'Get Out' film called 'anti-white' and 'racist' by some viewers
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[QUOTE=Twistai;51876608]I doubt you would say that if the film was anti-black. Double standards.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but literally who cares if it's anti-white?
When a piece of media is "anti-black," it's targeting an already marginalized group of people who have struggled to gain equal footing with white folk but still don't have it, and perpetuating the parts of culture that discriminate and persecute them.
If it's "anti-white," it's targeting a group of people who have always been dominant and can afford to be challenged for their top position in the social hierarchy without fear of persecution, because the people in power in their society look just like them and won't be discriminating against them.
Who loses more when they're targeted?
I'm sick of people standing atop a pedestal of pure blind logic, distributing judgments when something seems "unbalanced," ignoring reality and pretending as though everybody were equal to begin with.
White folk are on top, that can't be argued. And it's okay to challenge that, because if you really cared about balance, you'd understand that trying to maintain an equilibrium is only applicable when there is an equilibrium to maintain.
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;51877009]Yeah but literally who cares if it's anti-white?
When a piece of media is "anti-black," it's targeting an already marginalized group of people who have struggled to gain equal footing with white folk but still don't have it, and perpetuating the parts of culture that discriminate and persecute them.
If it's "anti-white," it's targeting a group of people who have always been dominant and can afford to be challenged for their top position in the social hierarchy without fear of persecution, because the people in power in their society look just like them and won't be discriminating against them.
Who loses more when they're targeted?
I'm sick of people standing atop a pedestal of pure blind logic, distributing judgments when something seems "unbalanced," ignoring reality and pretending as though everybody were equal to begin with.
White folk are on top, that can't be argued. And it's okay to challenge that, because if you really cared about balance, you'd understand that trying to maintain an equilibrium is only applicable when there is an equilibrium to maintain.[/QUOTE]
These are the worst arguments to defend racism. Holy shit. Not all whites are privileged upper middle class posh assholes.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51877015]I don't know what your definition of anti-white is, but anti-anything is not okay with me.
This movie is not anti-white.[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to say it is. And i don't think it is anti-white. I'm asking him, since he brings it up, what would threaten him even if it were?
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;51877009]Yeah but literally who cares if it's anti-white?
When a piece of media is "anti-black," it's targeting an already marginalized group of people who have struggled to gain equal footing with white folk but still don't have it, and perpetuating the parts of culture that discriminate and persecute them.
If it's "anti-white," it's targeting a group of people who have always been dominant and can afford to be challenged for their top position in the social hierarchy without fear of persecution, because the people in power in their society look just like them and won't be discriminating against them.
Who loses more when they're targeted?
I'm sick of people standing atop a pedestal of pure blind logic, distributing judgments when something seems "unbalanced," ignoring reality and pretending as though everybody were equal to begin with.
White folk are on top, that can't be argued. And it's okay to challenge that, because if you really cared about balance, you'd understand that trying to maintain an equilibrium is only applicable when there is an equilibrium to maintain.[/QUOTE]
I'm sick of people coming up with mounds of mental gymnastics to justify racism and incitement of racial tensions.
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;51877009]Yeah but literally who cares if it's anti-white?
When a piece of media is "anti-black," it's targeting an already marginalized group of people who have struggled to gain equal footing with white folk but still don't have it, and perpetuating the parts of culture that discriminate and persecute them.
If it's "anti-white," it's targeting a group of people who have always been dominant and can afford to be challenged for their top position in the social hierarchy without fear of persecution, because the people in power in their society look just like them and won't be discriminating against them.
Who loses more when they're targeted?
I'm sick of people standing atop a pedestal of pure blind logic, distributing judgments when something seems "unbalanced," ignoring reality and pretending as though everybody were equal to begin with.
White folk are on top, that can't be argued. And it's okay to challenge that, because if you really cared about balance, you'd understand that trying to maintain an equilibrium is only applicable when there is an equilibrium to maintain.[/QUOTE]
racism is racism no matter how you put it snowflake
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51877039]I'm sick of people coming up with mounds of mental gymnastics to justify racism and incitement of racial tensions.[/QUOTE]
I can't tell you're actually suggesting that you have run into enough posts like mine to be "sick of," or if you're just doing it for the epic zinger.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51877021]These are the worst arguments to defend racism. Holy shit. Not all whites are privileged upper middle class posh assholes.[/QUOTE]
I'm fully aware that, like everything, there is a continuum of people labeled white, who vary in social status.
