• Porn and video game addiction are leading to 'masculinity crisis', says Stanford prison experiment p
    449 replies, posted
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;47703959]It can't be true. 15 hours a day, 7 hours of school, that leaves [I]2[/I] hours of actual sleep a day assuming he teleports and does nothing else ever. He'd be dead.[/QUOTE] Well even if it was 6 hours a day its still very harmful.
[QUOTE=bdd458;47703946][I]And even then, why the fuck should they be toxic?[/I] at what point does an overwhelming amount of anecdotes start to point towards a real problem? Because studies, documentaries, you name have seen that this is a real issue in American society. Oh and you. You seem to on average, not actually read what has been said at all. My first fucking post in the thread, since I was the one to bring it up[/QUOTE] Every community has it's toxicity. I mean look at LoL. For those two commentators criticizing him over being a father (which is a very manly thing) there's probably hundreds more congratulating him and that probably came from people who actually play the sport rather then the people who don't but are basically youtube commentors.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;47703959]It can't be true. 15 hours a day, 7 hours of school, that leaves [I]2[/I] hours of actual sleep a day assuming he teleports and does nothing else ever. He'd be dead.[/QUOTE] Well, if this is someone who's actually got an addiction, he may be skipping school.
[QUOTE=bdd458;47703946]My first fucking post in the thread, since I was the one to bring it up[/QUOTE] Yes, I was referring to your first post in this thread. A rant about something completely unrelated to the article, which I can only assume is because you didn't actually read the article and instead leaped to railing against an irrelevant concept of masculine gender roles that the article [i]isn't talking about[/i]. If you can point out to me where the psychologist is saying porn and videogame addiction are making men more emotional and less keen to fulfill societal tough-guy stereotypes and how that's a bad thing, I'm all ears. Because what it's clearly saying is porn, Internet, and videogame addiction are making men less social, less sexual, and less motivated and that's a [i]completely[/i] different claim.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47703975]See, you just keep finding excuses and reasons for toxic hostility to be acceptable because you think it shouldn't change That's not a strong argument. Competition can happen in an environment that doesn't involve straight up toxic hostility like american sports.[/QUOTE] That's the mentality of such aggressive sports. If you play rugby and physically clash with people it's not unusual to try to suppress everyone you can. Plus you have to be honest, most people in sports are not the most enlightened. It's the nature of sports. Some are better at programming, others are good at punching dudes. So two groups are formed. If you don't fit then you are a black sheep and it's natural. How you go about it is your choice, but there is no one to blame for it and it can't be changed. There will always be subcultures with their own rules. It's not only about sports. If you were to enter the arts scene of a town you could easily not fit in the culture of artists. They could say you are not "deep enough". Would you rant that society expects men to be too deep?
Maybe the reason why men are thinking of WoW instead of class is because class is super boring? I paid more attention in elementary school when all the walls were bright and colourful and lined with facts about the world. While in high school it was hard to pay attention because the only colour was green and brown. Brown being my desk and Green being the chalkboard while everything else was white, even the floors.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47703913]I think there's a misconception here. I don't think the problem is swalloing your emotions. It never was. I think the problem is just that people don't give a shit about your problems if you're a man, because you're expect to just deal with them.[/QUOTE] Yes and this is a stupid view. There is nothing inherent about possessing a dick that makes dealing with problems suddenly easier
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47703999]That's the mentality of such aggressive sports. If you play rugby and physically clash with people it's not unusual to try to suppress everyone you can. Plus you have to be honest, most people in sports are not the most enlightened. It's the nature of sports. Some are better at programming, others are good at punching dudes. So two groups are formed. If you don't fit then you are a black sheep and it's natural. How you go about it is your choice, but there is no one to blame for it and it can't be changed. There will always be subcultures with their own rules. It's not only about sports. If you were to enter the arts scene of a town you could easily not fit in the culture of artists. They could say you are not "deep enough". Would you rant that society expects men to be too deep?[/QUOTE] No because artistic culture is largely NOT considered to be manly task, but that of a creative one. 44 Sports are largely considered manly and are also incredibly fucking toxic places because they're considered to be so manly.
It's too late for me, I don't want to give up my games and porn now.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47703994]Yes, I was referring to your first post in this thread. A rant about something completely unrelated to the article, which I can only assume is because you didn't actually read the article and instead leaped to railing against an irrelevant concept of masculine gender roles that the article [i]isn't talking about[/i]. If you can point out to me where the psychologist is saying porn and videogame addiction are making men more emotional and less keen to fulfill societal tough-guy stereotypes and how that's a bad thing, I'm all ears. Because what it's clearly saying is porn, Internet, and videogame addiction are making men less social, less sexual, and less motivated and that's a [i]completely[/i] different claim.[/QUOTE] I think no ones talking about that because it's pretty hard to argue with. Spending 15/24's of your day doing any one thing that isn't a productive task, is probably not good for you on any level.
Has anyone here read fight club? It supports the stance that the only way you can be masculine is via "manly" things like fighting and destroying things. Honestly, masculinity is not about that.
