• Muslim immigrants drown Christians on the way to Europe
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Depends on who you ask. There is a lot of groups with a vested interest in creating an us vs them mind set, its not even funny. I can give a few guesses but nothing substantial.
[QUOTE=Bathtub;47542538]why is it always muslims[/QUOTE] Because that's what the media is telling us about.
[QUOTE=Bathtub;47542538]why is it always muslims[/QUOTE] A Christian has never drowned anybody. That's just a fact.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;47540742]Hopefully they will be sent to some institution so they can be successfully integrated into European society.[/QUOTE] I'm extremely pro-rehab and even I'm going "Wow, how liberal do you get"
[QUOTE=Matthew0505;47542736]There's an institution for integrating these people into Europe, it's called prison.[/QUOTE] Prison's too good for them, they should be sent back where they came from.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47542577]Because that's what the media is telling us about.[/QUOTE] Perhaps because it really [i]does[/i] tend to be Muslims, and the media isn't actually involved in some kind of a ratings/viewer conspiracy here? I mean really, it's not as if the Middle East and Africa don't have an abundance of acts of religious violence occurring already involving Islamic terrorists/militants/whatever moreso than acts involving Christian terrorists/militants/etc. It can't really be debated: fact of the matter is, when it comes to religious violence today, the reason why Islam is at the forefront of the issue, in the eyes of both the public and security/military establishments, is precisely because Islam is involved in some way or another with many acts of religious violence. Draw what conclusions you want from that as you will; be as reasonable or unreasonable about it as you want to be. Either way, in any case, we're reading a story about Muslim immigrants drowning Christians who were traveling alongside them in the first place because it happened.
Tell them they get citizenship if they can row their boat to Antarctica then to the shores of India and back.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47542577]Because that's what the media is telling us about.[/QUOTE] It's kinda true though in today's times, there are a lot of extremist and violent Muslims, not to say there arent any extremist Christians. It pales in comparison to how many extremist Christians percentage-wise there were during the crusades.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47542577]Because that's what the media is telling us about.[/QUOTE] Except media (At least here) does NOT report anything about muslims and christians, I read about this today in the free paper on my way to work (Metro Express) they didn't mention muslims or christians...
Most muslims are pretty extreme when it comes to accepting differences, either you are muslim or GTFO.
They want to live in Europe, but they don't want Europe's norms and values. :I
I think the major difference in our cultures is that they see violence as the ultimatum to solve problems, where as we believe freedom is the ultimatum. This sadly furthers my grim view on immigration of vastly different cultures
Honestly, if you're a devout muslim then Western ideals are pretty much anathema to your beliefs and ideals. We can argue about it and shit til the fucking cows come home but that just is the way it is, there's nothing wrong with someone who wants to make a better life for themselves and their family but people need to understand that when you become a part of a new country or hope to that you need to follow their rules and be willing to adapt because why the fuck else should we be willing to take these people in.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;47540742]Hopefully they will be sent to some institution so they can be successfully integrated into European society.[/QUOTE] Maybe they can fuck your girlfriend while they're at it.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47542577]Because that's what the media is telling us about.[/QUOTE] No, its because [I]it really is always Muslims.[/I] So far this year, 99.7% of terror attacks have been committed by Muslims. In 2014 90.65% of terrorist attacks were by Muslims, against 0.4% committed by Christians. There isn't some grand campaign to make Muslims out to look evil. Its simple statistics.
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47544209]Honestly, if you're a devout muslim then Western ideals are pretty much anathema to your beliefs and ideals. We can argue about it and shit til the fucking cows come home but that just is the way it is, there's nothing wrong with someone who wants to make a better life for themselves and their family but people need to understand that when you become a part of a new country or hope to that you need to follow their rules and be willing to adapt because why the fuck else should we be willing to take these people in.[/QUOTE] The average muslim that I see and talk to every day are smart enough to be moderate and have had no problem getting used to living in France over the course of several generations. Then you have complete fucking shittards who demand privileges on everything and basically want special treatment and immunity to certain laws, but I can't stress enough that they're [I]in the minority[/I].
