Police Brutality: Deaf Woodcarver Murdered By Cop In 5 seconds
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[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;26899364]Do you remember those days when you were just having a shitty time, and someone or something did something completely innocuous, and you just flipped a shit? Now, imagine you had a gun. Imagine that someone had a knife. Would the situation be any different?[/QUOTE]
wait are we still talking about cops
i hear about stuff like this a lot around the bay area
the other day a cop almost killed a person for carrying a broom because it looked like a gun
Even if he wasn't deaf since when is it illegal to walk around with a knife?
He was just going about his business not stabbing people
[QUOTE=Photo Shop;26899284]Life in jail please. [img_thumb]http://static.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/rainbow.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
He prob won't even lose his job.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;26899395]He prob won't even lose his job.[/QUOTE]
could you do everybody a favor and read the article before you even think about posting
he was forced to resign
[QUOTE=Doriol;26899409]could do everybody a favor and read the article before you even think about posting
he was forced to resign[/QUOTE]
I was elected to lead, not to read.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;26899420]I was elected to lead, not to read.[/QUOTE]
oh okay
[QUOTE=Doriol;26899382]wait are we still talking about cops[/QUOTE]
I was making an analogy. A particularly bad analogy, but an analogy nonetheless.
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;26899454]I was making an analogy. A particularly bad analogy, but an analogy nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
it was so bad that it's not even worth answering
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;26899364]Do you remember those days when you were just having a shitty time, and someone or something did something completely innocuous, and you just flipped a shit? Now, imagine you had a gun. Imagine that someone had a knife. Would the situation be any different if you were that cop (and those former two sentences' conditions had been fulfilled)?[/QUOTE]
This is dealing with a real situation with a real firearm that can cause fatal injuries. Do you really think a cop should be allowed to run around half cocked about something that's completely irrelevant to his job? If you're a cop and are that unstable about something like that you not be working with the police forces.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26898918]Clearly justifies shooting the guy 5 fucking times.
Not to mention the fucking arsenal of non lethals an average officer carries.[/QUOTE]
People always focus on how many shots were fired. When cops shoot, they are pretty much aiming to kill (technically they are aiming to stop, but there is no effective means of stopping someone that doesn't involve shooting for vital organs). So ultimately, the number of rounds doesn't actually matter. Chances are, even with only two in the chest, they are going to be dead before paramedics arrive anyways.
THAT SAID, this is a bullshit shooting plain and simple. A knife from a single opponent that you are expecting is not a real threat to a police officer who is armed with a multitude of less than lethal options. Especially given the fact that he wasn't responding to a call and a knife isn't a goddamn weapon any more than a pipe wrench. Yeah they can both kill people pretty well, but they are tools an overwhelming portion of the time.
Even if this was the result of a misunderstanding where the victim was misconstrued as attacking, it was a situation which should have never arose in the first place. Fire the cop, put him on trial.
I LIKE cops and this is a bullshit shooting.
Well, I would say the cop is a stupid fuck and you can only see that in the US, but since we got our first taser-kill in France (two cops taser raping some guy with two needles at once)...
[QUOTE=GunFox;26899500]People always focus on how many shots were fired. When cops shoot, they are pretty much aiming to kill (technically they are aiming to stop, but there is no effective means of stopping someone that doesn't involve shooting for vital organs). So ultimately, the number of rounds doesn't actually matter. Chances are, even with only two in the chest, they are going to be dead before paramedics arrive anyways.
THAT SAID, this is a bullshit shooting plain and simple. A knife from a single opponent that you are expecting is not a real threat to a police officer who is armed with a multitude of less than lethal options. Especially given the fact that he wasn't responding to a call and a knife isn't a goddamn weapon any more than a pipe wrench. Yeah they can both kill people pretty well, but they are tools an overwhelming portion of the time.
Even if this was the result of a misunderstanding where the victim was misconstrued as attacking, it was a situation which should have never arose in the first place. Fire the cop, put him on trial.
I LIKE cops and this is a bullshit shooting.[/QUOTE]
I understand, but it does seem relevant, no? I've defended the same point before myself, but still seems like something important, intrinsically at least. Especially due to the lack of attempt to even try to use non lethals, and the fact it's just a knife, as you said.
And yeah, this cop =/= all cops. Just a shitty cop, there are a lot of those, but to say all are is just totally stupid.
[QUOTE=Dark-Energy;26899488]This is dealing with a real situation with a firearm that can cause fatal injuries. Do you really think a cop should be allowed to run around half cocked about something that's completely irrelevant to his job? If you're a cop and are that unstable about something like that you not be working with the police forces.[/QUOTE]
No, I don't. I didn't mean to make you think that I thought (what) that the cop is utterly justified. He isn't. I'm saying that the cop could have had another, almost slightly but not really justified reason for his actions. One's opinion does not have to appear on any of the extremes.
