[QUOTE=catbarf;47950255]I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but if you don't want to argue you can just say so. Responding to a sourced argument with strawmanning and insults and then justifying it with 'whatever you're not worth my time anyways' is the sort of thing that gets normal members banned for shitposting.[/QUOTE]
I'm not really in defense of BDA but I think he's trying to push the burden of proof on to people who want to break the status quo, which has [I]some[/I] right and wrong to it.
It's been heavily established, at least from what I've learned, that racism separates people with housing, with income, and with communities. I've yet to hear otherwise. Even when looking at things from a socioeconomic view, things point to racism, as I mentioned in my post. To suggest that racism doesn't have a part in it is a really bold statement to make, which is contrary to what a lot of us have been taught throughout school, which means you've gotta step up to the plate with some evidence for it.
I kinda understand why he wouldn't want to argue something that's already established and set in stone.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47951585]To suggest that racism doesn't have a part in it is a really bold statement to make, which is contrary to what a lot of us have been taught throughout school, which means you've gotta step up to the plate with some evidence for it.[/QUOTE]
It's a good thing no one has argued for that.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;47938570]So why do we even still need the NAACP? Segregation is long gone, they've achieved their goal, black people are normal, functioning members of society.[/QUOTE]
Racism may not be as high as it used to be, but you'd have to be naive to think it still doesn't exist and plagues society.
[QUOTE=sgman91;47951741]It's a good thing no one has argued for that.[/QUOTE]
What are you arguing for then? It sounds like you guys are saying there's an alternative socioeconomic factor for white flight that isn't racism.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47956535]It sounds like you guys are saying there's an alternative socioeconomic factor for white flight that isn't racism.[/QUOTE]
He's been arguing that socioeconomic factors outweighed racism in causing the 'white flight' effect. He's never said that racism didn't exist, only that it wasn't the primary cause of the economic divide that led to the current situation. He gave studies to support his argument.
Also,
[quote]To suggest that racism doesn't have a part in it is a really bold statement to make, which is contrary to what a lot of us have been taught throughout school, which means you've gotta step up to the plate with some evidence for it.[/quote]
That's pretty much what he did, you can see the studies he linked to on the previous page. Nobody has seriously replied to them and I'm not holding out hope at this point.
before, there was transgender.
Now, there is transracial.
I just wonder what is gonna be next.
transspecies?
[QUOTE=Ceil;47956747]before, there was transgender.
Now, there is transracial.
I just wonder what is gonna be next.
transspecies?[/QUOTE]
No, there's transgender, then crazy people who think they're black, then crazy people who think they're dogs
Gender dysphoria is real, racial/species dysphoria is not.
Am I the only one that finds it weird that someone was outed as being white? It was less than a hundred years ago where you could be white and still be lynched for being a "niggerblood" like in [I]Light in August[/I]
[QUOTE=Dr.C;47956772]Am I the only one that finds it weird that someone was outed as being white? It was less than a hundred years ago where you could be white and still be lynched for being a "niggerblood" like in [I]Light in August[/I][/QUOTE]
That's not why she's being outed. She's being outed for lying and manipulating people.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47956657]He's been arguing that socioeconomic factors outweighed racism in causing the 'white flight' effect. He's never said that racism didn't exist, only that it wasn't the primary cause of the economic divide that led to the current situation. He gave studies to support his argument.
Also,
That's pretty much what he did, you can see the studies he linked to on the previous page. Nobody has seriously replied to them and I'm not holding out hope at this point.[/QUOTE]
No one responded to what I brought in either.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47956535]What are you arguing for then? It sounds like you guys are saying there's an alternative socioeconomic factor for white flight that isn't racism.[/QUOTE]
A lot of the jobs left during the crash in domestic manufacturing and people will move when that happens. The second great migration happening around the same time was mainly a coincidence and they were moving to areas where the money was already in the process of leaving. Places like the Rust belt still haven't recovered except for outliers like Pittsburgh, and that's where a lot of the "White Flight" ended up happening.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47956535]What are you arguing for then? It sounds like you guys are saying there's an alternative socioeconomic factor for white flight that isn't racism.[/QUOTE]
Wealth.
[QUOTE=27X;47957881]Wealth.[/QUOTE]
Wealth is affected partially by racism as a factor.
The recession affects different classes and brackets differently, and minorities face higher tension as a result.
[QUOTE=sgman91;47944400]Is there any real evidence that white people moved out because they were racist and didn't want to live by black people as opposed to moving out because of the changing culture and growth of suburbia?[/QUOTE]
It was probably one of the factors. Possibly one of the bigger ones. Though another thing to consider is that it's an insider outsider thing. It happens fairly often. There's multiple newcomers to an established community, first members leave, which in turns creates more openings for the outsiders to enter.
As a result you have a dwindling population of "insiders" who prefer to move to groups they find closer kinship to.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47956761]No, there's transgender, then crazy people who think they're black, then crazy people who think they're dogs
Gender dysphoria is real, racial/species dysphoria is not.[/QUOTE]
Eh that racial dysphoria is questionable. it's not as much wrong race, but wrong culture. You kinda see it all the time. Not to this extent of course.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;47958225]It was probably one of the factors. Possibly one of the bigger ones. Though another thing to consider is that it's an insider outsider thing. It happens fairly often. There's multiple newcomers to an established community, first members leave, which in turns creates more openings for the outsiders to enter.
As a result you have a dwindling population of "insiders" who prefer to move to groups they find closer kinship to.
Eh that racial dysphoria is questionable. it's not as much wrong race, but wrong culture. You kinda see it all the time. Not to this extent of course.[/QUOTE]
Culture isn't exactly the same as race, though. Like, if someone wishes they were part of another culture, that's different then wanting to be black or latino.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47958062]Wealth is affected partially by racism as a factor.
The recession affects different classes and brackets differently, and minorities face higher tension as a result.[/QUOTE]
I'm aware they're inter-related, but it's also a very flat, very very large determinant, sometimes moreso than race.
[QUOTE=wauterboi;47958062]Wealth is affected partially by racism as a factor.
The recession affects different classes and brackets differently, and minorities face higher tension as a result.[/QUOTE]
You can be specific when you say Minorities. If it applies mainly to Black people or Hispanics, don't be broad about it. Asians, Indian Subcontinentals, and Middle Easterners are among the richest demographics in the USA and they're "Minorities".
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47959284]Culture isn't exactly the same as race, though. Like, if someone wishes they were part of another culture, that's different then wanting to be black or latino.[/QUOTE]
wraithcat's saying that while some people might not literally want to be black, they might somehow identify more with black culture. It's less about the skin tone and more with the type of person that society typically links to said skin tone. It's not unlike being a weeaboo.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47959284]Culture isn't exactly the same as race, though. Like, if someone wishes they were part of another culture, that's different then wanting to be black or latino.[/QUOTE]
culture and ethnicity are so entwined, that a lot of people feel you have to be a certain ethnicity in order to take part in the culture.
Otherwise we wouldn't have terms like culture appropriation or "black culture" "things white people like" and a lot of other things.
It's not that dissimilar to how gender disphoria is often based around gender roles and accepted behaviour for one or the other gender as well.
The reasoning for trying to find yourself in a different culture are probably significantly different medically from gender disphoria, but if culture and ethnicity merge on some niveau.... I'd wager that trying to identify with a different culture is psychological in nature, whereas gender disphoria is generally neurophysiological.
I'm just not even surprised this is what Spokane gets in the news for. I mean its better than meth or that one parking garage thing that made its way to our local station in cambridge somehow but still
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