12-year-old boy accidentally kills mother's friend at shooting range - Polidicks

[QUOTE=deadoon;42579332] On the subject that he is to young to know the rules, I learned gun safety with a pellet pistol, and could hit the targets across the yard when I was like 6-7.[/QUOTE] That's the issue here, innit? Either no one taught this kid gun safety, or he flat-out ignored it. Pretty much everyone involved are at fault.

[QUOTE=Killuah;42579243]That's 6th grade. You're starting calculus in most schools at that age.[/QUOTE] what kind of fucked up school did you go to where you were learning calculus in 6th grade

[QUOTE=TheLolrus;42579352]That's the issue here, innit? Either no one taught this kid gun safety, or he flat-out ignored it. Pretty much everyone involved are at fault.[/QUOTE] They let someone not knowledgeable with what is around them have access. That is negligence.

[QUOTE=deadoon;42579332] On the subject that he is to young to know the rules, I learned gun safety with a pellet pistol, and could hit the targets across the yard when I was like 6-7. [/QUOTE] Ok, that's cool sorry but unlike you not everyone knows everything about guns when they were fresh outta the womb

[QUOTE=Soldier32;42579406]Ok, that's cool sorry but unlike you not everyone knows everything about guns when they were fresh outta the womb[/QUOTE] Rather than focusing on that part, read the final line. Children aren't blabbering retards, they can learn things very easily and quickly, basic gun safety is a very simple concept. Wherever you point it, you can hurt/injure/kill, so don't point at things you want to keep around. Don't keep your finger on the trigger, because if you flinch you might shoot your foot or something else you didn't intend to.

[QUOTE=Killuah;42579243]That's 6th grade. You're starting calculus in most schools at that age.[/QUOTE] no you're not

12 is old enough to know how dangerous a gun is. Kid is pretty stupid.

[QUOTE=Soldier32;42579406]Ok, that's cool sorry but unlike you not everyone knows everything about guns when they were fresh outta the womb[/QUOTE] It's common sense. This should be instinctual. Kids avoid the edges of knives like the plague, so why is the muzzle of a gun treated so much more carelessly? In fact, usually it isn't. All of the kids who come into my house (friends of my little brother, family members, etc) will not even get near my gun cabinet without me being there. They're mindful of it and careful, and every time they've wanted to look at one they've come and asked me first. When holding them, they avoid the trigger and action and still don't wave them about even after I've checked and told them it's unloaded. As with most obvious things, the average person just "knows" it makes sense not to point a potentially loaded firearm at someone. You'll always get one blowhard who comes along and flouts reason, like this kid, and unfortunately this time someone had to die for it.

[QUOTE=Matthew7434;42579355]what kind of fucked up school did you go to where you were learning calculus in 6th grade[/QUOTE] Germany, apparently :v: 11th grade would be more accurate though, maybe it's a translation error. Germany's school system isn't very centralised though, so I have no idea if there's a difference between regions. [editline]20th October 2013[/editline] The instructor is clearly taking a photo in the video, it's possible she instructed him to pose with the finger on the trigger.

[QUOTE]At some point, the child apparently jokingly took aim at the people in front of him, and pulled the trigger, fatally hitting the family friend in the head and killing him instantly.[/QUOTE] He should be charged with murder.

[QUOTE=draugur;42579149]I knew gun safety by heart before I even had an airsoft gun. Age is no excuse, that's like saying if a kid snuck away from his parent and picked up some money laying on a table at a bank he shouldn't be punished because he's 12. Ignorance of the law isn't a valid excuse.[/QUOTE] It's not a law, it's a rule of gun safety. The two are wildly different. Also the kid probably never learned gun safety, hence why the instructor was there, just because you learned to shoot young does not mean everyone else in the world knows as well. The instructor plays a large role in this.

I wouldn't even pull the trigger of a gun at someone if I knew 100% it wasn't loaded. It's just common sense.

[QUOTE=theVendetta;42579654]He should be charged with murder.[/QUOTE] Makes me think he was some CoD kiddy. The quote about him jokingly aiming at people..

I fired my first gun when I was younger than this child. Before my dad let me even touch the gun he explained to me exactly what to do and what not to do. Then when he let me use it he assured it was pointing away from people (it was just us and my brother, but still) and had it aiming towards the targets he set up. Then before he let me shoot it, he explained in further detail the things I need to be aware of. All in all, this instructor is a complete idiot.

[QUOTE=o DefcoN o;42579692]I wouldn't even pull the trigger of a gun at someone if I knew 100% it wasn't loaded. It's just common sense.[/QUOTE] It doesn't look like he purposefully aimed at the man, and pulled the trigger. People under estimating the force required to pull the trigger, or people playing around with it, like this kid, accidentally pull the trigger.

