• Elementary school students forced to draw 9/11 attacks on world trade center, mother claims
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;37657398][URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan#Divisions_within_the_Japanese_leadership[/URL] japan was already preparing for surrender but we ignored their attempts to make peace so we could see what kind of pretty colors our new weaponry would make if we dropped it on a city full of civilians and watched their skin bubble [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Post-attack_casualties[/URL] 200k people were killed in a field test for the world's most powerful weapon [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Hiroshima_during_World_War_II[/URL] we left hiroshima alone temporarily so we could have a clean slate to test our new toy on a fresh and unknowing population, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki"]most of which were civilians[/URL].[/QUOTE] [quote][23] Additionally, these proposals were strongly opposed by powerful military members of the Japanese government.[24][/quote] Military members, as in the same military commanders who would be the ones to approve a surrender, given that they, you know, controlled Japan's military forces. A bad reader is you! Also, I'm guessing you just do not understand the meaning of the phrase "We will fight to the last man, woman and child."
This 9/11 stuff is getting old. Can't wait for people to just forget it and move on like everyone else in the world. 9/11 was just an event, just like my country and their morning a year of remembrance for an WWI event, but this 9/11 thing carries on a bit to long and gets taken too seriously, as proved by this thread itself.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;37658044]Military members, as in the same military commanders who would be the ones to approve a surrender, given that they, you know, controlled Japan's military forces. A bad reader is you! Also, I'm guessing you just do not understand the meaning of the phrase "We will fight to the last man, woman and child."[/QUOTE] The Japanese government was split, you can't ignore that.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;37658044]Military members, as in the same military commanders who would be the ones to approve a surrender, given that they, you know, controlled Japan's military forces. A bad reader is you![/QUOTE] they surrendered anyway so this is a moot point
[QUOTE=Boilrig;37658047]This 9/11 stuff is getting old. Can't wait for people to just forget it and move on like everyone else in the world. 9/11 was just an event, just like my country and their morning a year of remembrance for an WWI event, but this 9/11 thing carries on a bit to long and gets taken too seriously, as proved by this thread itself.[/QUOTE] A sadistic teacher did this so therefore everyone is overblowing 9/11.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;37658047]This 9/11 stuff is getting old. Can't wait for people to just forget it and move on like everyone else in the world. 9/11 was just an event, just like my country and their morning a year of remembrance for an WWI event, but this 9/11 thing carries on a bit to long and gets taken too seriously, as proved by this thread itself.[/QUOTE] are you really that stupid it's just an EVENT? taken too seriously? yeah try explaining that to people who have lost their family is that building. i 100% guarantee you would not be saying shit if you were one of those people. you know, you're right, we'll get over it, a few thousands civilian casualties is nothing, let's forget about it okay guys?
[QUOTE=Strongbad;37658044]Military members, as in the same military commanders who would be the ones to approve a surrender, given that they, you know, controlled Japan's military forces. A bad reader is you! Also, I'm guessing you just do not understand the meaning of the phrase "We will fight to the last man, woman and child."[/QUOTE] powerful military members don't control the entirety of the japanese government. the japanese sent americans a possible negotiation and it was dropped outright, which means even if the japanese weren't considering surrender (they were), the USA wasn't interested in it either way. they were going to drop the bombs surrender or not. not to mention you could have just had the soviets invade and spare them the bombing which would have certainly tipped them over the edge from their already exhausted and precarious position on surrender, but instead we chose to bomb them and not even consider their negotiation attempts. i would sarcastically end this post with "a bad reader is you" but even sarcastically i can't bring myself to use shitty memes like that [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] not to mention they surrendered in the end so the whole "but the military wouldn't let them! last woman last child!!" thing is bullshit
[QUOTE=DesumThePanda;37655587]there's showing a short 5 minute clip in history/social studies class with maybe 5 minutes of discussion on 9/11, but forcing them to draw the disaster itself? that's fucking dumb Pic of one of the drawings [img]http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1158916.1347567090!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/lesson14n-2-web.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I want maddox to review this
Pretty sensationist-ly written, but that's not right. Nothing wrong with educating kids on 9/11 or even making them draw it, but the misconceptions that the kids had afterwards are worrisome. Especially the girl saying all Afghans want to kill us.
