California Coaches + Teacher Suspended for wearing blackface - Polidicks

I don't see anyone pitching a steaming shit about White Chicks. There's more to black face than just black make up. All these guys did was dress up as Jamaican Bobsledders in a completely respectable way.

[QUOTE=archangel125;42736438]They're teachers. Being suspended for that was only just. And if they can't understand why the whole blackface thing was out of line, given that racism isn't dead and gone in society yet, they probably deserve it.[/QUOTE] Yeah they're teachers so what? They didn't come to school wearing it. They didn't make fun of anyone directly or on purpose. Some douche saw this as offensive and the school buckled and suspended them.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42736588]Yeah they're teachers so what? They didn't come to school wearing it. They didn't make fun of anyone directly or on purpose. Some douche saw this as offensive and the school buckled and suspended them.[/QUOTE] It's not 'some douche saw this as offensive', the gesture itself was inherently offensive. And it displays extremely poor judgment and possible racial bias, something that should never, ever be found in someone educating young children. Stop crying about it and think.

[QUOTE=archangel125;42736628]It's not 'some douche saw this as offensive', the gesture itself was inherently offensive. And it displays extremely poor judgment and possible racial bias, something that should never, ever be found in someone educating young children. Stop crying about it and think.[/QUOTE] Well you're going to have to accept that I will never see it that way. These people should not have been suspended from work. I don't care what you or anyone else says. You are reading way too much into this. The act of putting makeup on your face is not racist, being racist is racist. I don't see the poor judgement and I sure as hell don't see any racial bias. It was a costume, and you are an oversensitive douche.

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;42735132]So does this mean Michael Jackson was racist because he bleached his skin white?[/QUOTE] But Jackson had a skin disease that caused a loss of pigmentation

"as a white dude, this does not offend me at all, therefore it should offend nobody! it's not racist cause i said so!"

Who cares. Oh no their costume that they wore at a party I wasn't at offended my morals!

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42736852]"as a white dude, this does not offend me at all, therefore it should offend nobody! it's not racist cause i said so!"[/QUOTE] Actually, I think I'm in a pretty good position to judge racism since I was adopted into a black family at a very young age. Being the only white kid in family/school/neighborhood full of black people gives you a taste of racism from time to time.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42736667]Well you're going to have to accept that I will never see it that way. These people should not have been suspended from work. I don't care what you or anyone else says. You are reading way too much into this. The act of putting makeup on your face is not racist, being racist is racist. I don't see the poor judgement and I sure as hell don't see any racial bias. It was a costume, and you are an oversensitive douche.[/QUOTE] Because coaches and educators have an obligation to their employers and their students to set an appropriate example, even outside of their place of employment. Blackface is obviously still a highly, understandably contentious issue and there is still a stigma around even attempting it due to its highly publicised association with racism in the entertainment. Attempting blackface, whether it was a light-hearted joke or not, is still a massive lapse of judgement from those educators due to their position of responsibility. The fact that it was done in public and that there were photos uploaded to Facebook doesn't help their case at all.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42736994]Actually, I think I'm in a pretty good position to judge racism since I was adopted into a black family at a very young age. Being the only white kid in family/school/neighborhood full of black people gives you a taste of racism from time to time.[/QUOTE] so is this the part where you insert an online anecdote we can't confirm to justify your opinion that just because you're not personally offended, nobody should be??

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42736994]Actually, I think I'm in a pretty good position to judge racism since I was adopted into a black family at a very young age. Being the only white kid in family/school/neighborhood full of black people gives you a taste of racism from time to time.[/QUOTE] frozensoda spokesman for black people everywhere

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;42737015]Because coaches and educators have an obligation to their employers and their students to set an appropriate example, even outside of their place of employment. Blackface is obviously still a highly, understandably contentious issue and there is still a stigma around even attempting it due to its highly publicised association with racism in the entertainment. Attempting blackface, whether it was a light-hearted joke or not, is still a [B]massive lapse of judgement from those educators[/B] due to their position of responsibility. The fact that it was done in public and that there were photos uploaded to Facebook doesn't help their case at all.[/QUOTE] The bolded part is what I'm arguing about, not the personal feelings of people about blackface. Fucking your student, hitting a student, or outright using a racial slur against a student is a massive lapse of judgement. Distasteful jokes to your friends outside of school is not a massive lapse of judgement, and frankly it's none of the schools business. [editline]2nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;42737061]frozensoda spokesman for black people everywhere[/QUOTE] also I didn't say that, I just said that I know what racism feels like, and this just isn't it. It's actually so petty that I think it detracts from the seriousness of the issue.