So much wrong here. 1) Why the fuck did the instructor tell the kid to handle a firearm while people were downrange? 2) Why the fuck did the instructor stand in front of a kid handling a firearm? 3) Why the fuck was the kid not taught proper trigger discipline? 4) Why the fuck was the gun not unloaded when the cease fire was declared? I could keep going all day. The instructor, assuming she was liable for the kid, should face charges. She was incredibly negligent, and it looks like she was the reason the kid even picked the gun up in the first place. The kid could be charged too. Sure it was an accident, put he purposely aimed the gun at the guy. I'm not saying he tried to murder him or intended to hurt anyone at all, I'm sure he wasn't in the slightest, but that man is not going to come back and for all intents and purposes, the kid and the kid alone was the one who aimed and fired. [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=plunger435;42579729]It doesn't look like he purposefully aimed at the man, and pulled the trigger. People under estimating the force required to pull the trigger, or people playing around with it, like this kid, accidentally pull the trigger.[/QUOTE] [quote]At some point, the child apparently jokingly took aim at the people in front of him, and pulled the trigger, fatally hitting the family friend in the head and killing him instantly. Read more at [url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=181_1381820483#Za4otl4RLDV4EXZ4.99[/url][/quote]

[QUOTE=plunger435;42579729]It doesn't look like he purposefully aimed at the man, and pulled the trigger. People under estimating the force required to pull the trigger, or people playing around with it, like this kid, accidentally pull the trigger.[/QUOTE] It said that he jokingly aimed at the man and jokingly pulled the trigger thinking it was unloaded.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;42579799]You don't know what murder is.[/QUOTE] If aiming a gun at someone and intentionally pulling the trigger isn't murder than no.

[QUOTE=theVendetta;42579843]If aiming a gun at someone and intentionally pulling the trigger isn't murder than no.[/QUOTE] You should be charged with murder because you're intentionally posting dumb things and it is killing my brain cells.

[QUOTE=draugur;42579867]You should be charged with murder because you're intentionally posting dumb things and it is killing my brain cells.[/QUOTE] How is what I am posting dumb? A rifle is not a fucking toy, it is a weapon with the sole purpose of killing/destroying things..

[quote]At some point, the child apparently jokingly took aim at the people in front of him, and pulled the trigger, fatally hitting the family friend in the head and killing him instantly.[/quote] I'm not familiar with Russian law on the matter, but that is easily gross negligence manslaughter. I don't know that he needs to do prison time, but he needs to be convicted and saddled with an ungodly amount of community service at least.

[QUOTE=theVendetta;42579843]If aiming a gun at someone and intentionally pulling the trigger isn't murder than no.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder[/url] Did they intend to kill them, the answer is probably no.

[QUOTE=theVendetta;42579882]How is what I am posting dumb? A rifle is not a fucking toy,[b] it is a weapon with the sole purpose of killing/destroying things..[/b][/QUOTE] Please do not start this argument. What you are posting is "dumb" because you seem to think that the world is black and white. Yeah, he aimed at a man and shot. Did the child think he was actually going to kill someone? No. Did the kid mean to kill someone? No. Did the kid go to the firing range with the expressed intent to take a life? Most certainly not. If you are stopped at a red light and for whatever freak of nature reason your foot hits the gas and you run over the person crossing the street in front of you, did you murder that person? No, you didn't. Accidents do happen, and as shitty as it is, people can accidentally take the life of other people. This, however, is not murder, and as such, the kid shouldn't and won't be tried for any degree of murder.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;42579957]If he didn't intend to kill him and had no malicious intent than it is not murder by definition. So yes you are in fact correct with this post that it is not murder.[/QUOTE] You read what he said wrong, he was saying it is murder. He was saying no as a response to not knowing what murder is if the previous statement was correct.

[QUOTE=urbanmonkey;42579966]Please do not start this argument. What you are posting is "dumb" because you seem to think that the world is black and white. Yeah, he aimed at a man and shot. Did the child think he was actually going to kill someone? No. Did the kid mean to kill someone? No. Did the kid go to the firing range with the expressed intent to take a life? Most certainly not. If you are stopped at a red light and for whatever freak of nature reason your foot hits the gas and you run over the person crossing the street in front of you, did you murder that person? No, you didn't. Accidents do happen, and as shitty as it is, people can accidentally take the life of other people. This, however, is not murder, and as such, the kid shouldn't and won't be tried for any degree of murder.[/QUOTE] The thing is, he did kill someone. It shouldn't matter if it was an "accident" or not, he has ended someones life and most likely fucked up a family and he should be charged accordingly.

[QUOTE=theVendetta;42579986]The thing is, he did kill someone. It shouldn't matter if it was an "accident" or not, he has ended someones life and most likely fucked up a family and he should be charged accordingly.[/QUOTE] The fault lies on the instructor, the kid was unknowing of the danger he was dealing with likely and the instructors job is to inform him of that. This is the same reason your boss at the place you work at is liable for injuries that occur on the job and could be prevented. Also, you just fell into what he just noted, black and white thinking.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;42579125]Kid was twelve.[/QUOTE] I knew not to aim a fucking gun at another person regardless of if it was loaded or not when I was twelve. [editline]20th October 2013[/editline] Don't lay the blame on age, because that's just pure bullshit

[QUOTE=Mabus;42579102]Bullshit, you never play around with a weapon especially if you don't know if its loaded or not. These fundamentals should have been drummed into the child before he even went near a firearm.[/QUOTE] Why is it bullshit? Obviously this kid hadn't been taught proper gun safety, that's not his fault :v:

[QUOTE=theVendetta;42579986]The thing is, he did kill someone. It shouldn't matter if it was an "accident" or not, he has ended someones life and most likely fucked up a family and he should be charged accordingly.[/QUOTE] Except he's fucking 12...

[QUOTE=theVendetta;42579986]The thing is, he did kill someone. It shouldn't matter if it was an "accident" or not, he has ended someones life and most likely fucked up a family and he should be charged accordingly.[/QUOTE] Please refer to my statement about the world not being black and white. Because it isn't. It was obviously an accident, there is no reason to punish this kid more when the psychological trauma of knowing he ended someones life is going to be far more than enough. In all honesty, I feel terrible for the kid. This will be the first thing he thinks about in the morning and the last thing he remembers at night every single day for the rest of his life.