[QUOTE=GunFox;26899500]People always focus on how many shots were fired. When cops shoot, they are pretty much aiming to kill (technically they are aiming to stop, but there is no effective means of stopping someone that doesn't involve shooting for vital organs). So ultimately, the number of rounds doesn't actually matter. Chances are, even with only two in the chest, they are going to be dead before paramedics arrive anyways.
THAT SAID, this is a bullshit shooting plain and simple. A knife from a single opponent that you are expecting is not a real threat to a police officer who is armed with a multitude of less than lethal options. Especially given the fact that he wasn't responding to a call and a knife isn't a goddamn weapon any more than a pipe wrench. Yeah they can both kill people pretty well, but they are tools an overwhelming portion of the time.
Even if this was the result of a misunderstanding where the victim was misconstrued as attacking, it was a situation which should have never arose in the first place. Fire the cop, put him on trial.
I LIKE cops and this is a bullshit shooting.[/QUOTE]
Most of the police (and not only talking of US police) basically act like cowboy/badass wannabes and cause stupid deaths/injuries for the sake of looking awesome.
And 5 bullets IS too much, even if that's shoot to kill. Being touched by a single bullet is like having a drill driven through your body, and it's already painful as hell; the cop could simply have opened fire ONCE to incapacitate the suspect (or use "safe" incapacitate weaponry), but here he clearly got himself out of control and freaked out.
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;26899553]Most of the police (and not only talking of US police) basically act like cowboy/badass wannabes and cause stupid deaths/injuries for the sake of looking awesome.
And 5 bullets IS too much, even if that's shoot to kill. Being touched by a single bullet is like having a drill driven through your body, and it's already painful as hell; the cop could simply have opened fire ONCE to incapacitate the suspect (or use "safe" incapacitate weaponry), but here he clearly got himself out of control and freaked out.[/QUOTE]
No. Some do, but not all. It's stupid to say this.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26899539]I understand, but it does seem relevant, no? I've defended the same point before myself, but still seems like something important, intrinsically at least. Especially due to the lack of attempt to even try to use non lethals, and the fact it's just a knife, as you said.[/QUOTE]
Surprisingly it's actually the single shots you have to worry about.
If people fire two or three, then there is a good chance it is training mixed with muscle memory.
If you fire more than three, there is a good chance you were panicking at the time.
Both of which are generally acceptable in a shooting situation with police officers involved. But, like civilian self-defense shootings, an excess of 3 shots can actually work generally in your favor legally. Shooting someone five or six times in the torso is indicative of panic and fear, which are both reasonable responses to being attacked. Some of the easiest self defense shootings to defend have been when the victim actually empties the entire magazine into the attacker. People will frequently continue to pull the trigger for a bit even after the attacker has fallen and the magazine has gone empty if they were totally panicking.
ONE shot however is an execution. If you have the motor control and the soundness of mind to drop someone at close range with a single pistol round, THEN the number of rounds fired really matters.
I know, I know, it's counter intuitive, but if you follow the legal logic, it makes a sick kind of sense.
[editline]23rd December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;26899553]Most of the police (and not only talking of US police) basically act like cowboy/badass wannabes and cause stupid deaths/injuries for the sake of looking awesome.
And 5 bullets IS too much, even if that's shoot to kill. Being touched by a single bullet is like having a drill driven through your body, and it's already painful as hell; the cop could simply have opened fire ONCE to incapacitate the suspect (or use "safe" incapacitate weaponry), but here he clearly got himself out of control and freaked out.[/QUOTE]
Police marksmen are the only people who are ever trained to legitimately "shoot to wound" (Even then it is almost universally going to be shoot to stop.). Everyone else will shoot to stop (kill).
You hear about the odd case of it happening, but that is most certainly NOT part of the rule book and is very much frowned upon. IF you discharge your weapon in the field as a police officer, you had better damn well be trying to kill someone.
[QUOTE=GunFox;26899641]Surprisingly it's actually the single shots you have to worry about.
If people fire two or three, then there is a good chance it is training mixed with muscle memory.
If you fire more than three, there is a good chance you were panicking at the time.
Both of which are generally acceptable in a shooting situation with police officers involved. But, like civilian self-defense shootings, an excess of 3 shots can actually work generally in your favor legally. Shooting someone five or six times in the torso is indicative of panic and fear, which are both reasonable responses to being attacked. Some of the easiest self defense shootings to defend have been when the victim actually empties the entire magazine into the attacker. People will frequently continue to pull the trigger for a bit even after the attacker has fallen and the magazine has gone empty if they were totally panicking.
