Fuck the European Union, individual freedom and democracy is more important then diversity that obviously don't work.
[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;33632135]Fuck the European Union, individual freedom and democracy is more important then diversity that obviously don't work.[/QUOTE]
Diversity that obviously doesn't work? I'll assume you're referring to your prejudice against Muslims.
[QUOTE=Beafman;33631504]That's the make part for the european union. Either we all go full into the European Union which in the next decades would mean the federalisation of Europe into one single country with member states, like in the U.S. or we go back to pre-EU style.[/QUOTE]
Sort of interesting trivia fact here, but the Kaiser predicted after his abdication in 1918 that the nations of Europe would at some point in the future come together in what he dubbed "the United States of Europe".
I'd rather see them all join together than fall apart and distance themselves from one another.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33632160]Diversity that obviously doesn't work? I'll assume you're referring to your prejudice against Muslims.[/QUOTE]
more like Italiens, Greeks and spaniards being unable to even the playing field compared to welfare and national debts.
[QUOTE=Beafman;33631977]But take the crisis with Greece, if they are unable to comply to the terms set forth, the combined budget would not be correct. If there is no plan for the combined currency, The Euro, you get problems. It's because of the currency that we are having trouble, indeed, it was the Euro that started the federalisation process.[/QUOTE]
I apologize, but I am still lost here. Are you saying that the economic solution will arise if all EU members join together their debts as one nation and try to pay it off as one big block of member states joined into one nation?
[QUOTE=Beafman;33632181]more like Italiens, Greeks and spaniards being unable to even the playing field compared to welfare and national debts.[/QUOTE]
I know from past experience he's done nothing but talk about how there were too many Muslims in Sweden, or some nonsense. The idea of the Spanish having a hard time with the Greeks is a bit too nuanced an issue for him.
I think that we should either go the whole hog and reform the EU so it's a proper federal Republic with a constitution and proper elections, or get rid of the politics entirely and have it as just a fiscal union. Not the current undemocratic hodge-podge we have now, where the Euro MPs aren't publicly accountable and the average joe doesn't know jack about how the system even works.
The British will never be part of a federal European state. Good day sirs.
[QUOTE=Thoughtless;33631462]In this time of need we need to become closer to our neighbors, help each other, and support and be supported. No country in Europe can survive on it's own easily. I'd say nows the time for the UK to join the euro, so we can tighten restrictions on debt allowance and other shit that money does.[/QUOTE]
I really disagree. The UK doesn't need the EU.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33632212]I know from past experience he's done nothing but talk about how there were too many Muslims in Sweden, or some nonsense. The idea of the Spanish having a hard time with the Greeks is a bit too nuanced an issue for him.[/QUOTE]
I've been noticing this xenophobic trend in Sweden recently, too. YouTube's got a lot of them that post and watch/comment on neo-Nazi videos there as well. What gives? I always thought they were cool people.
I hear David Cameron talking about trying to look after national interests in europe and I think, that's not the point of a union, I feel that it's in the national interest to help others with their problems, and then be open to help, but not expecting it. Our economy is so tied to Europe, that if the euro zone fails, we'll fail weather we're in it or not.
To the xenophobic people against muslims, I heard something today that I think hits pretty hard. In Shakespeare's Merchant from Venice, the jew Shylock asks why he as a jew may not ask revenge as the merchent would, being he is christian:
[quote=Shylock]He hath disgraced me, and hindered me half a million, laughed at my losses, mocked at my gains, scorned my nation, thwarted my bargains, cooled my friends, heated mine enemies; and what's his reason? I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.[/quote]
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33632275]I've been noticing this xenophobic trend in Sweden recently, too. YouTube's got a lot of them that post and watch/comment on neo-Nazi videos there as well. What gives? I always thought they were cool people.[/QUOTE]
Apparently they blame the immigrants for everything bad that's happened in their country.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany"]Reminds me of something.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Beafman;33632332]To the xenophobic people against muslims, I heard something today that I think hits pretty hard. In Shakespeare's Merchant from Venice, the jew Shylock asks why he as a jew may not ask revenge as the merchent would, being he is christian:[/QUOTE]
I fucking hated everybody in The Merchant of Venice except Shylock. They were all giant cunts.
[QUOTE=Van-man;33632445]Apparently they blame the immigrants for everything bad that's happened in their country.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany"]Reminds me of something.[/URL][/QUOTE]
People get desperate in bad times like this.
[QUOTE=Coffee;33632510]People get desperate in bad times like this.[/QUOTE]
It's important to stay focused and work on a solution instead of playing the [I]blame game[/I].
[QUOTE=Van-man;33632445]Apparently they blame the immigrants for everything bad that's happened in their country.
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany"]Reminds me of something.[/URL][/QUOTE]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law"]Glad we got that out of the way.[/URL]
Considering how far removed the populace is from the democratic process in the European Union, I can't even understand why Europeans would want to be a part of a full European nation. If the government turns against you (what's stopping it?) what recourse do you have? How can you even resist it? In the United States we at least have the hope of militias and the second amendment, however futile those may be.
[QUOTE=Typhoonx10;33632274]I really disagree. The UK doesn't need the EU.[/QUOTE]
The EU is very useful for us, however I don't think we need to be part of any federal state, I musch prefer things as they are.
[quote=Non-Americans on the internet]Europe isn't a country dumbass[/quote]
[i][b]soon...[/b][/i]
I'd rather see the EU crash and burn than for it to become a single state. Let's hope they don't force their undemocratic ways on Europe once again just to keep raking in cash.
[QUOTE=Typhoonx10;33632274]I really disagree. The UK doesn't need the EU.[/QUOTE]
yeah it's not as though the majority of our trade is with europe
that would be daft
If the EU becomes a federation everyone to my house where we will be Britain.
Meh...why the fucking not. Danish politics is a fucking joke anyways.
Secession party (BYOB)
The faster Europe becomes a single nation state with the same universal laws and social care the better.
The union splintering apart makes it worse. Europeans should unite. We have far too much in common.
I would much prefer a Europe in which I can go anywhere in it without crossing a single national border.
I want to go to anywhere in Europe without some nationalist bastard telling me otherwise.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;33632854]The faster Europe becomes a single nation state with the same universal laws and social care the better.
The union splintering apart makes it worse. Europeans should unite. We have far too much in common.l[/QUOTE]
Such was the vision of Napoleon Bonaparte over 200 years ago.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;33632875]Such was the vision of Napoleon Bonaparte over 200 years ago.[/QUOTE]
Except the EU is much more successful at getting to that vision.
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[QUOTE=The fox;33632669]I'd rather see the EU crash and burn than for it to become a single state. Let's hope they don't force their undemocratic ways on Europe once again just to keep raking in cash.[/QUOTE]
Oh yes because that will [I][B]totally[/B][/I] help everyone.
[QUOTE=The fox;33632669]I'd rather see the EU crash and burn than for it to become a single state. [B]Let's hope they don't force their undemocratic ways on Europe once again just to keep raking in cash.[/B][/QUOTE]
What? [IMG]http://filesmelt.com/dl/emot-what.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Canned Induvidual;33632737]Meh...why the fucking not. Danish politics is a fucking joke anyways.[/QUOTE]
Same shit no matter what political party.
[QUOTE=The fox;33632669]I'd rather see the EU crash and burn than for it to become a single state. Let's hope they don't force their undemocratic ways on Europe once again just to keep raking in cash.[/QUOTE]
Here we go again with your fundamental anti-EU idioticy. Undemocratic ways? Raking in cash?
What are you smoking?
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