[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;33639645]By not letting shitty racist people pass shitty racist laws.[/QUOTE]
which ones?
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;33639645]By not letting shitty racist people pass shitty racist laws.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? Why would Italy pass racist laws?
I'm talking about EU holding back elections like Belgium and Greece. Forcing on reforms and change the public has nothing to do with. Fuck that shit.
[QUOTE=Caesar;33639652]Sorry, I disagree with that. European nations are so different to each other in many different ways.[/QUOTE]
Mostly in petty ways. The only real difference I can think of is how the Mediterraneans are a lot less formal and business-like than their northern neighbours, but for the rest, we're just very similar.
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[QUOTE=Sexy Eskimo;33639719]What are you talking about? Why would Italy pass racist laws?
I'm talking about EU holding back elections like Belgium and Greece. Forcing on reforms and change the public has nothing to do with. Fuck that shit.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, they did need to put the pressure on Belgium. Our politicians managed to get themselves in a sticky situation due to constantly compromising, and 571 days of negotiating is ridiculous.
So I was talking to my dad about this this morning, and he made quite a good point; since the forming of the European Union we've had the longest period of peace in Europe in history. To be perfectly honest I could see that coming to an end if the Union splinters. Well, not like the Union stops and the next day there's war, but previously if tensions reached a boiling point it was usually solved peacefully through the Union, and I can easily see that no longer being the case afterwards.
I am for one, federal state.
In unity is power.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;33640262]I am for one, federal state.
In unity is power.[/QUOTE]
unity does not last forever
yeah have some other bullshit sayings while we're at it
Every nation state in Europe should be abolished.
No UK, Ireland, Belgium, Poland, France, Germany, Sweden, Finland, etc.
Only one entity.
[QUOTE=Regulas021;33634219]The idea of needing a physical representation of wealth has been pretty much abandoned by every economy in the world capable of doing it. It makes trade 10,000X easier and it's actually pretty smart.[/QUOTE]
It may make trade easier and it may be a smart solution but the way it is currently implemented means that the banks have far too much power and influence over things and are able to just create money with little in the way of repercussions.
I suspect it is also used to systematically control less developed countries and to keep them down in "their place".
If a bank fails at its job, why is it not just let to fail rather than be bailed out? Why not bail out the poor instead? Could be more effective in some situations.
Its interesting how all the developed nations are still in debt themselves and can never realistically expect to escape it. Doesn't make much sense really.
Isn't debt slavery awesome?
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;33640320]Every nation state in Europe should be abolished.
No UK, Ireland, Belgium, Poland, France, Germany, Sweden, Finland, etc.
Only one entity.[/QUOTE]
New World Order, brother, lol
[QUOTE=deltasquid;33639729]Mostly in petty ways. The only real difference I can think of is how the Mediterraneans are a lot less formal and business-like than their northern neighbours, but for the rest, we're just very similar.
[editline]9th December 2011[/editline]
To be fair, they did need to put the pressure on Belgium. Our politicians managed to get themselves in a sticky situation due to constantly compromising, and 571 days of negotiating is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Well, I can't speak for any other country, but Ireland is very different to other European countries. Infact, most people here don't even call themselves European. What are you calling "petty ways"? Different languages? Cultures? Laws? Political leanings? Economies? Religion? Because if that's what you are calling petty, then I completely agree with you. But I for one do not think those are petty. European countries are just as different to each other as Asian, African, American or Middle Eastern countries are different to other Asian, African, American and Middle Eastern countries.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;33640320]Every nation state in Europe should be abolished.
No UK, Ireland, Belgium, Poland, France, Germany, Sweden, Finland, etc.
Only one entity.[/QUOTE]
Rome couldn't even do it at the height of its power, you think because we have telephones now that somehow its possible?
[QUOTE=Vasili;33640868]Rome couldn't even do it at the height of its power, you think because we have telephones now that somehow its possible?[/QUOTE]
You think it's not... because?
The society is diffent with every second, and never will be like it was, a second ago. Saying "it didn't work before, thus it can't work" is moronic.
[QUOTE=Vasili;33640868]Rome couldn't even do it at the height of its power, you think because we have telephones now that somehow its possible?[/QUOTE]
The better communications people have the easier it is.
In the middle ages individual towns and villages had separate identities.
In the industrial era the nation state arose, in which all people inside belonged to a nation instead of a single city or village.
Now with the creation of the internet, it is much easier. I have noted that essentially a hell of a lot of people on the internet interact the same way no matter what country they come from.
Transport gets faster, internet access is becoming more common, the world is culturally assimilating itself.
The death of the nation state will be the day when internet access is a universal right to all humans, and a universal language is adopted.
[QUOTE=Vasili;33640868]Rome couldn't even do it at the height of its power, you think because we have telephones now that somehow its possible?[/QUOTE]
Please don't tell me you don't see the difference between the world back then and now.
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[QUOTE=Vasili;33640271]unity does not last forever
yeah have some other bullshit sayings while we're at it[/QUOTE]
~only the dead have seen the end of war~
~the only way to win
is to not play~
~honesty is the best policy~
etc.
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[QUOTE=Vasili;33640868]Rome couldn't even do it at the height of its power, you think because we have telephones now that somehow its possible?[/QUOTE]
Mongols and the ottoman empire did pretty well
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Of course the mongols also did [I]quite[/I] a bit of killing so perhaps that isn't the best example
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[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;33634453] right now it's a mess of passports every time you go from a country to another.[/QUOTE]
Not for us in Europe it isn't! Once you leave the UK and get into the Schegen area anyway.
