[QUOTE=Ragy;23881535]So because you think that a few are corrupted, all the rich should be taxed more. We should give all their money away so everyone else can have it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, because I totally said that a few are corrupted, that's exactly what I said, mhm, spot on, good reading comprehension.
[sp]That was sarcasm[/sp]
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881535]Stop acting like they all got their money through corruption, they didn't 99% of them earned their money just like use, through jobs and hard work.[/QUOTE]
99% where the fuck are you getting your numbers? Stop bullshitting, goddamn.
What do you not understand about millions of dollars spent on government lobbying in addition to bad educational opportunities among other problems.
[QUOTE=Detective P;23881576]Corruption doesn't matter.
The wealth is needed elsewhere. the needs of all supersede the luxury of few. Taxation is a fair form of wealth distribution, and they should not receive tax cuts.[/QUOTE]
Communist
[QUOTE=Detective P;23881576]Uh, no... the majority of the rich have gotten so through inheritance, political lobbying, political ties, and corruption.
The hard workers are the minority.
I thought this was pretty much an established fact since, like, the 1800s?[/QUOTE]
Ignorance to the max. Not every high paying job is connected to corruption and politics.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881629]Dear god, the ignorance on this forum.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad you've accepted yourself.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881629]Dear god, the ignorance on this forum.[/QUOTE]
The ignorance on this forum? You think the rich haven't bought politicians. You can google it for yourself, and in moments you can see that there are millions and millions and millions of dollars pouring through the lobby industry that you deny exists.
Ignorance? From people like you, yes, there is so much ignorance.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23881679]The ignorance on this forum? You think the rich haven't bought politicians. You can google it for yourself, and in moments you can see that there are millions and millions and millions of dollars pouring through the lobby industry that you deny exists.
Ignorance? From people like you, yes, there is so much ignorance.[/QUOTE]
The ignorance is from you people who think that everything is corrupt. It's not, you live in your own little everything and everyone is corrupt reality.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881665]Communist
Ignorance to the max. Not every high paying job is connected to corruption and politics.[/QUOTE]
No, it isn't, but all jobs require working within the law. Why not stretch the law when you know you can by throwing money at it?
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881665]Ignorance to the max. Not every high paying job is connected to corruption and politics.[/QUOTE]
-Food Industry
-Fuel Industry
-Health/Pharmaceutical Industry
-Wall Street
-Lobbying Industry
Just to name a few.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881698]The ignorance is from you people who think that everything is corrupt. It's not, you live in your own little everything and everyone is corrupt reality.[/QUOTE]
I don't think everything is corrupt. You're denying the existance of things like the lobby industry. Tell me what the lobby industry does if NOT corruption?
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881629]Dear god, the ignorance on this forum.[/QUOTE]
Does anyone know where you can get that Irony meter nuke .gif?
[QUOTE=Billiam;23881710]-Food Industry
-Fuel Industry
-Health/Pharmaceutical Industry
-Wall Street
-Lobbying Industry
Just to name a few.[/QUOTE]
Hurr because every job connected to all those is corrupted. There are jobs you don't even know about and yet, I bet you would still call them all corrupted.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881665]Communist
Ignorance to the max. Not every high paying job is connected to corruption and politics.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say it was. If you would kindly point out where I explicitly stated that every wealthy person was corrupt, or that every high-paying job was connected to politics or corruption, I will give you brownie points and a cookie.
And yes, I am a communist (Well, Trotskyite Marxist Socialist, I don't believe in Anarcho-communism or pure communism), but I'm being pretty moderate in my argument here, since I don't want to seem too radical.
[QUOTE=Detective P;23881740]I didn't say it was. If you would kindly point out where I explicitly stated that every wealthy person was corrupt, or that every high-paying job was connected to politics or corruption, I will give you brownie points and a cookie.
