[QUOTE=Raidyr;50784350]but
but we aren't buying what the media is selling
we are watching the statement itself, it's just him talking
my opinion: if every time Trump says something dumb you have to suggest that he was being sarcastic or trolling that is just a desperate form of damage control.[/QUOTE]
I am not going to debate you, because the first thing you do is assume moral high ground, and leave no place for actual discussion.
Why do people even try to reply to you is beyond me.
[QUOTE=BananaMed;50784359]I am not going to debate you, because the first thing you do is assume moral high ground, and leave no place for actual discussion.[/QUOTE]
Thank god you'd never do something like that.
[QUOTE=BananaMed;50784341]My opinion: if you buy anything the media try to sell you on this, you are retarded.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784331]Rewarded mightily by the press =/= hand over the emails to the press
Russia would be in the news for finding the emails. Nothing about publicizing the emails or giving them to the press[/QUOTE]
Literally the only way for them to get in the news would be to publicly release them, as random idiots have already claimed to have found the emails and gotten no coverage because they didn't have anything to show.
[QUOTE=BananaMed;50784341]
I happened to watch the press conference Trump had today, and I'm pretty sure what he said was 100% just to spite/rile up the media. Especially how they asked him 5 or 6 times about his connection to Putin and if he is in the cohoots with Russia. He was clearly getting tired of anwsering the same quetion over and over at one conference.
My opinion: if you buy anything the media try to sell you on this, you are retarded.[/QUOTE]
hurr hurr liberal media
Being president requires a great deal of patience, as one is inevitably going to be asked the same questions over and over again. If Trump can't take being asked the same thing six times in one single press conference without making a 'joke' that he hopes a geopolitically opposed country hacks and releases top secret government information, then he has no right being president.
[QUOTE=BananaMed;50784359]I am not going to debate you, because the first thing you do is assume moral high ground, and leave no place for actual discussion.
Why do people even try to reply to you is beyond me.[/QUOTE]
I didn't make a single moral argument in this thread and you just tried to call people retarded for disagreeing with you.
[editline]27th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Maegord;50784373]
hurr hurr liberal media
Being president requires a great deal of patience, as one is inevitably going to be asked the same questions over and over again. If Trump can't take being asked the same thing six times in one single press conference without making a 'joke' that he hopes a geopolitically opposed country hacks and releases top secret government information, then he has no right being president.[/QUOTE]
Also fucking this. Even if it was a sarcastic joke it still wasn't right to say. Sad!
[QUOTE=BananaMed;50784341]I happened to watch the press conference Trump had today, and I'm pretty sure what he said was 100% just to spite/rile up the media. Especially how they asked him 5 or 6 times about his connection to Putin and if he is in the cohoots with Russia. He was clearly getting tired of anwsering the same quetion over and over at one conference.
My opinion: if you buy anything the media try to sell you on this, you are retarded.[/QUOTE]
Trump shifted focus from the DNC back to Clinton's classified email scandal which the media brushed under the rug once she was found not guilty of criminal intent. He knows what he's doing.
[editline]27th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=plunger435;50784353]No, that is exactly what it means, you're twisting your own candidates words to suit your needs now. The press don't give you a reward for claiming something, they give you a reward for actually providing.[/QUOTE]
Until you can quote Trump saying that he explicitly wants Russia to publish Clinton's emails then you can't disprove my argument.
[QUOTE=Maegord;50784373]
hurr hurr liberal media
[/QUOTE]
Things that I never implied.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50784366]Thank god you'd never do something like that.[/QUOTE]
Good thing I didn't try argue to with someone, just give my opinion on the matter.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784390]Trump shifted focus from the DNC back to Clinton's classified email scandal which the media brushed under the rug once she was found not guilty of criminal intent. He knows what he's doing.[/QUOTE]
No actually he just shifted the focus to whether or not Russia is aiding the Trump campaign.
That is the only thing that's going to be seriously discussed, not the meaning and implications of Clinton's email server. Even if you think that was what he meant, what Trump said is still idiotic because the email server itself isn't going to be the focus of any of the news, but Russia's activities in the campaign. The fact we're even having this conversation about whether he wants Russia to leak the info is proof in of itself that it backfired.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784390]Until you can quote Trump saying that he explicitly wants Russia to publish Clinton's emails then you can't disprove my argument.[/QUOTE]
Alright here he is saying just that.
