Well there's C&C Generals, where, iirc, the Chinese won in the end.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33493761]But russians do enjoy playing as americans...[/QUOTE]
Thats why I said " I would think". I have honestly no idea, so I am not going to completely assume something.
They should have set it in the actual Iran war that might really happen, and thrown up moral questions about US foreign policy and all that great shit
They could still have made it a bit Michael Bay if they had to, by setting it after Iran develops a nuke or something
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;33493651]That's not the point, because in most games that portray Americans, its 99% of the time that the Americans are the protagonists, and at the same time, portray other nationalities, most commonly Russians, Chinese, etc., as "cold heartless bastards" in a sense.
It doesn't have to do so much with multiplayer because multiplayer is just players vs. players, but it has everything to do with the game in question and how they portray characters and their nationalities.[/QUOTE]
In Prototype the Blackwatch Military use the US Marines as scapegoats and ultimately try to destroy New York City with a Nuclear Bomb. In Half-Life the US Marines are sent in to kill all the personnel working for Black Mesa in an attempt to silence them. In Dead Rising again Special Forces attempt to execute civilians as part of their clean up operation. And in the Fallout Universe, the US annex Canada and some speculate even [I]started[/I] the Nuclear War, and the genocide doesn't stop there as the Enclave (remnants of the government) attempt to clean the wasteland of anyone "contaminated", multiple times.
I know those aren't really War Games, but they are examples of the US being the bad guys.
Boohoo killing "iranian" pixels, how awfull...
[QUOTE=N-12_Aden;33493778]Thats why I said " I would think". I have honestly no idea, so I am not going to completely assume something.[/QUOTE]I am not Russian but I live close and what I can tell is that I much rather enjoy playing as fictional characters. Playing glorious american soldier hero feels kinda stupid to me because I am not patriotic about America.
[quote]We understand that the story of a videogame is hypothetical ... (but) we believe the game is purposely released at a time when the US is pushing the international community into fearing Iran,[/quote]
Oh yes, because BF3 is clearly pointing out how scary Iran is (isn't the US fighting some resistance and not the actual Iranian military?) and the Swedish developers totally want everyone to fear Iran.
Things like this, and censoring, are so stupid. Are these countries really so fearful that their citizens are so unstable that playing a video game will have horrid results? Besides, banning the game in Iran won't prevent the rest of the world from playing BF3 and becoming convinced that Iran is scary.
[QUOTE=dass;33493822]Boohoo killing "iranian" pixels, how awfull...[/QUOTE]Boohoo pixels can form images. Boohoo pedos sharing pixels. Should be ok right?
Pretty ironic that there's so much tension between Iran and Israel / US as well.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33493887]Boohoo pixels can form images. Boohoo pedos sharing pixels. Should be ok right?[/QUOTE]
It isn't exactly the same when said pixels form a REAL face. They are always from someone who is real.
BF3 is a game. Nothing real about it, so why even complain about it? Its not like they include real life names that belong to anyone even...
It prolly was another move by Activision to remove its concurrent.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;33493358]I don't blame DICE for using the cliche "we atak the midle east at dawn" storyline, but what would we be doing if Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Russia, were all putting out huge multimillion dollar hit games where you stab Americans from behind and call them a motherfucker?[/QUOTE]
Playing it. Playing the fuck out of it.
Also, on a somewhat random yet related note, Iran banned Milos Forman's 1984 film Amadeus starring Tom Hulce and F. Murray Abraham for some reason.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;33493548]I believe there was, titled "Special Forces" It was released by Hezbollah and it takes place during the Israeli occupation of Lebanon, but it got banned in most parts in the world afaik.
EDIT: Yup, here's a Kotaku article on their sequal
[url]http://kotaku.com/290622/hezbollah-launches-special-force-2[/url]
[release]Finally the sequel gamers around one tiny part of the world have been waiting for. After wowing players with 2003's Special Force, which featured Hezbollah fighters defending against Israeli attacks, Hezbollah computer experts strike back with Special Force 2. The game, released yesterday, recreates key events of last year's 34-day conflict between Israel and the guerrilla group.[/release][/QUOTE]
I didn't mind the fact that it was about shooting Israelis, I actually want a game that depicts the Arab-Israeli conflict properly, a game that depicts the six-day war from both sides and the Yom Kippur war from both sides would be fucking awesome.
"Special Forces" was kind of shitty though.
Heh...he mentioned steam when talking about bf3
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[QUOTE=Glorbo;33494787]I didn't mind the fact that it was about shooting Israelis, I actually want a game that depicts the Arab-Israeli conflict properly, a game that depicts the six-day war from both sides and the Yom Kippur war from both sides would be fucking awesome.
"Special Forces" was kind of shitty though.[/QUOTE]
Special Force or whatever (if the following video is actually it) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpnGQkdnTVA[/media]
Looks like MW2 but really unpolished and low budget
I'd love to see a game where for example the CIA tries to establish power in the Philipine Islands by financing and training Anti-Chinese pirates and human trafficers.
You are playing a Chinese agent who is not too fond of the system as he knows that Capitalism and Communism are both just used by the bad boys. He grew up with it and so he grew to live with it. Sitting in between, he does his best to uphold peace by trying to help the people themselves too.
A game that shows how the "peace bringers" that call themselves US can also be seen as war driving bastards in the areas they "liberate".