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;47703959]It can't be true. 15 hours a day, 7 hours of school, that leaves [I]2[/I] hours of actual sleep a day assuming he teleports and does nothing else ever. He'd be dead.[/QUOTE] probably occurs on weekends or during break. will play 15 hours straight if he has the chance, not regularly. Ive met people deep into MMOs who forgo sleep regularly to play the game instead.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47704013]No because artistic culture is largely NOT considered to be manly task, but that of a creative one. 44 Sports are largely considered manly and are also incredibly fucking toxic places because they're considered to be so manly.[/QUOTE] Sports are considered manly because they are. You need to have a lot of manly traits to be succesful in sports. I mean you physically require them to be succesful, not because people expect you to. You can't lift 200kg without being muscular. No matter how you go about it, you can't be a lifter without at least one masculine trait. But it's exacty the same way any occupation requires some traits and has expectations, it's normal.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47703994]Yes, I was referring to your first post in this thread. A rant about something completely unrelated to the article, which I can only assume is because you didn't actually read the article and instead leaped to railing against an irrelevant concept of masculine gender roles that the article [i]isn't talking about[/i]. If you can point out to me where the psychologist is saying porn and videogame addiction are making men more emotional and less keen to fulfill societal tough-guy stereotypes and how that's a bad thing, I'm all ears. Because what it's clearly saying is porn, Internet, and videogame addiction are making men less social, less sexual, and less motivated and that's a [i]completely[/i] different claim.[/QUOTE] You continue to blatantly ignore what's posted. He said that porn and video games are what is causing a crisis of masculinity, which by the way, is, what [I]I countered by saying that's not what is causing it and then talked about what's actually causing a crisis of masculinity.[/I] [quote=me][B][I]That's not why there's a "Crisis of Masculinity".[/I][/B][/quote]
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;47703841]What the fuck [I]is[/I] a masculinity crisis?[/QUOTE] People are scared of change. Seeing societal norms evolve scares people. And it's pretty obvious society really doesn't know how to adapt to the pace of technology. There's no prior rulebook of psychology to fall back on with concepts of internet, instant access and gratifications, etc. It's a little slice of insanity that violent video games actually lowered youth violence by providing an outlet rather than a tutorial. Long-distance relationships, and friendships, are still under a lot of study because it's a relatively new concept that a girl in Texas can have a boyfriend in England without the two ever having met in person. (So yes, it is, in slight, dumb generational fear mongering out of lack of understanding.)
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;47704011]Yes and this is a stupid view. There is nothing inherent about possessing a dick that makes dealing with problems suddenly easier[/QUOTE] It's not that men turn their hearths into stone. I've been told from young age to think before speaking and acting. When you let your emotions get the better of you, that's when you make mistakes. I have no issue sharing my problems and concerns.
[QUOTE=mentalmoustache;47704026]probably occurs on weekends or during break. will play 15 hours straight if he has the chance, not regularly. Ive met people deep into MMOs who forgo sleep regularly to play the game instead.[/QUOTE] I wonder how important the regularity of such things are. I know earlier in my life I'd play WoW on skype with my 5 or 6 school friends for the better part of a weekend, all just talking and doing shit sometimes together and sometimes apart.
This really hits home and I've come to this same realization a long time ago. More so on the game addiction anyway. I have a sob story I won't go into, but for many years I was a shut in playing video games with no employment. It's frustrating because I feel very out of touch with people so I don't even particularly mind being alone, which just exacerbates the situation. Doesn't help that GTAV is like crack/cocaine.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;47704024]Has anyone here read fight club? It supports the stance that the only way you can be masculine is via "manly" things like fighting and destroying things. Honestly, masculinity is not about that.[/QUOTE] Theoretically speaking being manly means having some physical traits like high testosterone. And you can indeed be manly only if you do manly things. But fight club is all about rejecting current society norms. Within these norms masculinity is indeed not about that.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47704031]Sports are considered manly because they are. You need to have a lot of manly traits to be succesful in sports. I mean you physically require them to be succesful, not because people expect you to. You can't lift 200kg without being muscular. No matter how you go about it, you can't be a lifter without at least one masculine trait. But it's exacty the same way any occupation requires some traits and has expectations, it's normal.[/QUOTE] So being muscular is a defacto manly trait? So then men who are not muscular are in your very own words here, not manly, and thus have to be considered to be less manly through the eyes of society. Again, I ask you, WHY is this a good thing for society? Being good at something is different than being masculine, except you're making the relation that being good at being muscular is a direct link to being a good man. That's kinda dumb.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47704043]It's not that men turn their hearths into stone. I've been told from young age to think before speaking and acting. When you let your emotions get the better of you, that's when you make mistakes. I have no issue sharing my problems and concerns.[/QUOTE] Except there is general culture that any man who shows any level of emotion is "not a real man". I remember hearing about a guy who got dumped by his girlfriend after he cried over granddads death because he was "acting like a boy and not a man". Men might have slightly less emotions than women in general, but they're not naturally stoic
[QUOTE=Doom14;47704041]People are scared of change. Seeing societal norms evolve scares people. And it's pretty obvious society really doesn't know how to adapt to the pace of technology. There's no prior rulebook of psychology to fall back on with concepts of internet, instant access and gratifications, etc. It's a little slice of insanity that violent video games actually lowered youth violence by providing an outlet rather than a tutorial. Long-distance relationships, and friendships, are still under a lot of study because it's a relatively new concept that a girl in Texas can have a boyfriend in England without the two ever having met in person. (So yes, it is, in slight, dumb generational fear mongering out of lack of understanding.)[/QUOTE] Dumb generational fear mongering or not, I am scared of the changes. I don't want a world of brokenback shut ins. Society is indeed scared. But it should be, it has reasons. Being a shut in is physically dangerous to you. Pro-fat tumblr people play the "society is just scared of change" card too, but that doesn't make their heart attack rates lower.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47703936]??? How are media depictions of action heroes related to Internet/videogame/porn addiction leading to young men being less social, less sexually functional, and less motivated? Did anyone actually read the article and understand what it means by masculinity? It's literally just talking about sex drive and motivation.[/QUOTE] Those are symptoms. You don't blame the drug on for addicting the drug addict, you place the blame on the addictive personality syndrome. Trying to fight these addictions won't stop them and might make them more prevalent. And because when you drag in and state a nebulous topic like masculinity, you drag in all this other shit as well.
