• Fatal Car Accident Caused By Deer (happened right in front of me omw to a party)
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I just hope my friend doesn't start cutting herself over this shit, she went through a bad time in her life and I fear this could bring up bad emotions for her..
[QUOTE=and;41153711]Driving stoned is NOTHING like driving drunk. Police have done trial runs having baked people drive courses, and it was very hard to tell they were even impaired until they had smoked so much they could hardly focus on anything, at which point the biggest offense was how slow they were going to be able to complete it. A drunk, on the other hand, will often speed up and plow through cones unphased. How many were lost to drunk drivers? How many to stoned ones? Just because they're both drugs doesn't mean they equally impair your driving.[/QUOTE] Uh huh. Sure. From the trial runs I've heard about, drugs can be just as bad. And I've been to a few too many RTC's where that sort of attitude towards it had led to somebody either dying or seriously injured. Anyway, those circumstances are horrible. Stopping or not that night would have made no difference either.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;41154651]His arguments are pointless because if he bothered to read the article carefully, he would've realized the guy died at the scene. So even [i]if[/i] he managed to pull a man out from the flipped Fiero, he'd be pulling out the body of his passengers uncle. That would've been even more traumatic in my opinion.[/QUOTE] Devil's advocate; dead at the scene does not mean instantly killed. It only means that he was dead when the authorities arrived.
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;41154729]I just hope my friend doesn't start cutting herself over this shit, she went through a bad time in her life and I fear this could bring up bad emotions for her..[/QUOTE] Refer her to therapy if you notice bad signs. Try to avoid letting her get survivor's guilt. I'm really sorry.
[QUOTE=Axznma;41154673]Your defense is that [I]you're not obligated to help someone[/I]. You clearly don't even realize what that says about you as a person. That kind of mentality is why people burn to death in car wrecks needlessly.[/QUOTE] That kind of mentality is the kind of mentality that most people have, and they have good reason for having it. Don't sit there and pretend like you'd want to stand in the middle of nowhere at ~midnight just to do fucking [I]nothing[/I], because there was fucking [I]nothing[/I] that you could have done and fucking [I]nothing[/I] that you should have done aside from call the police and let the authorities know that something happened. They are professionals. You are not. You don't call a person morally-reprehensible for not giving a heart-attack victim CPR, because improper CPR can [I]kill[/I] a person and can put you in [I]mountains of legal trouble[/I]. It's practically the same situation here.
As long as he stopped to see if the person was ok or not and phoned 999 I don't see it as a big deal (still a dick move driving high though)
[QUOTE=Memobot;41154735]Uh huh. Sure. From the trial runs I've heard about, [b]drugs can be just as bad.[/b] And I've been to a few too many RTC's where that sort of attitude towards it had led to somebody either dying or seriously injured.[/QUOTE] What? Did you mean to say weed can be just as bad? Because if you did, you just proved my point that people can just lump alcohol and weed together regarding driving impairment, even though they work on the brain in completely different ways. I'm not saying driving stoned is fine, just that it's much less worthy of attention than drunk driving.
[QUOTE=LittleDogX;41154677][i]Also, from my understanding, the OP didn't stop at the scene (nor does he make any indication of stopping ever, he just simply says he reported it).[/i] You know what? Let's go full "asshole mode". Yes. He should have stopped and stared at the of a car wreck with a man that lay either dead or dying in it. I feel that's the right thing to do, even if you're going to traumatize yourself in the process. In the end, I believe the guilt of not stopping will almost always out weigh the trauma from seeing someone die. At least if you actually stop, you can go thinking that you did everything that you could have in the situation. All that will happen is you'll live in regret of the situation always thinking, "Maybe I could have done this or that" or "Is it my fault since I didn't stop?" Because of the OP's decisions, he will now always think back on this wondering if he could have done anything if he had stopped. Am I the cause of that thinking since I basically started this whole debate? Maybe, but I will never think I was wrong in pointing it out or bringing it up. I may not have been in the OP's shoes when it all happened, but I know with certainty that I would have stopped, because I would never want someone to just drive past me in the same situation. Now just think about the "could've" and "should've" that will result from not stopping at all. At least if you stop, you can at least acknowledge that there was nothing you could do, instead of always wondering "If I had stopped, could I have actually done something"? Even if you're told after the incident that there was nothing you could have done, you will still think on wondering if there really wasn't, since you didn't actually stop to check, and you didn't see it with your own eyes. It's much easier to confront things and believe them when you see it yourself.[/QUOTE] you're criticizing someone for something that already happened on the basis that some other action might have had a better effect on their mental health have you not considered that by criticizing them for this, you are only causing a greater negative effect on their mental health