[QUOTE]“They probably have them. I’d like to have them released. . . . It gives me no pause. If they have them, they have them,”[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]“If Russia or China or any other country has those emails, I mean, to be honest with you, I’d love to see them.”[/QUOTE]
This is an outright treason!
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784390]Trump shifted focus from the DNC back to Clinton's classified email scandal which the media brushed under the rug once she was found not guilty of criminal intent. He knows what he's doing.
[editline]27th July 2016[/editline]
Until you can quote Trump saying that he explicitly wants Russia to publish Clinton's emails then you can't disprove my argument.[/QUOTE]
Correction: He shifted the attention from his relation with Russia to Clinton's emails.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50784423]Alright here he is saying just that.[/QUOTE]
No you don't understand, Trump was just being SARCASTIC so that doesn't count!
I think you guys are underestimating Trump again, he is playing the media like he always does. This gets attention, but the Clinton camp will respond to it brings the email scandal back into the spotlight, they love trying to get people to not talk about it, because it's so obvious how guilty she is and how much she fucked up. This will work in Trump's favor, watch. Also the timing of this is grand, he does it right after Bill's flattering speech of her, and the day of his AMA, he is more or less undercutting Clinton's media attention and her post-convention bounce (which let's be real here not like she was going to get one anyway :v:)
[QUOTE=plunger435;50784423]Alright here he is saying just that.[/QUOTE]
Trump says Russia probably has the emails.
Trump says he wants to see the emails released.
You are adding the two statements together to say Trump wants Russia to release the emails to the press, which he has not explicitly said.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784454]Trump says Russia probably has the emails.
Trump says he wants to see the emails released.
You are adding the two statements together to say Trump wants Russia to release the emails to the press, which he has not explicitly said.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I’d like to have them released[/QUOTE]
this is in ONE of the statements
what are you doing lmao
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784454]Trump says Russia probably has the emails.
Trump says he wants to see the emails released.
You are adding the two statements together to say Trump wants Russia to release the emails to the press, which he has not explicitly said.[/QUOTE]
You realize the press is how things are released right? Putin himself isn't going to read it aloud for everyone. Like for instance, this[B] press [/B]conference that you're currently quoting.
[QUOTE=wystan;50784446]I think you guys are underestimating Trump again, he is playing the media like he always does. This gets attention, but the Clinton camp will respond to it brings the email scandal back into the spotlight, they love trying to get people to not talk about it, because it's so obvious how guilty she is and how much she fucked up. This will work in Trump's favor, watch. Also the timing of this is grand, he does it right after Bill's flattering speech of her, and the day of his AMA, he is more or less undercutting Clinton's media attention and her post-convention bounce (which let's be real here not like she was going to get one anyway :v:)[/QUOTE]
Presumably if Clinton said the Chinese should hack the RNC servers and release that information to the press you guys would be praising her nine dimensional chess as well.
[editline]27th July 2016[/editline]
I never underestimate Trump's ability to say dumb things and then have people do outrageous mental gymnastics to defend it, wystan.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50784477]You realize the press is how things are released right? Putin himself isn't going to read it aloud for everyone. Like for instance, this[B] press [/B]conference that you're currently quoting.[/QUOTE]
You aren't connecting that Trump wants the emails released by the press, by having Russia give the press the emails.
Now the two statements are:
Trump says Russia probably has the emails.
Trump says he wants to see the emails released by the press.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50784490]Presumably if Clinton said the Chinese should hack the RNC servers and release that information to the press you guys would be praising her nine dimensional chess as well.
[editline]27th July 2016[/editline]
I never underestimate Trump's ability to say dumb things and then have people do outrageous mental gymnastics to defend it, wystan.[/QUOTE]
Trump could literally go out and rape a child and people would still gloat about how Trump is playing the media like a fiddle with his 42d chess skills.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50784490]Presumably if Clinton said the Chinese should hack the RNC servers and release that information to the press you guys would be praising her nine dimensional chess as well.
[editline]27th July 2016[/editline]
I never underestimate Trump's ability to say dumb things and then have people do outrageous mental gymnastics to defend it, wystan.[/QUOTE]
It's not mental gymnastics, you just have to think about the actions.
Have you seen their (the Democrats) response to this? They effectively ADMIT that her private illegally handled emails are a matter of national security, despite them beforehand saying these were just "personal emails".