its like arguing that putting on a nazi swastika armband is just wearing a piece of fabric therefore it isn't racist nor should it offend anybody "its just an armband, why are jews getting offended??? it detracts from the seriousness of the issue of anti-semitism!"

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42737110]its like arguing that putting on a nazi swastika armband is just wearing a piece of fabric therefore it isn't racist nor should it offend anybody "its just an armband, why are jews getting offended??? it detracts from the seriousness of the issue of anti-semitism!"[/QUOTE] No, this is like firing someone for wearing a navy blue armband because a nazi armband was also made from cotton and worn on the arm. they had no intention of being racist.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42737064]The bolded part is what I'm arguing about, not the personal feelings of people about blackface. Fucking your student, hitting a student, or outright using a racial slur against a student is a massive lapse of judgement. Distasteful jokes to your friends outside of school is not a massive lapse of judgement, and frankly it's none of the schools business.[/QUOTE] Yes it is the school's business because the teachers represent their school. When you're a coach or a teacher, your representation doesn't end with the school day. As an educator, anything remotely stupid that you do (no matter what it is you've done) can have serious repercussions for the school you work for.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42737127]No, this is like firing someone for wearing a navy blue armband because a nazi armband was also made from cotton and worn on the arm. they had no intention of being racist.[/QUOTE] what does it matter they had no intention of being racist when said action is racist??? in fact, your analogy of navy blue armband one is so far off it hurts lol anyone with basic education on history knows for a fact that blackface has been historically used to dehumanize africans, to mock them and reinforce the idea they're dumb animals, they're teachers, they should have known it was racist it's exactly like putting on a nazi armband without having the intention of being racist sorry but, just because you're not offended doesn't mean no one else would be

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42737178]what does it matter they had no intention of being racist when said action is racist??? in fact, your analogy of navy blue armband one is so far off it hurts lol anyone with basic education on history knows for a fact that blackface has been historically used to dehumanize africans, to mock them and reinforce the idea they're dumb animals, they're teachers, they should have known it was racist it's exactly like putting on a nazi armband without having the intention of being racist sorry but, just because you're not offended doesn't mean no one else would be[/QUOTE] I said they shouldn't have been suspended, not that it doesn't offend some people. and just as a note only a couple of my family members who are African American are offended by blackface inherently, and they are oversensitive douches. The character that people are thinking about when they hear "blackface" is racist as hell, but that doesn't automatically mean that painting your face is inherently racist. Any more than nazi's using armbands makes wearing any armband inherently racist.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42737204]I said they shouldn't have been suspended, not that it doesn't offend some people.[/QUOTE] Teachers are supposed to set an example inside an outside of school. When they do this, word gets out and reinforces to students that it's okay to dress up as another race for a fucking laugh so yes, they should have been suspended

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42737204]I said they shouldn't have been suspended, not that it doesn't offend some people.[/QUOTE] it offends people because blackfacing is widely known to be a racist thing, teachers did a racist thing which the school is against, and they got suspended to tell everyone that blackfacing is racist & shouldn't be accepted i dont see what the problem here is though, as you said, nothing will ever convince you otherwise, you can't understand why blackfacing is racist so i don't know what more i can say

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42737127]No, this is like firing someone for wearing a navy blue armband because a nazi armband was also made from cotton and worn on the arm. they had no intention of being racist.[/QUOTE] The problem with this analogy is that a navy blue armband has no connotation to Nazism though. Blackface still maintains the connotation of racism.