[QUOTE=LittleDogX;41154677][i]Also, from my understanding, the OP didn't stop at the scene (nor does he make any indication of stopping ever, he just simply says he reported it).[/i] You know what? Let's go full "asshole mode". Yes. He should have stopped and stared at the of a car wreck with a man that lay either dead or dying in it. I feel that's the right thing to do, even if you're going to traumatize yourself in the process. In the end, I believe the guilt of not stopping will almost always out weigh the trauma from seeing someone die. At least if you actually stop, you can go thinking that you did everything that you could have in the situation. All that will happen is you'll live in regret of the situation always thinking, "Maybe I could have done this or that" or "Is it my fault since I didn't stop?" Because of the OP's decisions, he will now always think back on this wondering if he could have done anything if he had stopped. Am I the cause of that thinking since I basically started this whole debate? Maybe, but I will never think I was wrong in pointing it out or bringing it up. I may not have been in the OP's shoes when it all happened, but I know with certainty that I would have stopped, because I would never want someone to just drive past me in the same situation. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=breakyourfac;41154343]Yeah I like how everybody makes it seem like I left the guy to die. There was already someone there, I pulled over to call 911, and saw the neighbor coming. I really don't understand the difference having 2 people there instead of one would've done. [editline]23rd June 2013[/editline] You need to learn how to fucking read [B][I][U]THERE WAS ALREADY A GUY THERE[/U][/I][/B][/QUOTE] gj reading the thread
I had an incident whilst driving my car today. Slightly relevant. Was driving down long, straight road, with no speed limit. Nothing for miles ahead. Came up behind an L plated driver doing about 20mph. Female driver, kids in car. Indicated to overtake, pulled out. L-plated Car pulled over to the left slightly and slowed down. I interpreted this was to let me past, so I started to overtake her. Suddenly she puts her indicators on, and immediately pulls across the road in front of me, wedging me between her car and a parked car. We collided at <5mph and all cars had minor bodywork issues. No airbags deployed, etc. We park up and she immediately jumps out, [b]pulls the L-plates off[/b] and starts having a go at me for 'speeding', 'racing', 'not seeing her'. I just remind her that if I was going as fast as she claimed or 'racing', all our cars would have been totalled. The male owner of the parked car just calmly call the cops, they arrive, got everyone's account of what happened. My beloved car now, that I've driven for 5 years without incident, now has a dent on the front end and the engine cover is no longer flush to the lights... Fucking annoying.
[QUOTE=joes33431;41154773]That kind of mentality is the kind of mentality that most people have, and they have good reason for having it. Don't sit there and pretend like you'd want to stand in the middle of nowhere at ~midnight just to do fucking [I]nothing[/I], because there was fucking [I]nothing[/I] that you could have done and fucking [I]nothing[/I] that you should have done aside from call the police and let the authorities know that something happened. They are professionals. You are not. You don't call a person morally-reprehensible for not giving a heart-attack victim CPR, because improper CPR can [I]kill[/I] a person and can put you in [I]mountains of legal trouble[/I]. It's practically the same situation here.[/QUOTE] Okay this is wrong, nearly every state in the USA, and I believe in the UK there is a good samaritan law that if you attempt to give someone medical treatment in an emergency you can't be held liable.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;41154910]Okay this is wrong, nearly every state in the USA, and I believe in the UK there is a good samaritan law that if you attempt to give someone medical treatment in an emergency you can't be held liable.[/QUOTE] in michigan it only applies to medical professionals, emt's, first responders, hospital staff, etc. not joe blow who pulled over.
Im kinda impressed that OP managed to out-smart someone while still driving drunk/high
[QUOTE=Jimmyshimmy;41155039]Im kinda impressed that OP managed to out-smart someone while still driving drunk/high[/QUOTE] How the fuck did I outsmart anybody? If anything I was lucky, I could've died last night myself had the deer ran out literally 3 seconds later.
Seriously, back off from the OP. There was already someone at the scene, more help wasn't needed. All of you saying that you would do it different are fucking lying, in your mind you always play the hero but in real life you'd keep driving as well, in a situation like that you panic, not to mention OP wasn't at fault himself, if he hadn't let the man pass, he would've died himself. OP is already having a hard time, he doesn't need facepunchers on his back as well. The person who bought that title is fucking heartless. OP, if you need someone to talk to, you can always hit me up.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;41153609]I imagine most people who do it say the same thing, up until they crash.[/QUOTE] Yeah cuz Im sure you know sooo much about smoking weed eh?