What you described are the people in the film, who i'm referring to as the white folk in question. And regarding the people criticizing the film, I can't speak for them being posh or assholes specifically, but they are privileged and of higher social status (like the people in the film), and that's who i think could stand to be challenged.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51877028]Could you define what you think "anti-white" means? It'd be good to get on the same page.
In my head, it may as well equate with straight-up racism. But I could see it also meaning to "challenge" the status quo of race relations, given the context of the film.[/QUOTE]
When I think "anti-white," the most obvious things that come to mind are the routines done by Eddie Murphy and Dave Chapelle that 'punch-up,' so to speak.
I'm thinking anything that challenges the status quo, exactly as you said. In truth there are things that can be far more "anti-white," and that i would probably label as straight racism, if it were something like firebombing a white person's house in a town with a white minority.
I'm arguing for tolerance of pieces of media that go against typical white-favoring works, really.
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;51877073]I can't tell you're actually suggesting that you have run into enough posts like mine to be "sick of," or if you're just doing it for the epic zinger.[/QUOTE]
This is not the only board I visit and you're not the only person who thinks that racism against white people is okay because it's not racism or that it's actually a good thing or some crap like that.
Humor is great, I love racist humor. Actual racism though is not okay.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;51877133]This is not the only board I visit and you're not the only person who thinks that racism against white people is okay because it's not racism or that it's actually a good thing or some crap like that.[/QUOTE]
This is actually something i'd like to hear more about/some examples of. I'm curious now
I think that what he was saying is that, making an anti-white film would be seen less bad than making an anti-black film because historically white people have never been targeted, chased or enslaved just for their skin color before. It doesn't make it right to discriminate against white people though.
It's just a movie anyways. It's not like if they were doing anti-white propaganda or claiming that everything that happens in the movie is an actual fact that should be put in reality or something.
The only thing that bothers me from these thread is that many people in FP claim to be anti-PC, yet, as soon as something that could offend white people is exposed, they all get riled up and complain about racism.
Just like when Netflix announced "Dear White People".
Content against minorities has to be defended because of freedom of speech
But content against white people is bad because it's racist and not good.
[QUOTE=Sgt. Nikolai;51877239]...historically white people have never been targeted, chased or enslaved just for their skin color before.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates[/url]
[quote]The main purpose of their attacks was to capture Christian slaves for the Ottoman slave trade as well as the general Muslim slavery market in North Africa and the Middle East.[/quote]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nat_Turner%27s_slave_rebellion[/url]
[quote]The rebels traveled from house to house, freeing slaves and killing all the white people they encountered.[/quote]
I could find more if you want.
[QUOTE=RedBaronFlyer;51877346][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_pirates[/url][/QUOTE]
Are you sure this is because they were white and not because they were christian/european?
I'll give you the second but let's not pretend slavery wasn't a inherently violent system.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51877381]Are you sure this is because they were white and not because they were christian/european?
I'll give you the second but let's not pretend slavery wasn't a inherently violent system.[/QUOTE]
Back then christian/european was the same as white. Not many nonwhite europeans or christians there
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;51877159]This is actually something i'd like to hear more about/some examples of. I'm curious now[/QUOTE]
What? You want me to explain your own logic?
As for examples I remember this from the top of my head, but I don't keep a diary of those stupid posts [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1466399&highlight=bahar+mustafa[/url] so this will have to do.
Pretty sure if you google "you can't be racist towards white people" you're going to get plenty of examples.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51877136]That sounds like a fine proposition to me!
I loved Chappel's "white" humor.[/QUOTE]
Hey dont shit on Dave Chapelle, he's god damn funny.
That being said i still disagree with a number of things DChapsfield said but still, dont shit talk Chapelle my man.
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;51877009]Yeah but literally who cares if it's anti-white?
When a piece of media is "anti-black," it's targeting an already marginalized group of people who have struggled to gain equal footing with white folk but still don't have it, and perpetuating the parts of culture that discriminate and persecute them.
