Police Brutality: Deaf Woodcarver Murdered By Cop In 5 seconds
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Hey guys, accidentally killed some dude because I thought he was threatening but wasn't. It's okay because I was scared, right?
Imagine how shit you have to feel knowing that you killed a guy that didn't hear it coming.
[QUOTE=XIII_GT;26898703]Birk, 27, was ordered to surrender his gun and badge.
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Wow, a cop actually got punished for once.
[QUOTE=thisispain;26899574][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE[/media][/QUOTE]
As soon as they started playing the race card I dismissed they guy as an idiot, not to mention a few of those shootings could be understandable if they were in the right lighting I guess, all of them probably weren't at 12:00 PM. Not justifying them, just saying I could see how they could happen.
[editline]23rd December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=rakkar;26903843]What's with the American police and the shooting all the time?
I know a police officer here in the Netherlands, who's been with the police for years, but he's never fired a bullet in a real situation. NEVER!
And this guy sees someone walk over street and shoots him five times... wtf?[/QUOTE]
I know a lot of police officers because of my Dad, he works on their cars at the County Garage, and all of them say they've never fired their gun in a real situation, most of them have been cops for 6-7 years mind you.
And about the five shots thing, go back a little and read GunFox's post.
Even if the cop [I]had [/I] to shoot him, would shooting him in the leg or something not have sufficed? It would have immobilized him and the cop was pretty close range. Why is it always shoot to kill?
[QUOTE=Kade;26905305]Even if the cop [I]had [/I] to shoot him, would shooting him in the leg or something not have sufficed? It would have immobilized him and the cop was pretty close range. Why is it always shoot to kill?[/QUOTE]
Because shooting a moving target in the legs is damned hard when you have little time to think and act and isn't necessarily gonna immobilise them (for example if they're whacked out on PCP). Cops are trained to do one thing and one thing only: shoot the centre of mass; the torso.
Shit like this is why I hold little respect for police.
[QUOTE=Mac2468;26905388]Shit like this is why I hold little respect for police.[/QUOTE]
How does one stupid cop making a mistake mean every cop is an idiot?
Besides I'm sure that every angsty teen on here that hates the police would be the first one to come crying to the police when they get mugged or carjacked. (though I guess that isn't a problem for angsty teens who live in rich neighborhoods and don't have to worry about crime affecting their lives)
Hope that fucking cop gets life in jail
[QUOTE=evilweazel;26905256]As soon as they started playing the race card I dismissed they guy as an idiot, not to mention a few of those shootings could be understandable if they were in the right lighting I guess, all of them probably weren't at 12:00 PM. Not justifying them, just saying I could see how they could happen.
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You think race doesn't play a part?
[editline]23rd December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Zeus;26905517]
Besides I'm sure that every angsty teen on here that hates the police would be the first one to come crying to the police when they get mugged or carjacked. (though I guess that isn't a problem for angsty teens who live in rich neighborhoods and don't have to worry about crime affecting their lives)[/QUOTE]
well, yeah probably considering that's their job you know. It's not really a police officers job to open fire on people for such little discrepancies
I hope the cop gets prison.
[QUOTE=Snapzies;26898858]He has a short bladed knife, you have a nightstick / baton 3 to 4 times its range, not to mention the possibility of a taser. You cannot tell me there's better ways to defuse a situation of a drunk man with a pocket knife.
Note that I'm not bashing all cops, just this guy.
Once more your job as a cop is to preserve life, not end it. So if you're a cop and the first thought that enters your head to stop a drunken older man with a tiny little knife is to put 5 rounds through him you should not be a cop.[/QUOTE]
I agree
[QUOTE=Zeus;26905517]How does one stupid cop making a mistake mean every cop is an idiot?
Besides I'm sure that every angsty teen on here that hates the police would be the first one to come crying to the police when they get mugged or carjacked. (though I guess that isn't a problem for angsty teens who live in rich neighborhoods and don't have to worry about crime affecting their lives)[/QUOTE]
It's not one stupid cop. You can't go a few weeks without hearing about a police officer killing, beating, or tazing someone without any right.
And not all cops are idiots, just most of them don't know when to stop.
US cops are triggerhappy as fuck, no surprise there.
Nothing usually happens where I live, but a couple weeks ago a couple cops together put like 15 rounds trough a kid because he was holding a toy gun in his hands.
[editline]23rd December 2010[/editline]
And I don't even live in the US.
What the [b]fuck.[/b] Absolutely sickening.
[editline]23rd December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;26898832]If someone is walking around with a knife and not responding to anything, and you have a deadly weapon, if you're like this cop, you're going to take initiative. Sometimes, people just make spur of the moment decisions and unload a round into a person, then, out of panic/adrenaline, unload four more.[/QUOTE]
I hope to god you never become a police officer.
I hope he gets a long, long prison sentence for this. This asshole had absolutely no excuse for his actions.
[QUOTE=XIII_GT;26898703]Murder[/QUOTE]
Murder would be an intentional act of killing someone without valid justification (at least, in the killer's mind - do you think that cop ran out there to shoot him just for kicks?). While this cop has no business having that kind of authority, it technically isn't murder or even "brutality." Just horrible police work.
OP's bias is sickening.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;26906538]Murder would be an intentional act of killing someone without valid justification (at least, in the killer's mind - do you think that cop ran out there to shoot him just for kicks?). While this cop has no business having that kind of authority, it technically isn't murder or even "brutality." Just horrible police work.
