• Police Brutality: Deaf Woodcarver Murdered By Cop In 5 seconds
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[QUOTE=Moose;26911671]only problem being that here in america, we wear kevlar and not shitty stab vests because every mong and his mother has a glock / beretta / sig / colt / eagle / s&w revolver / .38 snubnose / walther .22 / ar-15 / m1 / m14 / remmington / AK / mp5 / uzi / ingram / usp / five-seven / and some other insane shit that uses exotic ammunition that is absolutely armor shredding. stabvest = useless[/QUOTE] Not all police are required to wear bullet proof kevlar vests on duty. They should be required to at least wear a stab vest but im doubtful of that. [Quote=Moose]stabvest = useless[/quote] Except against, you know, knifes.
kevlar is more practical, plus your average person doesnt realize that kevlar can be penetrated with a knife
[QUOTE=Moose;26911671]only problem being that here in america, we wear kevlar and not shitty stab vests because every mong and his mother has a glock / beretta / sig / colt / eagle / s&w revolver / .38 snubnose / walther .22 / ar-15 / m1 / m14 / remmington / AK / mp5 / uzi / ingram / usp / five-seven / and some other insane shit that uses exotic ammunition that is absolutely armor shredding. stabvest = useless[/QUOTE] You just had to list all of those guns to show [I]everyone[/I] how much you know about weapons.
[QUOTE=Moose;26911858]kevlar is more practical, plus your average person doesnt realize that kevlar can be penetrated with a knife[/QUOTE] I don't understand your point, who cares if the average citizen knows that kevlar can be penetrated with a knife or not? [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Micr0;26911923]You just had to list all of those guns to show [I]everyone[/I] how much you know about weapons.[/QUOTE] the funny part is a lot of those aren't even guns, they are gun brands..
[QUOTE=Doriol;26899360]dr. fishtastic inappropriately relating real life situations to video games since 2010[/QUOTE] doriol being an idiot since 2009
He was deaf in one ear, not totally deaf. And odds are he was looking AT the officer who had a GUN pointed on him. I have no opinion on this at all, not enough visual evidence for me to decide who was right and wrong.
[QUOTE=Oecleus;26912019]I don't understand your point, who cares if the average citizen knows that kevlar can be penetrated with a knife or not? [/QUOTE] im just saying if youre a dude ready to stab a cop and you see him wearing kevlar then you'd think twice
[QUOTE=Doriol;26910777]no[/QUOTE] Other than recreational purposes, yes. Are you really trying to deny that guns are made specifically as weapons, even if it's not necessarily a human that they are killing? For the record I'm Pro-gun you're just thick.
Well, I at least now know that you better not fuck with the Police, not even behind your back!
[QUOTE=MILKE;26910803]Summing this up. American law enforcement in a nutshell.[/QUOTE] Stupid statement, accidents and shit like this happens rarely.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;26912332]He was deaf in one ear, not totally deaf. And odds are he was looking AT the officer who had a GUN pointed on him. I have no opinion on this at all, not enough visual evidence for me to decide who was right and wrong.[/QUOTE] ... You're saying you have no opinion, even though someone got shot five times? For having a block of wood and a wood cutting knife? Even if the guy heard the police, he still didn't deserve to be shot. Jesus, man.
wow i never thought an video would effect me so much. that guy is a fucking wanker, he yelled three times then shot him 5 TIMES IN THE FUCKING BACK? without considering using a taser at all?! fuck what does he do for graffiti artists? jesus christ I hope this guy gets life in prison, and hopefully he'll get beaten to a fucking pulp by all the criminals who hate cops
His excuse after he shoots him to the dispatch or whatever is "he wouldn't drop the knife" not "he came at me with a knife" not "he pulled out a gun" just...that he didn't drop the knife.
[QUOTE=Mr Dinosaur;26899070]Bull fucking horse shit[/QUOTE] Hey!
