Make or break for the European Union - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33642994]I'm pretty sure Sweden is a part of Europe.[/QUOTE] -snip- Got it mixed up with Switzerland.

[QUOTE=Baldr 2.0;33642707]Him: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbrETiALUIQ[/media][/QUOTE] I I really hate this video Everything about it

[QUOTE=Baldr 2.0;33642707]Him: [/QUOTE] Oh so he created it, I thought he was quoting someone else. Good to see my MEP is good for something! (More Farage goodness: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdob6QRLRJU[/url])

[QUOTE=Baldr 2.0;33643095]Gee I wonder why. 1831 never forget.[/QUOTE] take us back plz

[QUOTE=Camundongo;33642842]See, I'm worried how much influence 'The City' has over the UK Government. Basically Cameron's fucked over our relationship and position in Europe to please the bankers and hedge fund managers.[/QUOTE] Bingo! With the UK as a major faction in the EU that was a perfect opportunity to rally some counter balance with other EU countries who are fucking pissed at Merkozy. But since he is a cunt, he didn't even try to do that and he basically tries to please the Europhobes and the wanking bankers which results in pleasing no one, not the bankers, neither his party, nor the EU.

I hope we become one state, the Euro Forces expansion pack for Battlefield 2 would finally make sense!

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;33642357]Well, that's it then. There's no point resisting further denial of sovereignty, a bunch of pig-ignorant kids in a half-baked non-country have decided we're too similar.[/QUOTE] Thank you for totally ignoring the part where I said that [b]obviously a single class can't account for all of Europe.[/b] [editline]10th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Baldr 2.0;33643095]Gee I wonder why. 1831 never forget.[/QUOTE] We're sorry. It was them Frenchies ruling our country who did this. Plz take us back. :(

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;33642357]a bunch of pig-ignorant kids in a half-baked non-country[/QUOTE] how is belgium a non-country? do you just blurt out random shit?

Its a long running joke about Belgium not being a country. [editline]10th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;33642458]It will happen. All that is needed is improving communication and time. Do that and the nation states of Europe will wither and die.[/QUOTE] lmao okay buddy, nice dream you have there.

[QUOTE=Vasili;33653100]Its a long running joke about Belgium not being a country.[/QUOTE] maybe if you masturbate to jeremy clarkson.

have a sense of humor!!

[QUOTE=Vasili;33653141]have a sense of humor!![/QUOTE] i prefer observations on british life ala only fools and horses

[QUOTE=Camundongo;33642842]See, I'm worried how much influence 'The City' has over the UK Government. Basically Cameron's fucked over our relationship and position in Europe to please the bankers and hedge fund managers.[/QUOTE] A transacton tax would be utterly devastating for the Financial Services Industry, which is the biggest in the country. He was doing what he had to to support the country. [editline]10th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;33653158]i prefer observations on british life ala only fools and horses[/QUOTE] You just prefer belittling people who disagree with you because you are so incredibly insecure.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;33653176] You just prefer belittling people who disagree with you because you are so incredibly insecure.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;33642357]Well, that's it then. There's no point resisting further denial of sovereignty, a bunch of pig-ignorant kids in a half-baked non-country have decided we're too similar.[/QUOTE] If you say so.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;33653176]A transacton tax would be utterly devastating for the Financial Services Industry, which is the biggest in the country. He was doing what he had to to support the country.[/QUOTE] mmm tory slurp slurp hard to consider economic advice from someone who considers the EU a "denial of sovereignty"

[QUOTE=Vasili;33653141]have a sense of humor!![/QUOTE] Jeremy Clarkson isn't funny. Well unless he gets hurt then it's fun to laugh [B]AT[/B] him.

[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;33653176] You just prefer belittling people who disagree with you because you are so incredibly insecure.[/QUOTE] no i definitely prefer only fools and horses. no insecurities about humour here.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33653216]mmm tory slurp slurp hard to consider economic advice from someone who considers the EU a "denial of sovereignty"[/QUOTE] "Sovereignty is the quality of having supreme, independent authority over a geographic area, such as a territory." (Source: The virtual pool of human knowledge that is Wikipedia). The EU does take away some degree of sovereignty. Saying it as a "denial of sovereignty" may be a bit sensationalist, but he's technically right.