And yes, I am a communist (Well, Trotskyite Marxist Socialist, I don't believe in Anarcho-communism or pure communism), but I'm being pretty moderate in my argument here, since I don't want to seem too radical.[/QUOTE]
So you seem to agree that a few corrupted jobs allows everyone rich to be taxed. There are corrupted jobs in the middle class just like the high class, yet you don't seem to care about them. This obviously shows that the only thing which separates them to you is money. Well guess what, people will always have more money than you. Get over it.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881736]Hurr because every job connected to all those is corrupted. There are jobs you don't even know about and yet, I bet you would still call them all corrupted.[/QUOTE]
No, the higher up jobs in them are PROVEN TO BE FUCKING CORRUPT. How can you be so ignnorant and naive? You act like this shit doesn't exist. It's PROVEN that the food industry, agriculture industry, so many other industries out there all have direct links to the government, it's not "Conspiracy" it's not foolishness, it's fucking proven fact that they have their hands in government legislation, and you're DENYING THIS? You're denying the lobby industry, you're denying that money flows like it does?
[i]Corruption, while an issue, is not one that should concern taxation. Corruption and taxation should not be linked. The amount of wealth you have and the amount you earn should be linked with taxation, not corruption.[/i]
You are really trying to make it seem as though we believe that all rich people are corrupt and that they should be taxed due to corruption.
[QUOTE=Detective P;23881429]Personally, I don't give a shit how the rich earned their wealth (most are born into it our they buy or sway their way there anyhow).[/quote]
There is VERY LITTLE old wealth in America today
[quote]All I know is that the middle class needs help, and there are millions who need even more help than our middle class.
I find it repulsive that we allow people to sit on millions, sometimes billions, of dollars for their whole lives and live a life of excess and luxury.
I find it absolutely disgusting that there are people who suggest we allow them even more leniency and give them fucking tax breaks so they can get richer while everyone else gets even less due to it.[/quote]
You make it sound like they make their money by taking it from the poor. That's not how it works.
[quote]How one acquires their wealth is not an issue to me. How it is used is.
But that's my socialist speaking. My libertarian says that it is theirs, bu then I remember that everyone getting fucked because a few hundred rich fat fucktards won't pay some taxes is alot more important.[/QUOTE]
I'd say the bigger problem is all the people who take money from the government without paying even a fraction of it back in...
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23881831]No, the higher up jobs in them are PROVEN TO BE FUCKING CORRUPT. How can you be so ignnorant and naive? You act like this shit doesn't exist. It's PROVEN that the food industry, agriculture industry, so many other industries out there all have direct links to the government, it's not "Conspiracy" it's not foolishness, it's fucking proven fact that they have their hands in government legislation, and you're DENYING THIS? You're denying the lobby industry, you're denying that money flows like it does?[/QUOTE]
I'm not denying that there is zero corruption, but not everyone that is god damn rich is corrupted. People start businesses or work hard to get to a position.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881736]Hurr because every job connected to all those is corrupted. There are jobs you don't even know about and yet, I bet you would still call them all corrupted.[/QUOTE]
What? We're talking about high-paying jobs here, the corn shucker in Nebraska isn't payed millions and he's likely not corrupt either.
However, if you do have a CEO, COO, Vice President, Production Manager or job where you are paid millions you're either fully aware of what's going on in your industry or supporting it.
Goddamn, you have low reading comprehension.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881806]So you seem to agree that a few corrupted jobs allows everyone rich to be taxed. There are corrupted jobs in the middle class just like the high class, yet you don't seem to care about them. This obviously shows that the only thing which separates them to you is money. Well guess what, people will always have more money than you. Get over it.[/QUOTE]
Corrupted middle class jobs? How do the middle class spread corruption? They don't have enough money to buy a politician, they don't have lobbyist, the poor can't afford lobbyists you idiot.
[QUOTE=Billiam;23881882]What? We're talking about high-paying jobs here, the corn shucker in Nebraska isn't payed millions and he's likely not corrupt either.
However, if you do have a CEO, COO, Vice President, Production Manager or job where you are paid millions you're either fully aware of what's going on in your industry or supporting it.