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;42737110]its like arguing that putting on a nazi swastika armband is just wearing a piece of fabric therefore it isn't racist nor should it offend anybody "its just an armband, why are jews getting offended??? it detracts from the seriousness of the issue of anti-semitism!"[/QUOTE] As much as I agree with free speech, wearing something for the sake of offending people and reminding them of when their people were oppressed is pretty fucking stupid.

i was planning to dress up as obama for a party this halloween, who gives a shit? i have a feeling some people here would be those that would come up to me mid-party and tell me that their morally offended and what i'm doing is wrong, all the while not a single black dude there gives a damn. you're missing the point of dressing up for halloween. it's supposed to be scary or funny, when i'm thinking of what to dress up as, racism doesn't come into my mind, period. isn't the definition of racism "to distinguish a race inferior or superior to another race or races." so why the fuck would it be racist to dress up as the god damn jamaican bobsled team i'm not going to go out and dress up as the KKK or attempt to be blatantly racist, and i probably wouldn't do the blackface either. 70 years ago nearly everything in the USA was racially segregated, and racism is still a big problem, yet i don't see you going up to gang bangers and telling them to stop shooting white people, or the KKK and telling them to stop discriminating yet here we are debating racism on fucking halloween costumes. go out and do whatever the hell you want

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;42737263]The problem with this analogy is that a navy blue armband has no connotation to Nazism though. Blackface still maintains the connotation of racism.[/QUOTE] In my opinion, no it doesn't. Putting on black makeup, [B]and then making a bunch of ridiculously racist jokes[/B] has a connotation of racism.

[QUOTE=ReFreshe;42734791]if you don't understand why this is offensive and racist, then you are a racist.[/QUOTE] To me it depends - did they try to look like a specific black character? - not racist. Did they try to look like some cliche black person - potentially racist.

[QUOTE=TrulliLulli;42737271]i was planning to dress up as obama for a party this halloween, who gives a shit? i have a feeling some people here would be those that would come up to me mid-party and tell me that their morally offended and what i'm doing is wrong, all the while not a single black dude there gives a damn. you're missing the point of dressing up for halloween. it's supposed to be scary or funny, when i'm thinking of what to dress up as, racism doesn't come into my mind, period. isn't the definition of racism "to distinguish a race inferior or superior to another race or races." so why the fuck would it be racist to dress up as the god damn jamaican bobsled team i'm not going to go out and dress up as the KKK or attempt to be blatantly racist, and i probably wouldn't do the blackface either. 70 years ago nearly everything in the USA was racially segregated, and racism is still a big problem, yet i don't see you going up to gang bangers and telling them to stop shooting white people, or the KKK and telling them to stop discriminating yet here we are debating racism on fucking halloween costumes. go out and do whatever the hell you want[/QUOTE] dressing up as obama isn't racist, blackfacing is didnt any history or social studies class ever teach you guys what the fuck blackfacing is [editline]2nd November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=frozensoda;42737309]In my opinion, no it doesn't. Putting on black makeup, [B]and then making a bunch of ridiculously racist jokes[/B] has a connotation of racism.[/QUOTE] you heard it here folks, as long you don't SAY anything racist, it's not racist put on your nazi swatiskas, as long you don't say anything racist, you're not being a nazi

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42737309]In my opinion, no it doesn't. Putting on black makeup, [B]and then making a bunch of ridiculously racist jokes[/B] has a connotation of racism.[/QUOTE] So now you're implying that blackfacing alone has no connotation to racism at all?

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;42734747]People still do this in 2013?[/QUOTE] In my town festival two years ago all the old people went blackface because the theme was "african safari". [I]Admittedly that was 2011, but still...[/I]

Whatever you know what I'm saying but you're intentionally misinterpreting it so you can make witty comments. peace out thread.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42737401]Whatever you know what I'm saying but you're intentionally misinterpreting it so you can make witty comments. peace out thread.[/QUOTE] No, they're being interpreted pretty well. You're just playing the "but you're not reading my posts right!!!" card and then refusing to explain yourself.

[QUOTE=frozensoda;42737401]Whatever you know what I'm saying but you're intentionally misinterpreting it so you can make witty comments. peace out thread.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://www.gq.com/blogs/the-q/ANSE-Klansmen_(Great_Titan_of_the_Invisible_Empire_III)_1990.jpg[/IMG] "hey guys, why are you offended??? this is just a piece of fabric and as long i don't say any racist jokes, this isn't racist at all! im not intending to be racist!!"