[QUOTE=PyroCraz3d;37658114]are you really that stupid it's just an EVENT? taken too seriously? yeah try explaining that to people who have lost their family is that building. i 100% guarantee you would not be saying shit if you were one of those people. you know, you're right, we'll get over it, a few thousands civilian casualties is nothing, let's forget about it okay guys?[/QUOTE] Considering that the amount of time humans have existed on this earth, I would call it an event. And yes, we would get over it, how else do you move forward? You will always remember it, but one day it will just be an event you remember from a long time ago. Might take a while, but it will happen eventually.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;37657214]You do realize that Facepunch is not even halfway American or anywhere else that you insist 'wont let 9/11 go'?[/QUOTE] With a very, very rough estimate based off of traffic to my title, Facepunch is definitely half American, if not slightly more. [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12024286/Wait%20what.PNG[/img]
[QUOTE=Boilrig;37658198]Considering that the amount of time humans have existed on this earth, I would call it an event. And yes, we would get over it, how else do you move forward? You will always remember it, but one day it will just be an event you remember from a long time ago. Might take a while, but it will happen eventually.[/QUOTE] that's like asking somebody to completely erase any memories of their deceased family member from their mind. ACTUALLY, it's 100% that. considering you don't even live in america, obviously it doesn't effect you whatsoever and arguing with you about it is redundant. it doesn't matter if it's an event, if it affected you personally than damn right if i'm forgetting about it.
[QUOTE=PyroCraz3d;37658415]that's like asking somebody to completely erase any memories of their deceased family member from their mind. ACTUALLY, it's 100% that. considering you don't even live in america, obviously it doesn't effect you whatsoever and arguing with you about it is redundant. it doesn't matter if it's an event, if it affected you personally than damn right if i'm forgetting about it.[/QUOTE] I did say 'You will always remember it' but it will be 'an event you remember from a long time ago'. Funny how people think that 9/11 affects only Americans, considering that there are like 196 countries in the world, and from those 196 countries, I'm sure there are those who are not American or not related in anyway towards 9/11, still feel bad over it.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;37658217]With a very, very rough estimate based off of traffic to my title, Facepunch is definitely half American, if not slightly more. imghere[/QUOTE] You tricked me into clicking your title... what the fuck.
[QUOTE=Keegs;37658839]You tricked me into clicking your title... what the fuck.[/QUOTE] I didn't trick you at all, I never even suggested attempting to click it. At the bottom, below the image, I have an IP logging world map. If you click it, you get graphs and shit.
[QUOTE]Gremillion, whose husband is in the military and is set to go to Afghanistan in the next few months, says her daughter is now convinced he’s going to die because the teacher told the class that “the Afghans did this because they hate all of us and they want to kill all of us.”[/QUOTE] Oh my god the teacher is racist too [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] Ohp late. STILL THIS IS STUPID
Stupid parents not teaching kids to not believe eerything,now when idiot tells them something they get scared. People are becoming too frail. And what,two buildings collapsed and some people died,worse has happened.
[QUOTE=Meladath;37655621]You missed off the "compared to that" part referring to the nukes. Yeah, pretty sure 150k-250k deaths (excluding injuries and mutation caused by the nukes) is a few more than 3k deaths and 6k+ injured. Also nice way of taking my words out of context.[/QUOTE] "Beep boop I just calculated that your grief is illogical beep boop" - Meladath
MERICA!!!
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37657398][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan#Divisions_within_the_Japanese_leadership[/url] japan was already preparing for surrender but we ignored their attempts to make peace so we could see what kind of pretty colors our new weaponry would make if we dropped it on a city full of civilians and watched their skin bubble [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Post-attack_casualties[/url] 200k people were killed in a field test for the world's most powerful weapon [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Hiroshima_during_World_War_II[/url] we left hiroshima alone temporarily so we could have a clean slate to test our new toy on a fresh and unknowing population, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki]most of which were civilians[/url].[/QUOTE] Of course let us forget [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_the_United_States[/url] because obviously America had not practiced enough and wanted to kill civilians.
