12-year-old boy accidentally kills mother's friend at shooting range - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;42601574]I'd say it's the twelve year olds fault for you know, pulling the trigger and killing someone.[/QUOTE] Yup he should have known better, kid obviously wanted to shoot his friends mother in the head. Let's lock him up for a few years and see if he's so willing to shoot anyone when he gets out. You don't give a loaded gun to a 12 year old kid and especially not one who's not trained. Gun-safety and respect for weapons is something you need to be taught, it doesn't automatically form inside the brain of a kid at the age of 12. [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] The kid probably scarred himself for life, I can bet you it never occurred to him that the gun could have gone off and killed somebody.

"At some point, the child apparently jokingly took aim at the people in front of him, and pulled the trigger, fatally hitting the family friend in the head and killing him instantly." Why would you EVER "jokingly" aim a REAL FIREARM at someone? Fucking dumb piece of shit kid.

[QUOTE=Bora;42595178]to those people saying the kid should be punished accordingly, how the FUCK do you punish a 12 year old for killing someone ?[/QUOTE] Slap on the wrist, just put down the reason as murder. [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=MrJazzy;42601622]Yup he should have known better,[B] kid obviously wanted to shoot his friends mother in the head.[/B] Let's lock him up for a few years and see if he's so willing to shoot anyone when he gets out. You don't give a loaded gun to a 12 year old kid and especially not one who's not trained. Gun-safety and respect for weapons is something you need to be taught, it doesn't automatically form inside the brain of a kid at the age of 12. [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] The kid probably scarred himself for life, I can bet you it never occurred to him that the gun could have gone off and killed somebody.[/QUOTE] But he knew full well that he was point a gun at his head and pulling the trigger.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42601622]Yup he should have known better, kid obviously wanted to shoot his friends mother in the head. Let's lock him up for a few years and see if he's so willing to shoot anyone when he gets out. You don't give a loaded gun to a 12 year old kid and especially not one who's not trained. Gun-safety and respect for weapons is something you need to be taught, it doesn't automatically form inside the brain of a kid at the age of 12. [editline]22nd October 2013[/editline] The kid probably scarred himself for life, I can bet you it never occurred to him that the gun could have gone off and killed somebody.[/QUOTE] Did I say anything about putting him in jail? No, I said it's his fault because he shot somebody how the fuck is that not his fault. I understand yes, safety procedures should have been in place, the instructor should have cleared the gun, but this kid shouldn't have pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger.

Can we just sympathize with the kid? Yes he fucked up majorly, a huge mistake. But now he's going to be traumatized for the rest of life knowing he just killed someone. He should of known better, but the first few comments were way too hostile. Did we really have to go "wow fucking stupid shit kid"?

[QUOTE=theVendetta;42603147] But he knew full well that he was point a gun at his head and pulling the trigger.[/QUOTE] He didn't know it was loaded. To our knowledge.

[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;42604083]Can we just sympathize with the kid? Yes he fucked up majorly, a huge mistake. But now he's going to be traumatized for the rest of life knowing he just killed someone. He should of known better, but the first few comments were way too hostile. Did we really have to go "wow fucking stupid shit kid"?[/QUOTE] Just because we can sympathize with what he's going through doesn't mean he isn't a fucking stupid shit.

[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;42604083]Did we really have to go "wow fucking stupid shit kid"?[/QUOTE] [b]"At some point, the child apparently jokingly took aim at the people in front of him, and pulled the trigger, fatally hitting the family friend in the head and killing him instantly."[/b] Do we really have to answer your question?

[QUOTE=AK'z;42579083]the instructor is at fault for not checking if it was loaded.[/QUOTE] More than that though. The instructor pretty much did nothing to help prevent this. It was like there were no safety procedures to follow. She allowed someone to handle a gun on the firing line while knowing that others were moving forwards into the range, she didn't properly check whether the gun was safe to handle and neither did it seem like she properly trained the kid on how to handle one. It's no wonder why the instructor is facing charges.

