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;37655687]You guys really need to let 9/11 go, sure keep doing rememberance services and all that, but the way the entire country switches into 9/11 mode every september really needs to stop.[/QUOTE] This is such bullshit, maybe last year, because it was the 10th anniversary everyone stopped and said "Wow, its really be ten years" and there was more conversation about it but its not like that every year. This past Tuesday, no one talked about it. There were no signs/announcements/statements at my university. It wasn't mentioned in any classes, none of my friends/classmates brought it up. Only on FP did I find people mentioning it. You just think that because you pull up CNN.com and they have 2 articles about 9/11, that the entire country is obsessed with it. You don't live here, you just see what you can through the media. Nobody talks about it as much as you think we do. And just the other day, I talked with an Australian who was convinced 9/11 was a holiday or celebration, like we all have the day off and we fucking have a cookout every 9/11 or something. It's retarded.
I remember having to do this in grade 3 for my daily journal entry, in retrospect it was kind of weird.
Well now they're definitely not going to forget about 9/11
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;37656002]This is such bullshit, maybe last year, because it was the 10th anniversary everyone stopped and said "Wow, its really be ten years" and there was more conversation about it but its not like that every year. This past Tuesday, no one talked about it. There were no signs/announcements/statements at my university. It wasn't mentioned in any classes, none of my friends/classmates brought it up. Only on FP did I find people mentioning it. You just think that because you pull up CNN.com and they have 2 articles about 9/11, that the entire country is obsessed with it. You don't live here, you just see what you can through the media. Nobody talks about it as much as you think we do. And just the other day, I talked with an Australian who was convinced 9/11 was a holiday or celebration, like we all have the day off and we fucking have a cookout every 9/11 or something. It's retarded.[/QUOTE] I agree with this... No one I know talked about it or brought it up. It wasn't until 9/12 that I realized that it had been 9/11. We really aren't all just waiting for 9/11 like Christmas. No celebrations happen, no one talks about it for months, none of that. Last year it was a big deal because it was 10 years. Other than that, nothing has been said about it.
I remember hearing something very, very similar a couple years back
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;37656046]I remember having to do this in grade 3 for my daily journal entry, in retrospect it was kind of weird.[/QUOTE] Wait... You did 9/11 thing for 3rd grade? Now I feel old.
[QUOTE=Meladath;37655506]This is such a shame. What an idiotic teacher to do something like that, and make kids draw that stuff. They should be fired, spreading more propaganda and fear... and to kids that weren't even alive when this happened. On another note (incoming flame) [sp]I wish Americans would please start to shut up about the 9/11 attacks and everything related to them, all it does is cause grief and bring up bad memories and scare people. America NUKED Japan TWICE and pretty much devastated 60% of their entire country, people still have mutation in their genes from it today, but you don't here them talking about it and spreading it absolutely everywhere they go every single anniversary do you? Pretty sure blowing up two buildings, with a few thousand casualties isn't much compared to that.[/sp][/QUOTE] I actually agree, it's good to commemorate and insruct about it, but I think it's time it'd just be a memorial to a break in smug times. We need another one these days, anyway.
[QUOTE=DesumThePanda;37655587] Pic of one of the drawings [img]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1158916.1347567090!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/lesson14n-2-web.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] oh my god it's like i'm there in person, watching the horrible scene unfold
Funny, I remember on the day I was in Year 2. Our teacher didn't know what to do so she made us all draw it.
[QUOTE=NoobSauce;37655329]That's harsh to do on children.[/QUOTE] I think it's good since it shows what they personally think of the event. By drawing themes related to chaos and unhappiness, they'll know why it was memorable and why most consider it to be a horrific event to occur.