[QUOTE=Inspector Jones;47704047]It's frustrating because I feel very out of touch with people so I don't even particularly mind being alone, which just exacerbates the situation.[/QUOTE] I've been the opposite. Video games have been a great outlet for me since, after two moves, I found it very difficult to make friends at new schools. I had a lot, previously, and was basically the defacto leader of them. Yet, it was easier to keep track of people online, continue to play games with them regardless of distance, and interact as such. I have friends I've known from other countries and states, that I've never met, who I'd absolutely trust more than some of my childhood friends. (Namely because I've known the 6+ years, too.)
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;47704062]Except there is general culture that any man who shows any level of emotion is "not a real man". I remember hearing about a guy who got dumped by his girlfriend after he cried over granddads death because he was "acting like a boy and not a man". Men might have slightly less emotions than women in general, but they're not naturally stoic[/QUOTE] God, I wish I could find this video we watched in one of my Anthropology classes. It was of a study done on American babies to find out if male babies, or female babies are more emotional. The test went like this: They'd place a mother and their child in a room together, with the mother interacting with the child and being caring and tender. Then, the mother would just stop paying attention to the baby (and iirc they left the room). On average, the female babies didn't cry or try to locate their mother, while on average the male babies cried and tried to find their mother or get her attention.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47704031]Sports are considered manly because they are. You need to have a lot of manly traits to be succesful in sports. I mean you physically require them to be succesful, not because people expect you to. You can't lift 200kg without being muscular. No matter how you go about it, you can't be a lifter without at least one masculine trait. But it's exacty the same way any occupation requires some traits and has expectations, it's normal.[/QUOTE] It's this exact mind set which is causing what the OP was talking about. If you're not some muscle bound hench then you're considered not manly enough and get treated like garbage.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47704058]So being muscular is a defacto manly trait? So then men who are not muscular are in your very own words here, not manly, and thus have to be considered to be less manly through the eyes of society. Again, I ask you, WHY is this a good thing for society? Being good at something is different than being masculine, except you're making the relation that being good at being muscular is a direct link to being a good man. That's kinda dumb.[/QUOTE] What I think is that men who reject masculinity simply do so because they THINK they can't fit in it's standards.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;47704067]Dumb generational fear mongering or not, I am scared of the changes. I don't want a world of brokenback shut ins. Society is indeed scared. But it should be, it has reasons. Being a shut in is physically dangerous to you. Pro-fat tumblr people play the "society is just scared of change" card too, but that doesn't make their heart attack rates lower.[/QUOTE] So are "brokenback shut ins" people who don't conform to your traditional view of masculinity, or are they just purely people who play videogames on the regular? Again, you make the worst fucking analogies.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;47704062]Except there is general culture that any man who shows any level of emotion is "not a real man". I remember hearing about a guy who got dumped by his girlfriend after he cried over granddads death because he was "acting like a boy and not a man". Men might have slightly less emotions than women in general, but they're not naturally stoic[/QUOTE] It's not like that at all. It's not any emotion, it's just crying.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47704058]So being muscular is a defacto manly trait? So then men who are not muscular are in your very own words here, not manly, and thus have to be considered to be less manly through the eyes of society. Again, I ask you, WHY is this a good thing for society? Being good at something is different than being masculine, except you're making the relation that being good at being muscular is a direct link to being a good man. That's kinda dumb.[/QUOTE] Men that have no manly traits are not manly. Being muscular is one of them. You can be not muscular and be manly in the eyes of people. But you should have other manly traits. Also you can be muscular and not manly. Like some muscular gay people. This is not bad for society, it's just how it works. There is no good or bad it in, it's the way of things. Society is like evolution, it just is. And you keep twisting my arguments. I never said being muscular == man and being not muscular == not man. You can be good at something or can be bad at something. It's not related to masculinity. You just can't be good at certain things without having certain traits. So if you want to be good at sports you become muscular and dominating, thus gaining the manly reputation. How is that bad?
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.