Wall HS teacher suspended over Trump yearbook censorship
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[QUOTE=archangel125;52351665]That teacher's only looking out for those poor kids and their future. Anyone who publicly supported Donald Trump is going to be ridiculed and ostracized in the years to come, treated like trash by the rest of society. Better to hide it and pretend it never happened.[/QUOTE]
I was kinda thinking something similar. I think all political crap should stay away from year books anyway.
Aw, they should've let him keep it. In the future, it'd be like when your kids check your yearbook and find out you had a mullet.
[QUOTE=Xion21;52351523]There does seem to be a very common theme of "I will do an obnoxious thing, not just because I believe in anything, but because I know I can get a rise out of people by doing it enough and therefore they will eventually get fed up and tell me to stop and I can REEEE all the way home and play the victim." going on with all of this crowd from young to old the last few months. It's basically the modus operandi of the whole group. From people just hoping to get hit or kicked out of protests so they use that, to those edgy kekistan idiots, it's all the same.[/QUOTE]
The alt-right isn't an actual political movement; they're just a large gaggle of trolls who've forgotten that fact. They don't have any real beliefs or positions beyond "whatever triggers those libcucks". The primary reason why they're such fanatical Trump supporters is that he's the world's biggest troll.
Wonder how he would feel 20 years later when he will look back his yearbook
[QUOTE=Chaitin;52353335]Wonder how he would feel 20 years later when he will look back his yearbook[/QUOTE]
Assuming he grows up to be a normal person, then he'll probably laugh about it.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52351398]is this really censorship though
politics in a year book. Not really fitting tbh[/QUOTE]
I hate Trump as much as the next guy but he's the president of the United States. You should be able to wear a presidential t-shirt in a yearbook just like any other graphic tee. The only way this would be acceptable is if they have a general "plain clothing" rule or something.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52351398]politics in a year book. Not really fitting tbh[/QUOTE]
Why not?
I'm guessing nobody here had a debate team in public high school, who pushed the boundaries with their politics like mine. :v:
[QUOTE=Tudd;52353446]I'm guessing nobody here had a debate team in public high school, who pushed the boundaries with their politics like mine. :v:[/QUOTE]
If it was an actual debate team that didn't cower away from contradictions, they would have tore apart the whole alt right/left movements
[QUOTE=Tudd;52353446]I'm guessing nobody here had a debate team in public high school, who pushed the boundaries with their politics like mine. :v:[/QUOTE]
They probably did, but they also had boundaries on where you got political. This kind of thing is not only tacky and doesn't belong in a school yearbook, but politics in general don't belong.
[QUOTE=da space core;52353520]If it was an actual debate team that didn't cower away from contradictions, they would have tore apart the whole alt right/left movements[/QUOTE]
Well this was back when Bush was president and Obama was coming in. They were really wonky back then and I am not sure how they would feel about the current situation because I couldn't exactly place their views to begin with.
I do remember one time a student debated our substitute teacher and kinda proved that she was only voting for Obama because he was black. And this guy was a total Obama supporter.
Another guy, who ended up being a national debate champion, and even flunked his senior year to do debate team again, actually would debate how you should be able to smoke anywhere at schools. And he freaked out on facebook over Bernie losing/Trump winning this year. He was the same kind of guy who would wear a DARE shirt and do cocaine at school though.
I don't think my debate team would impress you on what you are seeking. Unless you like the idea they always tested biases. :v:
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[QUOTE=Revenge282;52353560]They probably did, but they also had boundaries on where you got political. This kind of thing is not only tacky and doesn't belong in a school yearbook, but politics in general don't belong.[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone made such a big deal about anyone wearing Obama shirts, otherwise I would agree with you that it be better to just keep the yearbook respectful and plain.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52353659]Well this was back when Bush was president and Obama was coming in. They were really wonky back then and I am not sure how they would feel about the current situation because I couldn't exactly place their views to begin with.
I do remember one time a student debated our substitute teacher and kinda proved that she was only voting for Obama because he was black. And this guy was a total Obama supporter.
Another guy, who ended up being a national debate champion, and even flunked his senior year to do debate team again, actually would debate how you should be able to smoke anywhere at schools. And he freaked out on facebook over Bernie losing/Trump winning this year. He was the same kind of guy who would wear a DARE shirt and do cocaine at school though.
I don't think my debate team would impress you on what you are seeking. Unless you like the idea they always tested biases. :v:
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I don't think anyone made such a big deal about anyone wearing Obama shirts, otherwise I would agree with you that it be better to just keep the yearbook respectful and plain.[/QUOTE]
Our school didn't allow for any of the Obama/McCain shirts, and going forward, any campaign material. I was editor-in-chief of the yearbook for 3 years, and I remember having to photoshop hand symbols and t-shirt phrases all the time.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;52351511]I dont care if the teacher was allowed to do this or not, or if the school is justified in firing them, but I do find it weird how attention craving Trump supporters are about their status as Trump supporters
A bumper sticker is one thing, but deciding to immortalize your high school experience as "I supported Trump" is pretty odd, especially considering these photos were most likely taken months after the election. This just sounds like something they'll regret in the future.
Maybe theyre just emulating the man's worship of himself.[/QUOTE]
It's called a Cult of Personality.
I'm not sure how the removal of ANY political messages in a public school can be permitted. High schools have been found to have the authority to control the messages of banners and publications...but never once has a case been won on the grounds of clothing as far as I know. If it were a private high school, sure, but in a public, government run high school? How can you censor things related to national politics?