I don't get this.. As a yout I had to draw pictures of what I thought the London blitz was like which killed more people than 9/11 but its part of history and part of learning why people are so sensative to this stuff, drawing pictures of peoples homes blowing up sure as hell made me realise how much of a tragedy it was so how is this different? Sure ww2 was like 70 years ago now but does that really mean we should be forced to grieve until like 10 years in the future where it's all cool to speak and learn about 9/11? Maybe it's because I'm not American but I dunno it seems like people are taking the whole feeling bad about 9/11 thing to a next level [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] Just to add as a little 10 year old when this happened we saw it all on tv, the people jumpin out of the building and the planes hitting. So when people sy it's too disturbing to tell to kids, it's not. They need to learn that these things are tradegys and letting their imagination teach them is perhaps the best way
It's funny because this is exactly what the terrorists wanted. They left a nation in fear for YEARS and it still hasn't quieted down.
Atleast they're learning about it. My 9 year old sister doesn't even know what 9/11 is.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;37655687]You guys really need to let 9/11 go, sure keep doing rememberance services and all that, but the way the entire country switches into 9/11 mode every september really needs to stop.[/QUOTE] Why did you post this? How is this relevant to the article? [editline]13th September 2012[/editline] [quote] Gremillion, whose husband is in the military and is set to go to Afghanistan in the next few months, says her daughter is now convinced he’s going to die because the teacher told the class that “the Afghans did this because they hate all of us and they want to kill all of us.”[/quote] This is the worst part IMO. Indoctrination at its worst, at a young age from an authority figure who is supposed to teach you the truth. [editline]13th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=TheSporeGA;37656676]It's funny because this is exactly what the terrorists wanted. They left a nation in fear for YEARS and it still hasn't quieted down.[/QUOTE] Where do you live where people still talk about it? There was only one mention of it this year, when some girl in one of my classes said "Oh I forgot it's 9/11 today."
[QUOTE=King Tiger;37656793] Where do you live where people still talk about it? There was only one mention of it this year, when some girl in one of my classes said "Oh I forgot it's 9/11 today."[/QUOTE] The thread you're on is an example.
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;37656980]The thread you're on is an example.[/QUOTE] How so? This thread is about a disturbed teacher who is indoctrinating her students about the War in Afghanistan and is making them complete disturbing assignments in class. Then a foreigner came in and mentioned how he "wish(ed) Americans would please start to shut up about the 9/11 attacks and everything related to them" for some reason. Nobody in the thread prior to him had discussed 9/11.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;37656002]This is such bullshit, maybe last year, because it was the 10th anniversary everyone stopped and said "Wow, its really be ten years" and there was more conversation about it but its not like that every year. This past Tuesday, no one talked about it. There were no signs/announcements/statements at my university. It wasn't mentioned in any classes, none of my friends/classmates brought it up. Only on FP did I find people mentioning it. You just think that because you pull up CNN.com and they have 2 articles about 9/11, that the entire country is obsessed with it. You don't live here, you just see what you can through the media. Nobody talks about it as much as you think we do. And just the other day, I talked with an Australian who was convinced 9/11 was a holiday or celebration, like we all have the day off and we fucking have a cookout every 9/11 or something. It's retarded.[/QUOTE] I checked my facebook on Tuesday and had a dozen or more pictures relating to 9/11 to hide. Not to mention, a couple other websites, not FP, brought it up in the standard "where were you when.." post.
[QUOTE=TheSporeGA;37656980]The thread you're on is an example.[/QUOTE] You do realize that Facepunch is not even halfway American or anywhere else that you insist 'wont let 9/11 go'?