They were forced? Man, that's terrible. When I was 10 and first learned of the attack on world trade center, we were more than willing to voluntarily draw pictures of explosions and people jumping out of buildings :v:
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37657398][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan#Divisions_within_the_Japanese_leadership[/url] japan was already preparing for surrender but we ignored their attempts to make peace so we could see what kind of pretty colors our new weaponry would make if we dropped it on a city full of civilians and watched their skin bubble [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Post-attack_casualties[/url] 200k people were killed in a field test for the world's most powerful weapon [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Hiroshima_during_World_War_II[/url] we left hiroshima alone temporarily so we could have a clean slate to test our new toy on a fresh and unknowing population, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki]most of which were civilians[/url].[/QUOTE] actually i'm not seeing the whole "japan wanted to surrender but america said no you die" i mean putting aside the fact there were repeated divisions in the japanese leadership about under what terms the war would end, particularly over elements such as prosecution of war criminals, military occupation, demilitarisation and the imperial government system; furthermore, the japanese rejection of the potsdam declaration seemed, judging from suzuki's final comment, a notice that japan was willing to keep fighting until they could get better conditions. hence, the honest question is - should the allies have granted japan conditional surrender, as opposed to slaying 200,000 people and gaining unconditional surrender? this raises further questions - what conditions would japan actually have accepted (because i haven't seen so far any actual japanese counter-offers, merely serious dissent within the japanese hierachy followed by flat rejection of allied terms)? hence, what alternative position would this have left the allies (and probably the soviets) in - to keep brawling it out with japanese armed forces in an island-hopping strategy? after some of the terrible incidents to date (e.g. mass suicides by japanese civilians after losing the Battle of Okinawa), was this feasible? now i'm not trying to pass iron judgement here that the nuclear attacks were a good thing, i'm just saying the situation seems awfully more complicated than "america decided to kill 200,000 people simply to test a weapon"
[QUOTE=Kopimi;37658120]not to mention they surrendered in the end so the whole "but the military wouldn't let them! last woman last child!!" thing is bullshit[/QUOTE] uh this doesn't make sense there's a difference between "we won't surrender, we'll fight them as they come to us to the last man woman and child" and "oh fuck they completely leveled 2 of our cities, we didn't think the war would be like this" [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] the japanese were expecting a conventional invasion of the home islands not a perfect instrument of death dropped upon them, it managed to trump their overconfidence like nothing else would
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37660916]Of course let us forget [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_the_United_States[/url] because obviously America had not practiced enough and wanted to kill civilians.[/QUOTE] They, uh, dropped two bombs on cities filled with citizens. I'm sorry, what exactly are you trying to prove here? That after killing about 300,000 civilians that they didn't want to kill civilians? Pinkpanzer, why do you still post. and I mean that sincerely, it's clear you're not very good at it and normally I'd give you points for effort but you have no effort. [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;37662783]uh this doesn't make sense there's a difference between "we won't surrender, we'll fight them as they come to us to the last man woman and child" and "oh fuck they completely leveled 2 of our cities, we didn't think the war would be like this" [editline]14th September 2012[/editline] the japanese were expecting a conventional invasion of the home islands not a perfect instrument of death dropped upon them, it managed to trump their overconfidence like nothing else would[/QUOTE] Yeah, but they also were severely divided. They were using Soviet channels to appeal a surrender, or did you forget about that. Given time they would have surrendered. Simply saying they would have NEVER budged is stupid.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;37660916]Of course let us forget [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_the_United_States[/url] because obviously America had not practiced enough and wanted to kill civilians.[/QUOTE] a. we had never tested it on an actual city full of actual people. of was a field test for the worlds most powerful weapon. b. even if our previous tests had any relevancy to this (they don't) it doesn't invalidate everything else I posted. give it up
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