You are too quick to just write off what Trump is saying as dumb, because that's what's easy.
[QUOTE=plunger435;50783993]"Russia please try and find ways into our classified documents!" -Current Presidential Nominee
What else can you say.[/QUOTE]
Better than literally giving them access to those emails like a certain candidate.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784504]You aren't connecting that Trump wants the emails released by the press, by having Russia give the press the emails.
Now the two statements are:
Trump says Russia probably has the emails.
Trump says he wants to see the emails released by the press.[/QUOTE]
To release emails Russia would have to give the emails to the press, it's impossible otherwise, therefore if Trump wants the emails released that has to occur, which part are you not understanding? Can you please explain how you think Trump means for the information to be released that completely excludes the press?
[QUOTE=Maegord;50784511]Trump could literally go out and rape a child and people would still gloat about how Trump is playing the media like a fiddle with his 42d chess skills.[/QUOTE]
Look, I'm not a Trump supporter, raping children is pretty bad.
But Clinton did leave a lot of unsecured emails on her web server. Do you really want to vote for a corrupt criminal? I'm just saying.
[QUOTE=wystan;50784446]I think you guys are underestimating Trump again, he is playing the media like he always does. This gets attention, but the Clinton camp will respond to it brings the email scandal back into the spotlight, they love trying to get people to not talk about it, because it's so obvious how guilty she is and how much she fucked up. This will work in Trump's favor, watch. Also the timing of this is grand, he does it right after Bill's flattering speech of her, and the day of his AMA, he is more or less undercutting Clinton's media attention and her post-convention bounce (which let's be real here not like she was going to get one anyway :v:)[/QUOTE]
To be brutally honest, I think that you are spot on and this this is a bishop move in a game of political chess.
[QUOTE=wystan;50784514]It's not mental gymnastics, you just have to think about the actions.
Have you seen their (the Democrats) response to this? They effectively ADMIT that her private illegally handled emails are a matter of national security, despite them beforehand saying these were just "personal emails".
You are too quick to just write off what Trump is saying as dumb, because that's what's easy.[/QUOTE]
They aren't talking about the released emails, they're talking about emails still on federal servers.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;50784504]Trump says he wants to see the emails released by the press.[/QUOTE]
So he does explicitly say he wants the emails released
again, what are you doing?
[QUOTE=wystan;50784446]This will work in Trump's favor, watch.[/QUOTE]
This should be the official Trump campaign slogan.
[QUOTE=wystan;50784514]It's not mental gymnastics, you just have to think about the actions.
Have you seen their (the Democrats) response to this? They effectively ADMIT that her private illegally handled emails are a matter of national security, despite them beforehand saying these were just "personal emails".
You are too quick to just write off what Trump is saying as dumb, because that's what's easy.[/QUOTE]
That, or they mean that Trump has connections to Russia and that means a danger to national security.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50784350]but
my opinion: if every time Trump says something dumb you have to suggest that he was being sarcastic or trolling that is just a desperate form of damage control.[/QUOTE]
Yup.
Option A: It was taken out of context.
Option B: He was sarcastic/trolling/he doesn't actually mean it like that.
Option C: This is reported by the media and since the media is self-evidently bad, if they report on something that reflects badly on Trump, then it's untrue.
The fact that his gaffes are actually recorded takes care of the problem of context, tone or biased media, but I guess that we have reached the point where mental gymnastics can't be dismissed, no matter how crude they are.
[QUOTE=wystan;50784514]It's not mental gymnastics, you just have to think about the actions.
Have you seen their (the Democrats) response to this? They effectively ADMIT that her private illegally handled emails are a matter of national security, despite them beforehand saying these were just "personal emails".
You are too quick to just write off what Trump is saying as dumb, because that's what's easy.[/QUOTE]
You're completely missing the point. It doesn't matter what Hillary said or what the Democrats response is. As soon as this statement left Trump's mouth it was disastrous. It was a bad thing to say.
[QUOTE=srobins;50784522]Better than literally giving them access to those emails like a certain candidate.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure the results of the FBI investigation were that because she didn't "literally give them access" the only thing they could do was administrative sanctions, which obviously don't apply to civilians not employed in the state department or any state agency.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;50784540]So he does explicitly say he wants the emails released
again, what are you doing?[/QUOTE]
As a result of Russia's actions?
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