[sp] Deh Haaxxxxx! [/sp] Talk about gun versatily on a 12 yo kid. A headshot at that range? What's the status of age limitation concerning gun training? Even with an instructor, I wouldn't let kids train in such a thing. But I guess Russia is the land of opportunity.

Guns don't belong in kids' hands. It's as simple as that. No guns. Nada. If you're not old enough to drink alcohol or drive a car you shouldn't legally be able to hold a gun.

[QUOTE=uber.;42606834]Guns don't belong in kids' hands. It's as simple as that. No guns. Nada. If you're not old enough to drink alcohol or drive a car you shouldn't legally be able to hold a gun.[/QUOTE] I completely agree. Why does a 12 year old need to shoot a gun?

[QUOTE=uber.;42606834]Guns don't belong in kids' hands. It's as simple as that. No guns. Nada. If you're not old enough to drink alcohol or drive a car you shouldn't legally be able to hold a gun.[/QUOTE] I've been handling and shooting guns ever since I was 9 with my dad. Operating a gun is not hard, however operating one safely requires knowledge that can be taught on the spot in a short amount of time, depending on the weapon in question. First thing my dad taught we were: don't put your finger on the trigger until you intend to destroy the object, NEVER aim a gun at anybody under any circumstances, always put it in safety when use of it is ceased, always treat it as if loaded, etc. etc. then actually came operating the gun. What amazes me is that this kid didn't have any common sense towards handling a weapon, gun wasn't checked if loaded, was able to hold a weapon before even learning basic gun safety, as well as the gun not being in selective safe mode. Why in the [I]fuck[/I] would you aim a weapon that is used for killing at somebody's head? Damn. edit: shooting guns is more of a hobby, it was good bonding for me and my dad lol it's fun. it's usually always safe. you can find dumbasses using guns on youtube and nothing's happened to them yet

When I was 12 I had never even seen a real gun before IRL aside from patrolling cops and even I still knew I some gun safety rules uhhh...i dunno...[B]NOT PULLING THE TRIGGER FOR FUN WHILE NOT KNOWING ITS LOADED[/B]

[QUOTE=uber.;42606834]Guns don't belong in kids' hands. It's as simple as that. No guns. Nada. If you're not old enough to drink alcohol or drive a car you shouldn't legally be able to hold a gun.[/QUOTE] And this is why your government has complete control of you. :v:

[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;42610100]And this is why your government has complete control of you. :v:[/QUOTE] What are you implying?

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42610132]What are you implying?[/QUOTE] That not teaching children the proper operation and more importantly the SAFE USE of firearms is a very dumb move. Especially if it's not till they're 21. Its like, "Happy 21st birthday citizen! You now have access to both firearms and alcohol! Hopefully you know about firearms through the internet or something and don't accidentally kill someone, citizen! :v:". I understand that the perceptive culture of firearms is going to differ between your Western European self and my Southwestern American ass, but that's just how I feel about children and firearms. -Savyetski79

I'm from a country where firearms are not even legal to use and I knew that you shouldn't pull the fucking trigger on a real gun by the age I was 10.

[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;42614387]That not teaching children the proper operation and more importantly the SAFE USE of firearms is a very dumb move. Especially if it's not till they're 21. Its like, "Happy 21st birthday citizen! You now have access to both firearms and alcohol! Hopefully you know about firearms through the internet or something and don't accidentally kill someone, citizen! :v:". I understand that the perceptive culture of firearms is going to differ between your Western European self and my Southwestern American ass, but that's just how I feel about children and firearms. -Savyetski79[/QUOTE] lol your drinking age is 21... But seriously, do you need a gun license in the USA to own a gun? If you did you could set it up so that you have to be say 18 to own a gun and then you can get a junior license or some shit at 15 where you can shoot your daddy's gun at a range under supervision or something.

It's strange for me to see these kind of incidents happen when my sister and I have been brought up around firearms, and we never got to even touch cap guns until we knew proper firearm safety.