[QUOTE=Caesar;33653477]"Sovereignty is the quality of having supreme, independent authority over a geographic area, such as a territory." (Source: The virtual pool of human knowledge that is Wikipedia). The EU does take away some degree of sovereignty. Saying it as a "denial of sovereignty" may be a bit sensationalist, but he's technically right.[/QUOTE] the notion of the UK having had absolute sovereignty is one joke; accepting sovereignty as something positive is another joke. the internal market and development has been absolutely fantastic for the economy of all the EU states so i think the sacrifice of the illusion of sovereignty has paid off well.

[QUOTE=Hidole555;33642751]It always reminds me of that one Auto-Tune the News [video=youtube;TpYIKF1wuyE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpYIKF1wuyE[/video][/QUOTE] That music makes Nigel Farage seem even more sinister than he actually is

[QUOTE=Van-man;33653352]Jeremy Clarkson isn't funny. Well unless he gets hurt then it's fun to laugh [B]AT[/B] him.[/QUOTE] wow the joke never came from jeremy clarkson its been a running joke for years

[QUOTE=thisispain;33653523]the notion of the UK having had absolute sovereignty is one joke; accepting sovereignty as something positive is another joke. the internal market and development has been absolutely fantastic for the economy of all the EU states so i think the sacrifice of the illusion of sovereignty has paid off well.[/QUOTE] Of course the EU market and funding for projects is good, the Tories know that. I don't think you'll find any Conservative who says the EU trading area is a bad thing. That has nothing to do with the veto. I don't know what you're talking about when you say "the notion of the UK having had absolute sovereignty is one joke". Of course the UK has had absolute sovereignty.

[QUOTE=thisispain;33653523]the notion of the UK having had absolute sovereignty is one joke; accepting sovereignty as something positive is another joke. the internal market and development has been absolutely fantastic for the economy of all the EU states so i think the sacrifice of the illusion of sovereignty has paid off well.[/QUOTE] They do have sovereignty.

Out of the EU Britain still has one of the largest sovereignty. The main reason Cameron vetoed this is because of the balance of industry within Britain. Due to Britain's history of having colonies/the empire for primary and secondary industries, Britain has always been focused primarily on tertiary industries, such as the financial sector. Because of that this bill would have had an abnormally large negative effect on the UK's financial sector (which is a [i]huge[/i] amount of our total industry) thus negatively affecting the UK far more than the rest of the countries it would affect (with a few exceptions.) That being said, I still think he should have not vetoed it and instead negotiated which could have have far better benefits for Britain as a whole instead.

[QUOTE=Vasili;33653100] lmao okay buddy, nice dream you have there.[/QUOTE] Anything is possible with time. Whole nations with unique cultures and languages have been wiped off the face of the earth before.

[QUOTE=Jsm;33641445]Not for us in Europe it isn't! Once you leave the UK and get into the Schegen area anyway. [editline]9th December 2011[/editline] And to protect the bankers in London so they aren't taxed by the EU. He has kinda got a point with that, if the EU introduced a tax for financial transactions all of the major banks in the EU would move quite quickly to Asia. Something like that needs to be introduced globally.[/QUOTE] Well, when the EU talks about someone taking one for the team, they try their damndest to make sure it's the UK. (Y'all probably don't pay attention to how Scottish waters got auctioned off to portugese and the like for fishing, and that scottish fishermen have lower quotas than the foreign fishing ships, yet are the ones who get blamed when the issue of overfishing comes up)