Goddamn, you have low reading comprehension.[/QUOTE]
Every major company has a CEO which gets paid high, [B]because he's the CEO.[/B] Getting paid high =/ corruption.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881870]I'm not denying that there is zero corruption, but not everyone that is god damn rich is corrupted. People start businesses or work hard to get to a position.[/QUOTE]
And then once they have money and are an important cornerstone industry they're able to expand influence through money and power over legislation. Name an industry that hasn't done this.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881138]Duh, because everyone rich got their money illegally. They're all out for the poor people. :downs:[/QUOTE]
There's a reason they're rich. And that's because every other person who tried to do what they tried to do, failed.
That doesn't mean that they should be treated as godly fucking immortals immune to the laws of lesser men.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881909]Every major company has a CEO which gets paid high, [B]because he's the CEO.[/B] Getting paid high =/ corruption.[/QUOTE]
:hurr:
Are you only reading half of the content in my posts?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23881922]And then once they have money and are an important cornerstone industry they're able to expand influence through money and power over legislation. Name an industry that hasn't done this.[/QUOTE]
Back to the conspiracy that every industry is corrupt.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23881922]And then once they have money and are an important cornerstone industry they're able to expand influence through money and power over legislation. Name an industry that hasn't done this.[/QUOTE]
Technology? :v:
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23881922]And then once they have money and are an important cornerstone industry they're able to expand influence through money and power over legislation. Name an industry that hasn't done this.[/QUOTE]
everything from ciggarettes to cheerleading have influenced the government.
Which is why we should tax and regulate the fuck out of corporations.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881938]Back to the conspiracy that every industry is corrupt.[/QUOTE]
Oh God, I'm better at arguing your side than you.
At least I tried to answer it.
[QUOTE=Ridge;23881863]There is VERY LITTLE old wealth in America today[/quote]
Not really. Politicians, mostly, but big-industry leaders and bankers aswell. Wealth by relation, is what I meant, mainly.
[quote]You make it sound like they make their money by taking it from the poor. That's not how it works.[/quote]
No...but tax cuts would indeed deny money to projects that would help everyone.
[quote]I'd say the bigger problem is all the people who take money from the government without paying even a fraction of it back in...[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure if you're referring to wealth distribution or government assistance here, but if you are, then that's not an issue. Or wouldn't be, if certain high-wealth, high-income individuals paid taxes and didn't receive tax cuts.
If referring to industries, corps, ect that receive loans that don't pay back, I agree it's an issue.
[QUOTE=Billiam;23881959]Technology? :v:[/QUOTE]
technology is an ethereal substance made by wizards in giant clean rooms
it is not subject to greed or ill ethics, or delusions of morality
also scientists are poor
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881938]Back to the conspiracy that every company is corrupt.[/QUOTE]
It's not a conspiracy, and prove to me I'm wrong if it's just a conspiracy. Conspiracies are over thrown with 1 FUCKING FLAW. And yet you can't point out a flaw yet.
Conspiracy theories are all bullshit. How is this a conspiracy theory when you can quite clearly see it in the public media, in the public domain, you can quite literally trace down the money that has bought government officials. It's called [b]the fucking lobby industry[/b]
You have selective reading like a motherfucker.
[QUOTE=Ragy;23881938]Back to the conspiracy that every industry is corrupt.[/QUOTE]
things built on greed are greedy
noooooooooo
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;23882006]It's not a conspiracy, and prove to me I'm wrong if it's just a conspiracy. Conspiracies are over thrown with 1 FUCKING FLAW. And yet you can't point out a flaw yet.
Conspiracy theories are all bullshit. How is this a conspiracy theory when you can quite clearly see it in the public media, in the public domain, you can quite literally trace down the money that has bought government officials. It's called [b]the fucking lobby industry[/b]
You have selective reading like a motherfucker.[/QUOTE]
its not a conspiracy when you can literally look up the records of politicians being paid by corporations
it makes it more of a "i know this shits fucked up but i refuse to careacy".
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