[QUOTE=SadisticGecko;37657156]I checked my facebook on Tuesday and had a dozen or more pictures relating to 9/11 to hide. Not to mention, a couple other websites, not FP, brought it up in the standard "where were you when.." post.[/QUOTE] Well considering Tuesday was actually 9/11 of course people are going to be talking about it on some level. I did see a lot of things on Facebook, pictures and what not, but on a personnel level I didn't hear anything. If it wasn't for me noticing it was 9/10 the day before I honestly wouldn't have had any idea what day it was.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;37655687]You guys really need to let 9/11 go, sure keep doing rememberance services and all that, but the way the entire country switches into 9/11 mode every september really needs to stop.[/QUOTE] it is so wrong to remember a tragic event the month it happens. would you prefer we celebrate it, say, may? a whole lot fuck more logical isn't it
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;37657236]Well considering Tuesday was actually 9/11 of course people are going to be talking about it on some level. I did see a lot of things on Facebook, pictures and what not, but on a personnel level I didn't hear anything. If it wasn't for me noticing it was 9/10 the day before I honestly wouldn't have had any idea what day it was.[/QUOTE] I had Organic Chem that day and I admittedly didn't hear anything, but I pretty much ignore the other students while waiting for class anyway. Primarily because of the two nurses who bitch about patients and make me hope I never go to their hospitals for care.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37655859]We nuked two major military industrial centers to prevent a larger amount of deaths that would have occurred if we invaded.[/QUOTE] [quote]By the end of January 1945, the Japanese were suggesting peace terms.[22] These proposals, sent through both British and American channels, were assembled by General Douglas MacArthur into a 40-page dossier and given to President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 2, two days before the Yalta Conference. Reportedly, the dossier was dismissed by Roosevelt out of hand—the proposals all included the condition that the emperor's position would be assured, if possibly as a puppet ruler; at this point the Allied policy was to accept only an unconditional surrender.[23] Additionally, these proposals were strongly opposed by powerful military members of the Japanese government.[24][/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan#Divisions_within_the_Japanese_leadership[/url] japan was already preparing for surrender but we ignored their attempts to make peace so we could see what kind of pretty colors our new weaponry would make if we dropped it on a city full of civilians and watched their skin bubble [quote]According to the US Department of Energy the immediate effects of the blast killed approximately 70,000 people in Hiroshima.[74] Estimates of total deaths by the end of 1945 from burns, radiation and related disease, the effects of which were aggravated by lack of medical resources, range from 90,000 to 166,000.[1][75] Some estimates state up to 200,000 had died by 1950, due to cancer and other long-term effects.[76] Another study states that from 1950 to 2000, 46% of leukemia deaths and 11% of solid cancer deaths among bomb survivors were due to radiation from the bombs, the statistical excess being estimated to 200 leukemia and 1700 solid cancers.[77] At least eleven known prisoners of war died from the bombing.[78][/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Post-attack_casualties[/url] 200k people were killed in a field test for the world's most powerful weapon [quote]It was one of several Japanese cities left deliberately untouched by American bombing, allowing a pristine environment to measure the damage caused by the atomic bomb[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Hiroshima_during_World_War_II[/url] we left hiroshima alone temporarily so we could have a clean slate to test our new toy on a fresh and unknowing population, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki]most of which were civilians[/url].
Hard to believe I was in high school watching all of 9/11 unfold live, and now the same children that didn't even exist when it happened are kicking my ass in online games [editline]13th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;37657398][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan#Divisions_within_the_Japanese_leadership[/url] japan was already preparing for surrender but we ignored their attempts to make peace so we could see what kind of pretty colors our new weaponry would make if we dropped it on a city full of civilians and watched their skin bubble [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Post-attack_casualties[/url] 200k people were killed in a field test for the world's most powerful weapon [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Hiroshima_during_World_War_II[/url] we left hiroshima alone temporarily so we could have a clean slate to test our new toy on a fresh and unknowing population, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki]most of which were civilians[/url].[/QUOTE] They weren't preparing to surrender or else they would have when we gave them the option before dropping the first bomb, and then again before the second
[QUOTE=TheTalon;37657647]Hard to believe I was in high school watching all of 9/11 unfold live, and now the same children that didn't even exist when it happened are kicking my ass in online games [editline]13th September 2012[/editline] They weren't preparing to surrender or else they would have when we gave them the option before dropping the first bomb, and then again before the second[/QUOTE] is your logic seriously that the attempted surrender by japan before the bombings was fabricated because america is too merciful to just bomb them without warning?
Only thing I remember about 9/11 is that I was sleeping in class I got pissed about 9/11 cause I'm black and somehow being black means I'm from New York (and for that one year I accepted being confused with someone from Jamaica even though I'm from the Virgin Islands) Did the teacher went about this wrong, Fuck yes, did the kids need to be reminded about 9/11, maybe not. I mean I left Highschool back in 2007 and we got the newest issue of our history books which had 9/11 in it.
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