[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;22470540]Freud was addicted to crack cocaine and thought it was a miracle cure-all for disorders such as depression and sexual impotence[/QUOTE]
Haha, oh wow.
I really love his 3 pieces of advice at the end.
I'm going to save those somewhere so I can always remember them.
I respect Hawking, he is a genius. I will still continue to believe in God though. To each his own :).
Darn I can't view the video, it does not load. Anyway.
Science and religion are two totally separate things. Essentially, religion is philosophy (and if you study the roots of any religion you'll find that is what they are based in) and there is no connection with philosophy and science. Most people seem to believe there is a big connection between the two, but if you really look at it, neither can win because it doesn't make sense for them to clash.
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;22476850]oh, and if God is all powerful, that means he knows everything before it happens. that means that really we don't have the freedom to make our own choices, everything is predetermined, so how can we be judged? and also, if god knows everything that will happen, he would be kinda like Dr. Manhatten where everything has happened to him already, and if that true, then god can't choose what to do either, so he isnt all powerful, or the current idea of god is wrong, and maybe there is a god, but he doesnt do anything, he just is[/QUOTE]
There are many different viewings of God, and if you look at the past you'll find that almost any possible belief of God is there. Some believe in predestination, some believe that God doesn't have anything to do with people's lives, some believe God intertwines with people all the time, some believe in dualism as in only good and evil, some believe that God exists as an idea, some believe that God is what Socrates believes the greater good is. There have been so many religions all differing in so many ways they interpret God to be. But for most people they seem to be able to view God from the current Christian perspective which is that he is loving and will forgive you of your sins if you ask.
All he said was that science has a better impact on people than religion. Duh. I think even religious people can agree with that.
[QUOTE=Mexican;22481179]All he said was that science has a better impact on people than religion. Duh. [B]I think even religious people can agree with that.[/B][/QUOTE]
I have hard time believing that part. Anyone who is serious about religion will reject any mention of science, since it essentially disproves their myths and legends which is what their religion is based upon.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;22471820]
He said Hawking has every reason to believe there is no god because he has a debilitating disease, I said he has every reason to believe in god because he's survived with that disease 20 times longer than anyone expected him to, and then I made a 40k reference for fun. How is that the least bit asinine[/QUOTE]
How do you know that if a god exists, it's a merciful and loving god? It might as well be the Christian one, hateful and petty.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;22470419]The fuck are you talking about? He was told when he was diagnosed he probably only had 2 or 3 years left. THAT WAS 47 YEARS AGO. If anyone has reason to believe in God it's him.
That or he's got more willpower than the rest of the human race combined and we should elect him Emperor of Mankind.[/QUOTE]
Well the emperor was physically crippled to his throne so it'd make sense.
[QUOTE=wonkadonk;22470270]Hawking is going to have a religious outcry against him[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.tankchair.com/img/img2.jpg[/img]
He'll break out that wheelchair, strap a minigun on the side of it and just blast them away.
[QUOTE=Pepin;22481124]Darn I can't view the video, it does not load. Anyway.
Science and religion are two totally separate things. Essentially, religion is philosophy (and if you study the roots of any religion you'll find that is what they are based in) and there is no connection with philosophy and science. Most people seem to believe there is a big connection between the two, but if you really look at it, neither can win because it doesn't make sense for them to clash.
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The only reason people think this is because we've all somehow been "brainwashed" by the church etc. Religions all have claims about how the universe works. Science is concerned with how the universe works. The only reason people keep trying to distance the two is because it is so painfully obvious that religions are nothing but failed hypotheses from the bronze age.
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;22476850]guns don't kill people, people kill people
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oh, and if God is all powerful, that means he knows everything before it happens. that means that really we don't have the freedom to make our own choices, everything is predetermined, so how can we be judged? and also, if god knows everything that will happen, he would be kinda like Dr. Manhatten where everything has happened to him already, and if that true, then god can't choose what to do either, so he isnt all powerful, or the current idea of god is wrong, and maybe there is a god, but he doesnt do anything, he just is[/QUOTE]
assuming two things.