ONE shot however is an execution. If you have the motor control and the soundness of mind to drop someone at close range with a single pistol round, THEN the number of rounds fired really matters.
I know, I know, it's counter intuitive, but if you follow the legal logic, it makes a sick kind of sense.
[editline]23rd December 2010[/editline]
Police marksmen are the only people who are ever trained to legitimately "shoot to wound". Everyone else will shoot to stop (kill).
You hear about the odd case of it happening, but that is most certainly NOT part of the rule book and is very much frowned upon. IF you discharge your weapon in the field as a police officer, you had better damn well be trying to kill someone.[/QUOTE]
It actually makes perfect sense when you put it like that.
[QUOTE=thisispain;26899574][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE[/media][/QUOTE]
5:50 Fallout 3 music :v:
[editline]23rd December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=GunFox;26899641]You hear about the odd case of it happening, but that is most certainly NOT part of the rule book and is very much frowned upon. IF you discharge your weapon in the field as a police officer, you had better damn well be trying to kill someone.[/QUOTE]
In France, you gotta make a whole report for every single bullet you shoot, and most of these gunshots are not even directed toward people - they are mostly directed toward the sky to intimidate people and dismiss crowds.
During the last 5 years I have heard only two incidents concerning guns in France. One of them, most recent one, is about a gendarme who shot some guy who jumped from a window to escape custody. Since the "gendarmerie" in France is basically the army, and the guy was running away, it's not really an incident.
The second one was about a policeman shooting right through a crowd of hooligans who were turning a pacifist march into a big loot of every single store in the street the event was on. He just opened fire on the crowd because people refused to walk away, and he got the job done - in three seconds, no one was around.
[editline]23rd December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26899597]No. Some do, but not all. It's stupid to say this.[/QUOTE]
Assuming you are talking about the policemen and not the guns, yep, only some do, but these are the ones who only make shit.
[QUOTE=z0nk3d;26899553]Most of the police (and not only talking of US police) basically act like cowboy/badass wannabes and cause stupid deaths/injuries for the sake of looking awesome.
And 5 bullets IS too much, even if that's shoot to kill. Being touched by a single bullet is like having a drill driven through your body, and it's already painful as hell; the cop could simply have opened fire ONCE to incapacitate the suspect (or use "safe" incapacitate weaponry), but here he clearly got himself out of control and freaked out.[/QUOTE]
yeah, everyday people wants to be police officers not because they want to help people, but because they want to act like cowboy/badass wannabes and cause stupid deaths/injuries for the sake of looking awesome.
good job generalizing, did you know an Israeli soldier killed an innocent Palestinian? I bet all Israelis are like that
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;26900454]yeah, everyday people wants to be police officers not because they want to help people, but because they want to act like cowboy/badass wannabes and cause stupid deaths/injuries for the sake of looking awesome.
good job generalizing, did you know an Israeli soldier killed an innocent Palestinian? I bet all Israelis are like that[/QUOTE]
My mistake.
Most of the police WHO MAKE THE MOST HORRENDOUS AND STUPIDEST SHITS EVER act like cowboy/badass wannabes.
Fucking spazz officer should be killed with a 7cm knife.
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So he kills a man for carrying a knife? how is that illegal in the first place?
He could have at least fired a fucking warning shot, or does he think everyone with a knife is a pro knife thrower?
[QUOTE=SgtMethane;26900646]He could have at least fired a fucking warning shot, or does he think everyone with a knife is a pro knife thrower?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SgtMethane;26900646]He could have at least fired a fucking warning shot[/QUOTE]
wat
[QUOTE=Perfumly;26900676]wat[/QUOTE]
guns are totally audible by deaf people
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;26900704]guns are totally audible by deaf people[/QUOTE]
He was only deaf in one ear fool.
[QUOTE=SgtMethane;26900646]He could have at least fired a fucking warning shot, or does he think everyone with a knife is a pro knife thrower?[/QUOTE]
You don't understand how this works, do you?
Yeah man, let's fire warning shots so we can endanger passing by civillians with possible ricochets.
[QUOTE=Moose;26900808]You don't understand how this works, do you?
Yeah man, let's fire warning shots so we can endanger passing by civillians with possible ricochets.[/QUOTE]
Fire up/down and bullets don't like to ricochet. Aren't cops trained in martial arts?
I fuckin hate cops, last time I was in a cop car they joked about shooting me.
Funny, real fuckin funny.
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