[QUOTE=Kirbyfactor;41155088]The person who bought that title is fucking heartless.[/QUOTE] To be honest, that galls me more than anything else in this thread. "Hey, the OP just saw someone get killed in a car accident and gave a proper first response by not only calling 911, but also ensuring that someone else was there on scene." "Nope, he's an asshole and I'm going to guilt him into thinking it's HIS fault the person is dead. *buy title*" I mean c'mon folks; there's criticism/debate and then there's outright being an asshole. OP, if you want your title changed to something more pleasant, I'll drop the $5 for that. You shouldn't have been driving while high, but it was not your fault that this occurred. You did the right thing so far as I'm concerned. EDIT: And the title was changed while I was typing this. Someone is quick :v:
Returned the favor. [img]http://i.imgur.com/78HnlW0.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;41155219] EDIT: And the title was changed while I was typing this. Someone is quick :v:[/QUOTE] I changed it back because people are stupid keyboard warriors who would have either done the same things OP did or not as much. Breakyourfac doesn't deserve do have such an unjustified title. [B]Edit:[/B] [QUOTE=Amez;41155255]Returned the favor. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/78HnlW0.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] What you've done doesn't help the situation and just an immature response to it. Though I'm sure Facepunch thanks you for the money.
There are so many nice people on this forum, the fact that people care enough to spend money on a person they don't even know just really makes me happy inside. To all those who offered to change my title, thank you you are all great people. [editline]23rd June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Amez;41155255]Returned the favor. [img]http://i.imgur.com/78HnlW0.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I didn't know that's who bought me the title, how did you check that? What an asshole.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;41154910]Okay this is wrong, nearly every state in the USA, and I believe in the UK there is a good samaritan law that if you attempt to give someone medical treatment in an emergency you can't be held liable.[/QUOTE] the good samaritan law only applies (in general) to people who act in the scope of their training/certification in my example, the person is not trained in CPR this is something I had to learn when I got my first aid/CPR certification.
Holy fucking shit, so that girl I was with. She lives with her two little cousins. Their dad (who just died) used to molest them. This is just getting beyond fucked up.
Honestly I think it's a good thing the OP didn't stop. If the driver was still alive inside the car, the last thing anyone needs is someone under the influence of drugs trying to help. I really hope you look on this as a learning experience and never drive high again though. I don't know how anyone could drive high after experiencing what you did. The people using this as an excuse to spread their "OMG DRIVING WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF CERTAIN DRUGS IS TOTALLY OKAY!" propaganda are despicable. You only end up driving super slow because you're paranoid as fuck, I've known people who have flown through stop signs and red lights while high because guess what? They concentrate so hard on staying the speed limit that they're totally oblivious to anything else. Please tell me you won't ever drive high, drunk, or otherwise do anything like that again OP...
[QUOTE=breakyourfac;41155269] I didn't know that's who bought me the title, how did you check that? What an asshole.[/QUOTE] You can check the "event's" button under your posts to see who changed it.
Those poor little girls aren't doing well at all. They think it's their fault because they hadn't seen him since October, they were very traumatized by the molestation before he died (they pee the bed frequently). I can't imagine how this is affecting them. I know I would not be mentally strong enough at their age to endure something like this.
You have my sympathies, OP. My grandparents [I]almost[/I] hit a deer once. The only damage was a torn off side mirror. They were just incredibly lucky that the deer pretty much jumped over the car. I know it could have been so, so much worse.
[QUOTE=acer8;41153624]and im sure you're just as brain washed as the next guy into believing it's such a horrible thing.[/QUOTE] Brainwashed by who exactly? Weed is legal in my country and it still retarded to be under the influence of anything while driving.
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[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;41155305]Honestly I think it's a good thing the OP didn't stop. If the driver was still alive inside the car, the last thing anyone needs is someone under the influence of drugs trying to help. I really hope you look on this as a learning experience and never drive high again though. I don't know how anyone could drive high after experiencing what you did. The people using this as an excuse to spread their "OMG DRIVING WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF CERTAIN DRUGS IS TOTALLY OKAY!" propaganda are despicable. You only end up driving super slow because you're paranoid as fuck, I've known people who have flown through stop signs and red lights while high because guess what? They concentrate so hard on staying the speed limit that they're totally oblivious to anything else. Please tell me you won't ever drive high, drunk, or otherwise do anything like that again OP...[/QUOTE] Oh, I get paranoid when I drive after smoking? I'm glad you know me so well. Stop saying things, your after school special pot education doesn't speak for everyone.
Who else am I going to vent this to? If I tell any of my friends it's such a small town word would probably get back to those girls or their family somehow. I'm sorry if it's too much, you're right maybe I should snip it.
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