1. Omniscience means knowing absolutely everything rather than everything that is possible to be known.
2. The universe is determined, and thus the outcome is set.
[QUOTE=Redsun;22470310]Stephen Hawking has contributed so much to science and astronomy. :science:[/QUOTE]
Assuming, of course, society doesn't collapse first in which case religion would start reining supreme again
I support this man.
Yeah but Stephen hawking is clearly not a paedophile, many of the priest in the catholic church on the other hand?
With this perspective i just think catholic church have been allowed to go on too long, just like Scientology its a business.
He's practically got his own following though - at what point does non-belief become a belief in itself? Anyone who just doesn't care is probably doing a better job tham going "LOOK I DON'T BELIEVE YOU FAGGOTS I HATE YOU ALL AND YOUR BELIEFS AND YOU SUCK DICKS AND I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU". Why make a song and a dance about it? Just forget about it and get on with it. It's just ridiculous.
Science and Religion aren't (or shouldn't be) on the same plane of interest.
It's like comparing Socialism and Democracy - one is economical principle and other is political.
People who directly put one of them against the other one are retarded, regardless of which side they are on.
[QUOTE=markg06;22482838][img]http://www.tankchair.com/img/img2.jpg[/img]
He'll break out that wheelchair, strap a minigun on the side of it and just blast them away.[/QUOTE]
That shit must guzzle sauce like a german whore during 2006 FIFA World Cup.
[QUOTE=yellowoboe;22477449]I'm sorry.
What?[/QUOTE]
It is, also people with crushed testicles aren't allowed in a church.
Seriously I swear to fuck I'm nt making this up, I think it's in Deuteronomy 22.
EDIT: Also whoever said science and philosophy are unrelated, you really need to look into M theory.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;22485169]Science and Religion aren't (or shouldn't be) on the same plane of interest.
It's like comparing Socialism and Democracy - one is economical principle and other is political.
People who directly put one of them against the other one are retarded, regardless of which side they are on.[/QUOTE]
It's like comparing good theories (evolution, Big Bang etc.) with bad hypotheses (gods)
Does either side have to 'win'?
Can't people just be left alone to believe what they want?
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;22485750]Does either side have to 'win'?
Can't people just be left alone to believe what they want?[/QUOTE]
No because it is in our nature to meddle with others business.
Since when?
20% of the US population believes that the world will end in their lifetime and that it is a good thing. That shit is really fucking dangerous. What if some of these people got nuclear weapons?
[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;22485750]Does either side have to 'win'?
Can't people just be left alone to believe what they want?[/QUOTE]
Yup I'm gonna be the guy who does it.
Why believe in something that has absolutely no evidence for it, and you're expected to just believe that if you don't obey these 10 special rules then you get to rot and burn in sulphur for ever, and you can never be told or shown otherwise because your god says that you need to have faith.
I've asked a fair few religious folk about why murder is wrong, and the answer I get every time is "because god says it's wrong." If your morality is decided by some being that may or may not exist, or you have to be kept in line by the fear of eternal torment, then there's something very wrong.
what is the point of this thread, to convince us that religion is more realistic than science? Ok, then what?
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[QUOTE=sp00ks;22485776]20% of the US population believes that the world will end in their lifetime and that it is a good thing. That shit is really fucking dangerous. What if some of these people got nuclear weapons?[/QUOTE]
Crap... Thats scary.
WBC kills Hawking.
[QUOTE=Dr Nick;22485935]WBC kills Hawking.[/QUOTE]
Over the bodies of an army of physicists and science fanatics.
[QUOTE=Dr Nick;22485935]WBC kills Hawking.[/QUOTE]
*WBC makes colorful signs with the text: "God hates Hawking"
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22486056]*WBC makes colorful signs with the text: "God hates Hawking"[/QUOTE]
I can see it now.
They'll be all like "IF YOU SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE YOU TURN INTO A CRIPPLE".
;_; what has this world become
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