If it's "anti-white," it's targeting a group of people who have always been dominant and can afford to be challenged for their top position in the social hierarchy without fear of persecution, because the people in power in their society look just like them and won't be discriminating against them.
Who loses more when they're targeted?
I'm sick of people standing atop a pedestal of pure blind logic, distributing judgments when something seems "unbalanced," ignoring reality and pretending as though everybody were equal to begin with.
White folk are on top, that can't be argued. And it's okay to challenge that, because if you really cared about balance, you'd understand that trying to maintain an equilibrium is only applicable when there is an equilibrium to maintain.[/QUOTE]
Oh you're one of THOSE people that think that racism against white people is impossible aren't you
[QUOTE=DChapsfield;51877009]Yeah but literally who cares if it's anti-white?
When a piece of media is "anti-black," it's targeting an already marginalized group of people who have struggled to gain equal footing with white folk but still don't have it, and perpetuating the parts of culture that discriminate and persecute them.
If it's "anti-white," it's targeting a group of people who have always been dominant and can afford to be challenged for their top position in the social hierarchy without fear of persecution, because the people in power in their society look just like them and won't be discriminating against them.
Who loses more when they're targeted?
I'm sick of people standing atop a pedestal of pure blind logic, distributing judgments when something seems "unbalanced," ignoring reality and pretending as though everybody were equal to begin with.
White folk are on top, that can't be argued. And it's okay to challenge that, because if you really cared about balance, you'd understand that trying to maintain an equilibrium is only applicable when there is an equilibrium to maintain.[/QUOTE]
This is such a roundabout way to say you hate white people.
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;51877822]This is such a roundabout way to say you hate white people.[/QUOTE]
Racism isn't that cut and dried .
[QUOTE=Nebukadnezzer;51877773]Oh you're one of THOSE people that think that racism against white people is impossible aren't you[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tetsmega;51877822]This is such a roundabout way to say you hate white people.[/QUOTE]
Believe it or not, i have made other follow-up posts in this thread that clarify my position, but feel free to ignore them
[QUOTE=Primigenes;51877976]Why would you ever include a slave rebellion in your list of examples? Especially when you only list 2?[/QUOTE]
1st, I was short on time since I needed to go jog before it got too hot outside, it does make my claims a little shallow though now that I think about that.
2nd, it was a response to the claim that [QUOTE=Sgt. Nikolai;51877239] historically white people have never been[B][I][U] targeted[/U][/I][/B], chased or enslaved just for their skin color before[/quote]
[QUOTE=Primigenes;51877976]Why would you ever include a slave rebellion in your list of examples?[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter if it was a slave rebellion, white people were still targeted and murdered for their skin color
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51878107]I wasn't, I genuinely enjoy him. I used to watch the Chapelle Show all the time.
My favorite skit was the "wife swap" one, it was god damn hilarious. And the blind KKK leader one is a classic.[/QUOTE]
Oh.
The way you worded it sounded negative, my bad.
[QUOTE=RedBaronFlyer;51878154]It doesn't matter if it was a slave rebellion, white people were still targeted and murdered for their skin color[/QUOTE]
hmmmm
[QUOTE]There was widespread fear in the aftermath of the rebellion, and white militias organized in retaliation against the slaves. The state executed 56 slaves accused of being part of the rebellion. In the frenzy, many non-participant slaves were punished. At least [B]100 African Americans, and possibly up to 200[/B], were murdered by militias and mobs in the area. Across the South, state legislatures passed new laws prohibiting education of slaves and free black people,[3] restricting rights of assembly and other civil rights for free black people, and requiring white ministers to be present at all worship services.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51878107]And the blind KKK leader one is a classic.[/QUOTE]
And just in case you're one of those poor sods who hasn't seen it, here's both parts:
[url]http://www.comedycentral.co.uk/chappelles-show/videos/frontline-clayton-bigsby-pt-1-uncensored?utm_source=ComedyCentralUKYouTube&utm_medium=ChappelleShowClaytonBigsby&utm_campaign=ChappelleShowCCUKWebsite[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFJAAMS8U5Y[/url]
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