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47544855]The average muslim that I see and talk to every day are smart enough to be moderate and have had no problem getting used to living in France over the course of several generations. Then you have complete fucking shittards who demand privileges on everything and basically want special treatment and immunity to certain laws, but I can't stress enough that they're [I]in the minority[/I].[/QUOTE] The problem is that while they might be the minority, actually getting the majority of muslims to do anything about it is like pulling teeth.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;47544328]No, its because [I]it really is always Muslims.[/I] So far this year, 99.7% of terror attacks have been committed by Muslims. In 2014 90.65% of terrorist attacks were by Muslims, against 0.4% committed by Christians. There isn't some grand campaign to make Muslims out to look evil. Its simple statistics.[/QUOTE] That's because what you qualify as terror attack is the exact type of attack used by muslims. If you stretch that definition a little then all the various attacks by far right wing extremist groups in France on Immigrant, Jewish and Muslim populations would also be counted and the numbers would change significantly.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;47542629]A Christian has never drowned anybody. That's just a fact.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_by_ordeal#Ordeal_of_water[/url]
A better idea would be to have the source of the statistics and check what they define as a terrorist attack and whether or not it infringes on hate crimes.
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47544859]The problem is that while they might be the minority, actually getting the majority of muslims to do anything about it is like pulling teeth.[/QUOTE] The Muslim moderate majority was out in the street during the republican walks all over the country after the January attacks on Charlie Hebdo and the Kosher market, and most of the Imams of France were also present.
[QUOTE=Subzero MP3Z;47544153]I think the major difference in our cultures is that they see violence as the ultimatum to solve problems, where as we believe freedom is the ultimatum. This sadly furthers my grim view on immigration of vastly different cultures[/QUOTE] This is the same troubled, disingenuous rhetoric we've applied to every villified racial/ethnic group the West has ever butted heads with. Throughout America's history, this same line of thought has been applied to the Vietnamese, Koreans, Irish, Italians, Mexicans, the Jewish, Africans/African-Americans, Native Americans, and the Polish, to name only a few. The same conditions apply to every other country, as well. Cultural groups develop bullshit prejudices against whatever other cultural groups they fear are somehow a threat to their way of life, and those prejudices always boil down into dehumanizing your targets to the best of your ability. Inevitably, we all move on, realize how ridiculous we were being, claim to be a more aware and tolerant generation than our parents were, and then do the same thing to somebody else. The belief that Muslims are violent, lazy, stupid savages is not some enlightened perspective based on objective evidence and a superior sense of awareness; it is the same tired racism and xenophobia that has plagued humanity throughout all of recorded history.
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;47544328]No, its because [I]it really is always Muslims.[/I] So far this year, 99.7% of terror attacks have been committed by Muslims. In 2014 90.65% of terrorist attacks were by Muslims, against 0.4% committed by Christians. There isn't some grand campaign to make Muslims out to look evil. Its simple statistics.[/QUOTE] Everyone is misunderstanding my post. This is [B]not[/B] a terror attack. This is just [B]simple murder.[/B] Yes, majority of terror attacks committed today are by Islamic extremists, but this isn't one of them. This is just murder.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47544951]Everyone is misunderstanding my post. This is [B]not[/B] a terror attack. This is just [B]simple murder.[/B] Yes, majority of terror attacks committed today are by Islamic extremists, but this isn't one of them. This is just murder.[/QUOTE] Not just murder, murder motivated by religious hatred which is an important factor.
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47544992]Not just murder, murder motivated by religious hatred which is an important factor.[/QUOTE] It's still not a terror attack like how people are responding to my previous post.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47545017]It's still not a terror attack like how people are responding to my previous post.[/QUOTE] He wasn't suggesting it was a terror attack, more that there is an inherent issue with Islam and violence.
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47545051]He wasn't suggesting it was a terror attack, more that there is an inherent issue with Islam and violence.[/QUOTE] Pantz Master specifically said the word "terrorism" though?
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47545051]He wasn't suggesting it was a terror attack, more that there is an inherent issue with Islam and violence.[/QUOTE] Which is bullshit anyway, Islam doesn't breed any more violence than any other religion. It's matter of bigoted shitheads being ignorant, not bigoted shitheads being Muslims. With all the firebombings of abortion clinics in the US, the constant attacks on mosques, synagogues and desecration of tombs by far right wing groups and Christian radicals in France, and the utter chaos in some African and Middle Eastern countries where Christians and Muslims are constantly jumping at each other's throats, you'd think people would be smart enough to realize it's not a specific religion that breeds more violence than others but merely the idiocy of people fueled by any religion. Not to mention the shitbirds that don't even need religion to commit murder and found plenty of other reasons to indulge in atrocities and justify themselves.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;47545084]Pantz Master specifically said the word "terrorism" though?[/QUOTE] Probably because terrorism and violence are linked to each other? He was using it as a piece of evidence in a larger debate, not trying to turn this into a terrorism debate. I can't speak for the guy obviously but I'm pretty sure that was his intention.
This doesnt really grant much merit to their cultural background.
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