[QUOTE=theVendetta;42614908]lol your drinking age is 21... But seriously, do you need a gun license in the USA to own a gun? If you did you could set it up so that you have to be say 18 to own a gun and then you can get a junior license or some shit at 15 where you can shoot your daddy's gun at a range under supervision or something.[/QUOTE] In some of the more cespooly parts of the nation yeah..or at least you did until recently. My hometown of Chicago, IL is one of those places.

[QUOTE=theVendetta;42614908]lol your drinking age is 21... But seriously, do you need a gun license in the USA to own a gun? If you did you could set it up so that you have to be say 18 to own a gun and then you can get a junior license or some shit at 15 where you can shoot your daddy's gun at a range under supervision or something.[/QUOTE] Nope. You just have to prove you are over the age of eighteen, and do the [url=http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf]ATF Form 4473 (warning .pdf).[/url] After that you can buy whatever guns you wish to buy with the exceptions for automatics. I have been personally shooting high-powered air rifles since I was about four or five, and got my first personal air rifle at the age of seven. I shot my first rimfire weapons at the age of eight, and throughout my early teen years I have owned: If it has a X| at the end, it means I sold it - Ruger Airhawk (Air Rifle) - Daisy BB Gun - Semi-Auto AK-74 X| - Gewehr 98 - Draco AK Pistol X| - Savage Mark II (bought this 2 weeks ago) - Bulgarian Makarov - AR-15 X| You really don't need much to buy/own guns. It's genereally recommended to have a firearm vault though for insurance reasons.

[QUOTE=weed roller;42607293]I completely agree. Why does a 12 year old need to shoot a gun?[/QUOTE] Why doesn't a 12 year old need to? Hell, my sister started shooting when she was 11...never had an accident either.

He probably didn't want his mother goin' out with the guy, you know. You don't want your mother being boned by someone you hardly know.

Why do people need to own guns in the first place?

[QUOTE=eldomtom2;42617190]Why do people need to own guns in the first place?[/QUOTE] they're neat

[QUOTE=eldomtom2;42617190]Why do people need to own guns in the first place?[/QUOTE] Cause people enjoy them I guess, this isn't exactly the right place to bring up this discussion. [editline]23rd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=TheChantzGuy;42603405]Did I say anything about putting him in jail? No, I said it's his fault because he shot somebody how the fuck is that not his fault. I understand yes, safety procedures should have been in place, the instructor should have cleared the gun, but this kid shouldn't have pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger.[/QUOTE] Ah, misunderstood you then, yeah it is his fault you're definitely right about it, he made a conscious choice when he did what he did, but he could not have known the possible consequences because otherwise he would never have done what he did. [editline]23rd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=theVendetta;42603147]But he knew full well that he was point a gun at his head and pulling the trigger.[/QUOTE] So? [editline]23rd October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Savyetski79;42616208]Why doesn't a 12 year old need to? Hell, my sister started shooting when she was 11...never had an accident either.[/QUOTE] A lot of kids start drinking underage and never have an accident either, the argument is that handling a gun wrong could have horrible implications and a 12-year old kid is most likely not old enough to take on that responsibility. An 18 age limit may be a bit too old but around 14 or 15 should in my opinion be a decent age.

[QUOTE=eldomtom2;42617190]Why do people need to own guns in the first place?[/QUOTE] To some its a hobby. I plan on getting a shotgun for skeet-shooting when I get in a better financial spot. Some people use them for hunting. Others, in more rare cases, because they [I]actually [/I]live in dangerous places and need protection. There's no reason that law-abiding and trained citizens shouldn't be able to own firearms. People tend to see these articles and blame the fact that guns are widely available when they should be looking at the lack of people willing to follow safety regulations and receive proper training. Or moron parents who are willing to let their child hold a loaded gun without ensuring he understands safe firearm operation protocol. I don't like using the cliche "guns don't kill people, people kill people" but its accurate. People operate the gun. If that person doesn't understand how to do that without ensuring the safety of himself and everyone around him, he shouldn't own a gun, much less be able to hold one. Just because idiots get a hold of them doesn't mean the gun is to blame and it doesn't mean that the best option is to ban them and to take them away from people who respect that the object in their hands is a weapon, a destructive force, and should be handled like one.