Reminds me of PERP
I remember reading a similar story about a boy during WW2. He was deaf and used to go and watch the planes take off from the airfield nearby, he got shot by a guard because he didn't respond to the warning shot. :saddowns:
Going to be the devils advocate here. Lets get some stuff out of the way first. We can't see anything after they leave the frame. Only thing we get is audio - which doesn't paint a good picture as is. A normal person would know walking down the street with a knife is never a good idea. Specially in a urban environment like that. I understand he is a woodcarver but the police officer doesn't know that. He doesn't know the intent of the man. Police (in general) are victims of violence as much as any other person. Cops get shot over basic traffic tickets because some gang banger doesn't want to pay a ticket. He doesn't know if he is worked up in a frenzy and is going to use that knife to hurt someone. He sees the man with the knife, gets out the car and now they're off frame. He says drop the knife and maybe the guy just turns around and does something. The cop thinks he is going to make a move, fires his weapon. He fired shots, now most people say he fired a lot. But most people don't understand when you fire your weapon sometimes you lose count. Between being pumped because of the situation and the stress that comes along with it. I've seen some videos where cops are actually in the right and have to shoot someone and they unload a entire clip in to a guy and go and reload for some more shooting. Not because they're gun happy, but because they're going though the motions and doing so don't think about 1 bullet, 2 bullet, 3 bullet ok stop. They're thinking well shit i don't want to die. There is a point where you don't think about it and go though the motions. When you fire a weapon you're using it to kill, you shoot to kill. That is the whole point of having a gun. To kill something. Most people can be great shots because they're shooting center mass, but doing the whole hollywood overblown "shoot and disarm" trick isn't real. Sure you can do it, but expert marksmen can do that. The average run of the mill cop isn't going to be that precise. Its years of practice to becomes that good. Tons of shit could have happened with in that small period of time. Needless to say I think he should of handled the situation differently, using a mace or taser would of been much wiser. You have to be somewhat close range for mace. You don't want to get close to a guy with a knife, it might not be the cut that hurts you but what the knife could have on it. Cops who get stuck with knifes or needles have a great chance of getting infectious diseases. You have to look at the bigger risk besides getting a cut or gash. And even then depending on where you're cut it could be in some deep shit. So mace is out the window. I would think of using a taser is less risky. Specially in a urban environment. Only takes down the person you're aiming it at. But instead I think me might of panicked and went with the thing he was most comfortable. His gun. Hell he might not of even had a taser. As for the baton, a baton is just as deadly as a gun but with some control you can easily disarm someone and take them down without killing them. But that goes in to the whole "oh shit he is close to me" situation. We can speculate all day about why and what could of happened. But there is no point, he jumped the gun and really escalated the situation. He should face the full punishment for his actions. If anything take him off the job, never allow him to work for the city, state or government again. I don't think he should be charged with murder seeing and he didn't plan or intend to kill him or at least it wasn't premeditated murder. Maybe a man slaughter, Gross negligence or something. Not asking him to get away with it, but be charged with the proper charge.
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;26898832]If someone is walking around with a knife and not responding to anything, and you have a deadly weapon, if you're like this cop, you're going to take initiative. Sometimes, people just make spur of the moment decisions and unload a round into a person, then, out of panic/adrenaline, unload four more.[/QUOTE] Uh, as a cop you're kind of expected to control yourself.
[QUOTE=eatdembeanz;26899220]As I said, spur of the moment and adrenaline.[/QUOTE] Oh no! He's walking down the street perfectly calm with a small [b]KNIFE![/b] My body is being pumped full of adrenaline as the man is slowly walking down the street! I must unload five bullets into him!
What a fucking dumbass [editline]23rd December 2010[/editline] "You did the right thing" FUCKKASLFJHJKGH
If "adrenaline" is a legitimate excuse then doesn't that mean anyone convicted of second degree murder should be released from prison?
5 shots?! Also what happened to shooting in the leg, arm, etc?
[QUOTE=aydin690;26915481]5 shots?! Also what happened to shooting in the leg, arm, etc?[/QUOTE] [url]http://gothamist.com/2010/10/22/why_cant_cops_shoot_to_wound.php[/url] The assumption is if you don't intend to kill someone, you shouldn't be using your gun on them.
[QUOTE=TH89;26915568][url]http://gothamist.com/2010/10/22/why_cant_cops_shoot_to_wound.php[/url] The assumption is if you don't intend to kill someone, you shouldn't be using your gun on them.[/QUOTE] That's still dumb as fuck. When you're a cop, it's your responsibility to save lives not be trigger happy moron that shoots to kill.
[QUOTE=aydin690;26915687]That's still dumb as fuck. When you're a cop, it's your responsibility to save lives not be trigger happy moron that shoots to kill.[/QUOTE] It's not dumb as fuck. Cops aren't Navy SEALs. Lethal weapons shouldn't be used on someone you don't intend to kill.