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;33654022]Anything is possible with time. Whole nations with unique cultures and languages have been wiped off the face of the earth before.[/QUOTE] and others get put in there place you don't understand how cultures work very well you can't just expect the internet to give everyone one culture, culture is a bit more complicated than that a man in a hot area will always have a different culture to someone in a cold area i don't think you've comprehended this properly for a universal culture to happen in a united collection of states to become one country they all need to have these exact same things. Regarding language: Language employed to manipulate others Language employed to misinform or mislead Language is translatable Abstraction in speech and thought Antonyms, synonyms Logical notions of "and," "not," "opposite," "equivalent," "part/whole," "general/particular" Binary cognitive distinctions Color terms: black, white Classification of: age, behavioral propensities, body parts, colors, fauna, flora, inner states, kin, sex, space, tools, weather conditions Continua (ordering as cognitive pattern) Discrepancies between speech, thought, and action Figurative speech, metaphors Symbolism, symbolic speech Synesthetic metaphors Tabooed utterances Special speech for special occasions Prestige from proficient use of language (e.g. poetry) Planning Units of time Society Personal names Family or household Kin groups Peer groups not based on family Actions under self-control distinguished from those not under control Affection expressed and felt Age grades Age statuses Age terms Law: rights and obligations, rules of membership Moral sentiments Distinguishing right and wrong, good and bad Prestige inequalities Promise/oath Property Statuses and roles Leaders De facto oligarchy Coalitions Collective identities Conflict Cooperative labor Gender roles Males dominate public/political realm Males more aggressive, more prone to lethal violence, more prone to theft Males engage in more coalitionist violence through rape Males on average travel greater distances over lifetime Marriage Husband older than wife on average Copulation normally conducted in privacy Incest prevention or avoidance, incest between mother and son unthinkable or tabooed Rape, but rape proscribed Collective decision making Etiquette Inheritance rules Generosity admired, gift giving Redress of wrongs, sanctions Shame Territoriality Triangular awareness (assessing relationships among the self and two other people) Some forms of proscribed violence Visiting Trade Myth, ritual and aesthetics Magical thinking Use of magic to increase life or win love Beliefs about death Beliefs about disease Beliefs about fortune and misfortune Divination Attempts to control weather Dream interpretation Beliefs and narratives Proverbs, sayings Poetry/rhetorics Healing practices, medicine Childbirth customs Rites of passage Music, rhythm, dance Play Toys, playthings Death rituals, mourning Feasting Sexual double entendres Body adornment Hairstyles Creation, end times myths Technology Shelter Control of fire Tools, tool making Weapons, spear Containers Cooking Lever Tying material (i.e., something like string), twining (i.e. weaving or similar)

[QUOTE=Vasili;33654358]Long List[/QUOTE] Did you actually read what you just posted? I don't think tying materials and control of fire are very relevant to modern culture. I get what you mean though, it just looks like you copy and pasted a list which kind of damages your argument.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;33654786]Did you actually read what you just posted? I don't think tying materials and control of fire are very relevant to modern culture. I get what you mean though, it just looks like you copy and pasted a list which kind of damages your argument.[/QUOTE] Its a discussion by George Murdock, Claude Lévi-Strauss, Donald Brown on the human condition and what makes a culture its own or the same, they talk what makes each culture similar but what also can largely differentiated it.

[QUOTE=Vasili;33654895]Its a discussion by George Murdock, Claude Lévi-Strauss, Donald Brown on the human condition and what makes a culture its own or the same, they talk what makes each culture similar but what also can largely differentiated it.[/QUOTE] What of countries that have already merged? Let's look at Britain for example. It is made up of 3 countries mostly (Wales, Scotland and England) along with Northern Ireland. Wales and Scotland have their own parliaments and the people do widely celebrate their own identity, culture, language, etc but in large polls conducted many people do not wish to become their own separate nation. Scotland for example used to be its own fiercely independent nation, and very slowly with time it has become more "British" than "Scottish". And with each successive generation this United Kingdom becomes more united. Many people I know whom are proudly Scottish profess very much that they wish to remain British too. It is the same with Europe, but on a larger scale, and it has already happened in many places. Germany and Italy for example used to be composed of dozens upon dozens of independent city states and kingdoms. As a result of the industrial revolution by the end of the 19th century both had formed into single nations. All that is needed is time and communication. Therefore I support strict border controls to be lessened inside Europe, free internet access, pro-european newspapers, encouragement by the media and the such, along with heavy investment into improvement of the railways, roads and ports. The faster a message is sent to a wider population the better.