[QUOTE=dass;33494306]It isn't exactly the same when said pixels form a REAL face. They are always from someone who is real.
BF3 is a game. Nothing real about it, so why even complain about it? Its not like they include real life names that belong to anyone even...[/QUOTE]
They still form an identity. If you're killing Iranians in a game you may not be killing a specific person but they're still portrayed as a disposable enemy aligned to a certain race/nationality. It's even worse that they're not named, it's kind of dehumanising. I can totally understand Iran being annoyed at being painted a target by such a big cultural export of the US. Millions of people (particularly teenagers) around the world are going to play it and of course not everyone will think that Iran is a major enemy of the west but it's not that clear that the game is all fantasy.
I am going to make a game were the Middle East wins.
Then you get to dance on American's bodies, and rape their women.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33493887]Boohoo pixels can form images. Boohoo pedos sharing pixels. Should be ok right?[/QUOTE]
Gaming is equal to Pedophilia.
M'kay
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;33493661]Guys guys, multiplayer does not count. It's obvious one side will be american because it's good vs bad guys. It would make no sense if russian spetsnaz was fighting russian military.
Also games like gta and such don't count too because you're not a soldier there, you're just a random criminal killing random people.
Give me a game where you play as russian/chinese/iraq soldier and kill americans.[/QUOTE]
The World in Conflict add on campaign and it actually makes the U.S.S.R. seem like good guys and the U.S. like bad guys.
[QUOTE=Clementine;33495052]Heh...he mentioned steam when talking about bf3
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Special Force or whatever (if the following video is actually it) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpnGQkdnTVA[/media]
Looks like MW2 but really unpolished and low budget[/QUOTE]
ummmm that isn't the game, this is [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECJHi7DyeJc[/media]
But you're all missing the point. No game (sold in the U.S. and geared towards a U.S. audience) would sell well because not as many people would want to play it. Name all the big Russian, Chinese, and Middle Eastern game developers. Now name the big American ones. See?
[QUOTE=bobsynergy;33498616]ummmm that isn't the game, this is [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECJHi7DyeJc[/media][/QUOTE]
Haha, that looks like a simplified and slightly updated Delta Force game.
I wonder if they banned Arma II yet in Iran
I thought BF3 was pretty controversial enough, with a first-person perspective of militants and insurgents slashing throat
Makes me wish there was a game like BF3 where you can take the role of the natives. Story cutscenes of family, wife and daughter cowering in fear while US drones explode outside their concrete home.
i dont get all this 'im not american so i dont want to play as an american' stuff
its just a game where you shoot people, who cares what nationality you are
this isnt me being indifferent because theres so many games, its just that it doesnt matter at all.
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[QUOTE=sHiBaN;33499022]I thought BF3 was pretty controversial enough, with a first-person perspective of militants and insurgents slashing throat
Makes me wish there was a game like BF3 where you can take the role of the natives. Story cutscenes of family, wife and daughter cowering in fear while US drones explode outside their concrete home.[/QUOTE]
yeah that would be so fun. quicktime events where you have to keep your breathing steady and quiet so the horrible terrorist americans don't hear you and slaughter you as they patrol the wreckage
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[QUOTE=Kazumi;33498707]Haha, that looks like a simplified and slightly updated Delta Force game.[/QUOTE]
please dont compare that piece of crap to delta force, that game was amazing.
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[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;33498627]But you're all missing the point. No game (sold in the U.S. and geared towards a U.S. audience) would sell well because not as many people would want to play it. Name all the big Russian, Chinese, and Middle Eastern game developers. Now name the big American ones. See?[/QUOTE]
not to mention fox news condemned mw2 because you play as a terrorist in that one level or something
[QUOTE=Kung Fu Jew;33499051]
yeah that would be so fun. quicktime events where you have to keep your breathing steady and quiet so the horrible terrorist americans don't hear you and slaughter you as they patrol the wreckage[/QUOTE]
I don't know why developers haven't stepped up to the plate yet. Perhaps fear of government reprisal? It would be a horrifying experience to play as an insurgent character. If MW2 could do it, why not the controversial topic?
Imagine your friend Hallak get blown up by a US Barrett .50cal while you have to navigate a concrete jungle, careful not to be shot by the 1-mile sniper in order to safely get to your daughter and wife. Time-trial to gun it to your house to save your family before explosive artillery and kill-everything-moving USMC get to them. Defend your hometown from the invading army and play the story of a martyr for a cause he believes in. Cliffhanger ending where your co-worker tells you to go on and evacuate while he awaits the Humvee convoy to detonate IED. Would make for interesting story and perspective maybe?
In other news, today is November 29th.
If it was well made and not some cheap piece of shit, I would definately play a game where you play as the "bad guys" and kill American or British soldiers. It would make a nice change.
[QUOTE=Fort83;33499824]I really would like to see a FPS war game of Canada vs U.S, showing the United states as the enemy.[/QUOTE]
while theyre at it they should make one where the us invades san marino or iceland
the game has to be somewhat reasonable, one of the main reasons that russia/china/iran are usually bad guys is that those are the only other countries with big armies. youre not going to make a game where you launch an amphibious assault against sealand or whatever.
EA did not really care about the game being sold in Iran anyways, apparently battlelog blocks Iranian IP's from using it anyways.
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