OP's bias is sickening.[/QUOTE]
It is murder.
[QUOTE=Jenkem;26906538]Murder would be an intentional act of killing someone without valid justification (at least, in the killer's mind - do you think that cop ran out there to shoot him just for kicks?). While this cop has no business having that kind of authority, it technically isn't murder or even "brutality." Just horrible police work.
OP's bias is sickening.[/QUOTE]
I think that riddling a deaf guy constitutes excessive use of force, which I would personally say is brutal.
There are some points I would like to make here...
Mind you, before I get into them. I am not supporting what the officer did. I'll explain my thoughts on the shooting later.
1. Taser / Baton / OC - Many of you are suggesting he should have used those three options. However, if this were a true defense scenario, I can not even begin to state how much of a bad idea this is. While tasers do wonders and OC can be a bitch, they are not sure fire ways of ending a situation in a non-lethal / less-lethal way. Even with a 'shortbladed' knife, if this guy was truly a threat, you do not mess around with blades. Period. A knife is not a fun thing to go up against and I personally would not mess around against someone with one if they attacked me. People take these items way too much for granted and the general public thinks they are some sort of super machines that will end the threat every time. This is not true. Tasers and OC have certain situations they are useful in. If you're the only officer on scene and you try to subdue someone with a gun / knife with your taser or OC, you're an idiot or very brave. You should always have lethal coverage in case the less lethal fails.
2. He was deaf. One ear. Two ears. Whatever. People are bashing the officer for not knowing he's deaf, and quite frankly I see this anytime something like this comes up. Police Officers do not have the supernatural ability to tell what your ailments are. Anytime an officer takes action on someone who's deaf, or tases someone with a heart condition...people go ballistic. It's simple. Don't mess with the police or break the law and you will not have to worry about that stuff. No one has these supernatural powers, and unless it's very obvious...it'll likely go unnoticed.
Now, on to the shooting it's self.
I viewed the tape only once and did not allow myself to review it - simply because I was trying to get the perspective of "what would you do" in this scenario without having a chance of replaying it and trying to get details.
The first thing I notice when the guy crossed the street was his board he had in his hand, then the movement of the knife. The guy appeared to not be a threat at all, in fact he appeared to be walking along without any sort of aggressive movements to show perhaps irritation nor did he appear to have any intention on using this blade upon the people around him. He appeared, quite frankly, to be that 'average Joe' on the street.
Given the officer had not received a complaint in regards of a man with a knife, if I was the officer, I would have likely followed the man at a distance a short time to determine further on his behavior and what he was doing. I likely would have not approached him and would have simply ensured his activity with the knife was peaceful in nature. If I was that concerned about him, I would have likely gotten other units into the area first before approaching.
I would blame this shooting on poor training. The officer was too jumpy and likely too scared, thus leading to the itchy trigger finger. He should have followed at a distance and waited for backup if he was this concerned about this guy. It would have likely concluded in no illegal or suspicious activity, the officer would still have a job, and this man would still be alive. He jumped way too quick to conclusions.
It's unfortunate that someone had to die as a result of all of this.
Other videos on liveleak etc. that show cops shooting suspects the cop gives like 100 warnings and normally tries to do a non lethal takedown first.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;26906664]
2. It's simple. Don't mess with the police or break the law and you will not have to worry about that stuff.[/QUOTE]
Carrying a pocket knife is totally illegal. Right.
Jesus christ. Why?
[QUOTE=Perfumly;26906758]Carrying a pocket knife is totally illegal. Right.[/QUOTE]
Did you not read the rest of my post? Of course not. I mention other scenarios, not this one in particular.
People are such nit-pickers on someone's post that it's funny. Learn to read the rest of people's posts before spouting out bullshit. :)
In some locations, however. Yes. Carrying a pocket knife is illegal. I do not agree with it, as I carry one with me all the time. But in some locations, he may have been breaking the law. If we want to get technical about this.
This cop shot a person who wasn't committing a crime.
Jail this dumb mofo.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;26906664]
1. Taser / Baton / OC - Many of you are suggesting he should have used those three options. However, if this were a true defense scenario, I can not even begin to state how much of a bad idea this is.[/QUOTE]
But it wasn't a 'true defense scenario.'
[QUOTE=HkSniper;26906814]Did you not read the rest of my post? Of course not. I mention other scenarios, not this one in particular.
People are such nit-pickers on someone's post that it's funny. Learn to read the rest of people's posts before spouting out bullshit. :)[/QUOTE]
The problem is that even if you are doing legal stuff you clearly still have to worry about this shit. Which makes your statement false.
[QUOTE=Meep Moop;26906887]But it wasn't a 'true defense scenario.'[/QUOTE]
The point went clear over your head.
[editline]23rd December 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Billiam;26906893]The problem is that even if you are doing legal stuff you clearly still have to worry about this shit. Which makes your statement false.[/QUOTE]
You do? This is not an everyday occurrence. A tragic one, but not something that you see constantly occurring.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;26906900]The point went clear over your head.
[editline]23rd December 2010[/editline]
You do? This is not an everyday occurrence. A tragic one, but not something that you see constantly occurring.[/QUOTE]
I read about this shit on the internet all day, your statement is false.
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