[QUOTE=J!NX;52351398]is this really censorship though
politics in a year book. Not really fitting tbh[/QUOTE]
Censorship is still censorship even if you think it's justified. It just becomes justified censorship. Like, we censor curse words from television shows kids watch. This is widely regarded as justified but its still called censorship. Would really appreciate it if random people at large would stop going "but this isnt censorship" for things like this, words still have their real meaning if you don't agree with the negative connotation.
Also this is a government run public school, they cant be taking sides in politics.
can we censor trump from life
[QUOTE=Scarabix;52352040]Didn't happen with Nixon though. And yet you had idiots following him the whole way through his resignation and genuinely calling him a saint. Trump could be impeached for supporting russian meddling and you'd still have marginals holding him up as the perfect president.[/QUOTE]
Nixon was hugely popular once, and wasn't nearly as corrupt as Trump is when you consider the vast number of conflicts of interest the current POTUS is accountable for. Trump was never popular, and he's about as popular as dirt now.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52354399]Nixon was hugely popular once, and wasn't nearly as corrupt as Trump is when you consider the vast number of conflicts of interest the current POTUS is accountable for. Trump was never popular, and he's about as popular as dirt now.[/QUOTE]
Well if the world ever becomes like Waterworld, then he will be very popular. :v:
Good. Not much else to say.
I don't see why politics should be banned from yearbooks where each student has his small corner for [I]self expression[/I]. I think it's damn stupid that you'd waste your space on politics, but that's not enough of a reason to intervene.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52354536]Well if the world ever becomes like Waterworld, then he will be very popular. :v:[/QUOTE]
Not really considering he'd have played a significant hand in the world turning to shit.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52351398]is this really censorship though
politics in a year book. Not really fitting tbh[/QUOTE]
Unless the yearbook club had neutral rules before hand (no politics in quotes or clothing) and enforced these equally, it can be construed as textbook censorship.
If the school is also government funded it can be construed as governmental censorship.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;52354315]Also this is a government run public school, they cant be taking sides in politics.[/QUOTE]
So they were justified in removing the trump logos or...?
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Like removing a campaign's logo is the definition of not taking sides. it's not like they were slapping clinton logos everywhere instead
It's pretty tacky to wear political campaign memorabilia for your yearbook photo, doubly so to do so months after the campaign has ended. Hopefully the school hasn't picked sides, but really it's so fucking lame that I can't even imagine what goes on in the head of someone who'd do something like this. Like, is it that big a part of your core identity that it's gotta' be in the yearbook photo? Isn't there something else to your persona than being a mouthpiece for some politician?
If someone did this with a Hillary shirt or something I'd probably avoid them too because I can't help but imagine that they're some kind of boring one-track minded loser who barely has an identity outside of whatever candidate they support. It's just so... Lame.
Isn't there usually someone there who can see what the kid is wearing before the photo gets taken? Crazy to think this slipped past both parents, the staff, other students, the photographers, and then the staff a second time before someone decided to take issue with it.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52356273]Isn't there usually someone there who can see what the kid is wearing before the photo gets taken? Crazy to think this slipped past both parents, the staff, other students, the photographers, and then the staff a second time before someone decided to take issue with it.[/QUOTE]
In my school's case, it's the photographer. The kids just walk to the place of pictures, unless it's a club pic where the teacher is in it. Trust me when I say the photographer could not give a shit what you're​ wearing.
Once the photographer has it, they throw it on a CD and mail it to yearbook with each kid's jpg numerically named in order of their grade and name. Yearbook then just auto fills the blank spots with the pictures and the roster, and boom. You're honestly looking for the "Mike Hunt" and "Carlos Spicywiener" types before you inspect pictures.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52353659]
I don't think anyone made such a big deal about anyone wearing Obama shirts, otherwise I would agree with you that it be better to just keep the yearbook respectful and plain.[/QUOTE]
You're right, when obama shirts were removed people [I]didn't[/I] cry about it.
I'd be impressed if Tudd could find the reverse happening, some kid back in 2009 wearing an obama shirt
Well it turns out there is nothing in the Student dress code or handbook that prevents political messages.
[quote]"There is nothing in our student dress code that would prevent a student from expressing his or her political views and support for a candidate for political office via appropriate clothing. Rather, I applaud students for becoming involved in politics and for participation in our democratic society," she wrote.
"The high school administration was not aware of and does not condone any censorship of political views on the part of our students. This includes statements that they might make or clothing with references to candidates for public office that they might wear."[/quote]
[t]http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170611143933-05-trump-photoshop-yearbook-wyatt-dobrovich-fago-split-exlarge-169.jpg[/t]
Also in the article is mention of the girl's quote that was removed that was a Trump quote
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/11/us/trump-high-school-yearbook/index.html[/url]
Seems to only be Trump Students affected.
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[QUOTE=Lambeth;52356435]I'd be impressed if Tudd could find the reverse happening, some kid back in 2009 wearing an obama shirt[/QUOTE]
I really doubt that this has never happened before.
We could have everyone reading pick up their old yearbooks and do a search tho. :v:
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And found a Public High School with a Obama campaign sign.
[url]http://www.classmates.com/yearbooks/Pleasant-Valley-High-School/4182758753?page=0[/url]
[QUOTE=Tudd;52356481]
I really doubt that this has never happened before.
We could have everyone reading pick up their old yearbooks and do a search tho. :v:[/QUOTE]
No one wore campaign materials months after an election before Trump's cult of personality.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52356513]No one wore campaign materials months after an election before Trump's cult of personality.[/QUOTE]
Lol, I see bumper stickers for Bernie and Hillary when I drive around everyday. My friend at school that I sit next to has a Gary Johnson Sticker from 2012 on his laptop.
I [b]still[/b] see Reagan/Bush 84 materials every once in-awhile.
Unless you don't go outside, I can't believe you just made that statement.
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