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[QUOTE=Taiset;33638945]real reason Cameron vetoed the treaty was to avoid giving the British people a referendum or at least something on those lines[/QUOTE]
And to protect the bankers in London so they aren't taxed by the EU.
He has kinda got a point with that, if the EU introduced a tax for financial transactions all of the major banks in the EU would move quite quickly to Asia. Something like that needs to be introduced globally.
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Of course the mongols also did [I]quite[/I] a bit of killing so perhaps that isn't the best example[/QUOTE]
yeah but they didn't completely change people they ruled over, even when they killed most of them and like the Romans tried with their cultural genocide, just doesn't last. Italy will always be different to Sweden and while two cultures are different then they will have divisions in many more things. One united state europe would not work, there is way too many long term historical issues that - like Sobotnik likes to believe - the internet cannot achieve. If anything the internet tries to make people more culturally American, seeing they are the most dominant in the English speaking part of the net and therefore force their language, stereotypes and taboo with just about anything else on others, but we're still our own people - not Americans.
i mean lmao i'm sorry guys, you can keep stroking your cocks for a united humanity or federal union europe, but its not happening.
You'll be the first one in a FEMA camp when the new world order comes around, let me tell you!
now excuse me while I'm being hunted by the fedgov
[QUOTE=deltasquid;33639560]As for the idea that there is no real sentiment of European nationalism, that is quite wrong here in Belgium at least. Pretty much everyone I know calls himself either Flemish or Walloon (if they're separatists) or European (if they don't really care, which most don't.)
[b]We've had this discussion in class as well, and everyone agrees that Europeans are too similar to really be different nations.[/b] A federation like the USA would be good. Obviously a single class isn't a good reference, but we're in Brussels, where there's an equal split of foreigners, Flemish and Walloons.
The only problem I have with the EU is how we got the same coin BEFORE getting a more centralised and more united economical situation. They should've made regulations and formed a solid basis before making everyone use the same coin.[/QUOTE]
Well, that's it then. There's no point resisting further denial of sovereignty, a bunch of pig-ignorant kids in a half-baked non-country have decided we're too similar.
I shouldn't say this.
But i feel like soon everyone is just gonna turn their head at the same time and look at Norway.
And they'll whisper "Look, they've got money, alot of oil"
then a whisper from the void becomes clear "let's get 'em"
:tinfoil:
I don't know why Cameron vetoed, he's just a complete moron, I'd even go as far to say he is worse than Thatcher.
[QUOTE=Vasili;33641743]yeah but they didn't completely change people they ruled over, even when they killed most of them and like the Romans tried with their cultural genocide, just doesn't last. Italy will always be different to Sweden and while two cultures are different then they will have divisions in many more things. One united state europe would not work, there is way too many long term historical issues that - like Sobotnik likes to believe - the internet cannot achieve. If anything the internet tries to make people more culturally American, seeing they are the most dominant in the English speaking part of the net and therefore force their language, stereotypes and taboo with just about anything else on others, but we're still our own people - not Americans.
i mean lmao i'm sorry guys, you can keep stroking your cocks for a united humanity or federal union europe, but its not happening.[/QUOTE]
It will happen. All that is needed is improving communication and time.
Do that and the nation states of Europe will wither and die.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;33642447]I don't know why Cameron vetoed, he's just a complete moron, I'd even go as far to say he is worse than Thatcher.[/QUOTE]
No PM has gone to Europe to discuss treaty change and come back without being significantly hurt at home, perhaps he was just trying to buck the trend.
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;33642357]Well, that's it then. There's no point resisting further denial of sovereignty, a bunch of pig-ignorant kids in a half-baked non-country have decided we're too similar.[/QUOTE]
I love the phrase "non-country", I have no idea where it originally came from but I just love it.
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;33642357]Well, that's it then. There's no point resisting further denial of sovereignty, a bunch of pig-ignorant kids in a half-baked non-country have decided we're too similar.[/QUOTE]
Your opinion isn't worth any more than his so you can't really argue for the opposite either.
[QUOTE=Jsm;33642686]
I love the phrase "non-country", I have no idea where it originally came from but I just love it.[/QUOTE]
It always reminds me of that one Auto-Tune the News
[video=youtube;TpYIKF1wuyE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpYIKF1wuyE[/video]
See, I'm worried how much influence 'The City' has over the UK Government. Basically Cameron's fucked over our relationship and position in Europe to please the bankers and hedge fund managers.
I hope for break. Sweden is Sweden, not Europe.
I don't like how Cameron has just blundered into things like a damn howling monkey.
We need a leader who can unite Europe and forge new ideas and reforms, like Brown did at the start of the banking crisis - not a fucking twat who doesn't understand what diplomacy is. We've lost our Special Relationship with the USA and now we're being isolated from Europe.
I can understand his stance and his policy, but he tried to get what he wanted with all the grace of a tank that rapes babies.
[editline]9th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Camundongo;33642842]See, I'm worried how much influence 'The City' has over the UK Government. Basically Cameron's fucked over our relationship and position in Europe to please the bankers and hedge fund managers.[/QUOTE]
This. Before the backbenchers revolted about an EU treaty re-write, he was a 'save the Euro at all costs' kind of guy. Now he just doesn't give a shit about this countries future other than his poll ratings.
[QUOTE=Beaverlake;33642867]I hope for break. Sweden is Sweden, not Europe.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure Sweden is a part of Europe.
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