Wow, that was fast... I believe I would have handled that situation a lot differently (if I were in the cop's shoes), rather than shooting like that. [QUOTE=MR-X;26914666]Going to be the devils advocate here. Lets get some stuff out of the way first. We can't see anything after they leave the frame. Only thing we get is audio - which doesn't paint a good picture as is. A normal person would know walking down the street with a knife is never a good idea. Specially in a urban environment like that. I understand he is a woodcarver but the police officer doesn't know that. He doesn't know the intent of the man. Police (in general) are victims of violence as much as any other person. Cops get shot over basic traffic tickets because some gang banger doesn't want to pay a ticket. He doesn't know if he is worked up in a frenzy and is going to use that knife to hurt someone. He sees the man with the knife, gets out the car and now they're off frame. He says drop the knife and maybe the guy just turns around and does something. The cop thinks he is going to make a move, fires his weapon. He fired shots, now most people say he fired a lot. But most people don't understand when you fire your weapon sometimes you lose count. Between being pumped because of the situation and the stress that comes along with it. I've seen some videos where cops are actually in the right and have to shoot someone and they unload a entire clip in to a guy and go and reload for some more shooting. Not because they're gun happy, but because they're going though the motions and doing so don't think about 1 bullet, 2 bullet, 3 bullet ok stop. They're thinking well shit i don't want to die. There is a point where you don't think about it and go though the motions. When you fire a weapon you're using it to kill, you shoot to kill. That is the whole point of having a gun. To kill something. Most people can be great shots because they're shooting center mass, but doing the whole hollywood overblown "shoot and disarm" trick isn't real. Sure you can do it, but expert marksmen can do that. The average run of the mill cop isn't going to be that precise. Its years of practice to becomes that good. Tons of shit could have happened with in that small period of time. Needless to say I think he should of handled the situation differently, using a mace or taser would of been much wiser. You have to be somewhat close range for mace. You don't want to get close to a guy with a knife, it might not be the cut that hurts you but what the knife could have on it. Cops who get stuck with knifes or needles have a great chance of getting infectious diseases. You have to look at the bigger risk besides getting a cut or gash. And even then depending on where you're cut it could be in some deep shit. So mace is out the window. I would think of using a taser is less risky. Specially in a urban environment. Only takes down the person you're aiming it at. But instead I think me might of panicked and went with the thing he was most comfortable. His gun. Hell he might not of even had a taser. As for the baton, a baton is just as deadly as a gun but with some control you can easily disarm someone and take them down without killing them. But that goes in to the whole "oh shit he is close to me" situation. We can speculate all day about why and what could of happened. But there is no point, he jumped the gun and really escalated the situation. He should face the full punishment for his actions. If anything take him off the job, never allow him to work for the city, state or government again. I don't think he should be charged with murder seeing and he didn't plan or intend to kill him or at least it wasn't premeditated murder. Maybe a man slaughter, Gross negligence or something. Not asking him to get away with it, but be charged with the proper charge.[/QUOTE] I agree 60% with you, but I still think the use of his gun (shoot to kill) was overboard... maybe a shot in his leg or something like that, but NOT 5 damn shots... I thought cops used to shoot to kill only when their lives were endangered and there was NO way they could get out of the situation, or if a suspect was completely out of control.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;26916132]Wow, that was fast... I believe I would have handled that situation a lot differently (if I were in the cop's shoes), rather than shooting like that. I agree 60% with you, but I still think the use of his gun (shoot to kill) was overboard... maybe a shot in his leg or something like that, but NOT 5 damn shots... I thought cops used to shoot to kill only when their lives were endangered and there was NO way they could get out of the situation, or if a suspect was completely out of control.[/QUOTE] The point of using a lethal weapon is to kill. You aim for center mass and nothing else. I don't know how many times it has been said or explained. This isn't the movies. You shoot at center mass if they die they die if they don't they don't. People act like the target isn't moving. But you know how hard it is to hit a moving target like an arm or leg? At least with a pistol it would be a difficult and unrealistic shot.
[QUOTE=TH89;26915807]It's not dumb as fuck. Cops aren't Navy SEALs. Lethal weapons shouldn't be used on someone you don't intend to kill.[/QUOTE] Nobody put a gun to their heads and forced them to become cops. If they can't shoot somebody in the leg in CC from behind then they should probably go find another job. Also, i would love to hear your explanation on why he shot him FIVE times instead of just shooting him once.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;26906814]Did you not read the rest of my post? Of course not. I mention other scenarios, not this one in particular. [/QUOTE] Why would you bother writing about other scenarios in a thread made to discuss this particular scenario [editline]24th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=aydin690;26915687]That's still dumb as fuck. When you're a cop, it's your responsibility to save lives not be trigger happy moron that shoots to kill.[/QUOTE] My god you are thick. Cops are trained to shoot to stop, which means aiming for vital organs. You don't shoot in the fucking leg with a lethal weapon.
[QUOTE=MR-X;26916565]This isn't the movies. You shoot at center mass if they die they die if they don't they don't. People act like the target isn't moving. But you know how hard it is to hit a moving target like an arm or leg? At least with a pistol it would be a difficult and unrealistic shot.[/QUOTE] That's just dumb. Instead of shooting him 5 times in the torso he could have aimed at his legs and at least one of those 5 shots would have hit him in the leg (unless he sucks giant balls at aiming).
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