Wall HS teacher suspended over Trump yearbook censorship
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[QUOTE=Tudd;52356535]Lol, I see bumper stickers for Bernie and Hillary when I drive around everyday. My friend at school that I sit next to has a Gary Johnson Sticker from 2012 on his laptop.
I [b]still[/b] see Reagan/Bush 84 materials every once in-awhile.
Unless you don't go outside, I can't believe you just made that statement.[/QUOTE]
Some people are just lazy, I still have my highschool parking permit on my car.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52356535]Lol, I see bumper stickers for Bernie and Hillary when I drive around everyday. My friend at school that I sit next to has a Gary Johnson Sticker from 2012 on his laptop.
I [B]still[/B] see Reagan/Bush 84 materials every once in-awhile.
Unless you don't go outside, I can't believe you just made that statement.[/QUOTE]
My man I'm talking about highschoolers wearing campaign shirts to school.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52356563]My man I'm talking about highschoolers wearing campaign shirts to school.[/QUOTE]
I am sure somebody has worn a campaign shirt to a high school or to a yearbook photo long before Trump first of all.
But alot of people who wear Trump shirts that I know of just do it to show others they don't give a shit about their scolding. And they aren't unrealistic/cultish about their views on the world. They are just sick of people being ridiculous on their outrage over Trump.
[editline]13th June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;52356553]Stickers are different than outfits you choose to wear everyday.
If I ever put a sticker on something, it doesn't come off until nature itself dictates otherwise.[/QUOTE]
I mean, having a sticker of a candidate that lost on the back of your car, that you undoubtedly see pretty much everytime you walk up to it, is probably not "forgetting" about it.
In alot of cases, I imagine that is a message that people are keeping on their car. Especially this election.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52356597]I am sure somebody has worn a campaign shirt to a high school or to a yearbook photo long before Trump first of all.
But alot of people who wear Trump shirts that I know of just do it to show others they don't give a shit about their scolding. And they aren't unrealistic/cultish about their views on the world. They are just sick of people being ridiculous on their outrage over Trump.
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When I said "no one" I wasn't being literal. I was suggesting that it's probably hard to find because people (at least when I went to high school) didn't give a shit about politics enough to invest themselves as thoroughly into a cult as much as they do today.
What scolding? What ridiculous outrage?
alright i dont like trump being president as the next person, but censoring shit is how you make people sink further into their beliefs, if they didn't believe that they were under attack before, they will now, and if they already did, this will only strengthen their belief
act with empathy and not with outrage
[QUOTE=Tudd;52356481]I really doubt that this has never happened before.
We could have everyone reading pick up their old yearbooks and do a search tho. :v:
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And found a Public High School with a Obama campaign sign.
[url]http://www.classmates.com/yearbooks/Pleasant-Valley-High-School/4182758753?page=0[/url][/QUOTE]
Still not a kid wearing an Obama campaign shirt.
You know, maybe the teacher actually wanted the students to look somewhat nice for the yearbook picture? Aren't you supposed to dress somewhat nice (as in no shirts with images or writing on them) for the picture? Maybe the teacher was editing out shirts with Metallica written on them too. Also, I'm confused, if the yearbook was censored where are we getting the original pictures from? Did some student on yearbook crew post them or what?
[QUOTE=matt000024;52356676]You know, maybe the teacher actually wanted the students to look somewhat nice for the yearbook picture? Aren't you supposed to dress somewhat nice (as in no shirts with images or writing on them) for the picture? Maybe the teacher was editing out shirts with Metallica written on them too. Also, I'm confused, if the yearbook was censored where are we getting the original pictures from? Did some student on yearbook crew post them or what?[/QUOTE]
Yeah honestly this could be politically-motivated suppression, or it could be an earnest if misguided attempt to make kids look less embarrassing in their yearbook. Either way it shouldn't have been done though.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;52351511]I dont care if the teacher was allowed to do this or not, or if the school is justified in firing them, but I do find it weird how attention craving Trump supporters are about their status as Trump supporters
A bumper sticker is one thing, but deciding to immortalize your high school experience as "I supported Trump" is pretty odd, especially considering these photos were most likely taken months after the election. This just sounds like something they'll regret in the future.
Maybe theyre just emulating the man's worship of himself.[/QUOTE]
is it any weirder than those clowns with bernie t shirts though?
[QUOTE=FFStudios;52354105]I'm not sure how the removal of ANY political messages in a public school can be permitted. High schools have been found to have the authority to control the messages of banners and publications...but never once has a case been won on the grounds of clothing as far as I know. If it were a private high school, sure, but in a public, government run high school? How can you censor things related to national politics?[/QUOTE]
they're not censoring the clothing, they're censoring the picture of the clothing in their yearbook, which is a publication
[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;52352422]I think the fact that the teacher in charge is getting reprimanded kinda implies that there was no such rule.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. School administration may very well have found cause to suspend the teacher for no other reason than bringing controversy to their doorstep -- regardless of their policy. My dad was an administrator of our local school district for nearly a decade, and was constantly exasperated with the politics of it. Ultimately, he was fired under shady pretenses as well -- he began an apolitical veterans' service organization in his spare time and was featured in national news for several weeks, including NPR, Rachel Maddow, Fox, CNN, etc. His actions prompted quite a bit of debate, because though he and the other organizers tried to make it explicitly clear that this was not a political event, but rather a charity organization intended to help struggling veterans, it got wrapped up in the national discussion on the War in Iraq (ages the story a bit, doesn't it?).
Though his work in his organization had shit-all to do with his work in the administrative office of the school district, the board still found pretense to unceremoniously fire him because they didn't want the school to get wrapped up in the controversy.
You might not think it, but office politics run the roost in many school districts. I can't speak either for way for this teacher, save to say that I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he was suspended merely so that the school could wipe their hands of any potential fingerpointing. School boards hate controversy.
As an FYI federally funded schools or really any school has the right to do anything they deem necessary for media created with school resources so that it may comply with school regulations. Schools typically leave in vague,easily applicable statements in their rules that allows them to basically censor whatever and it isn't an uncommon practice.
and If memory serves me right i do believe the courts have ruled in favor of this form of censorship as well.
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Here it is:
[I]Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier[/I] (1988) Ruled in favor of censoring school newspapers
[I]Tinker v. Des Moines Independent School District[/I] (1969) Students can express themselves upto a point
These can be used as precedent in the event the teacher decides to press charges against the School Board. The teacher will most likely win if that's the case.
[QUOTE=Shirt.;52356865]As an FYI federally funded schools or really any school have the right to do anything they deem necessary for media created with school resources so that it may comply with school regulations. Schools typically leave in vague,easily applicable statements in their rules that allows them to basically censor whatever and it isn't an uncommon practice.
and If memory serves me right i do believe the courts have ruled in favor of this form of censorship as well.[/QUOTE]
It applies to more than media, too. Dress codes may prohibit political materials from school grounds. So, campaign shirts, hats, buttons, etc were all disallowed. You don't have free speech in high school.
[QUOTE=Tudd;52356597]I am sure somebody has worn a campaign shirt to a high school or to a yearbook photo long before Trump first of all.
But alot of people who wear Trump shirts that I know of just do it to show others they don't give a shit about their scolding. And they aren't unrealistic/cultish about their views on the world. They are just sick of people being ridiculous on their outrage over Trump.
[editline]13th June 2017[/editline]
I mean, having a sticker of a candidate that lost on the back of your car, that you undoubtedly see pretty much everytime you walk up to it, is probably not "forgetting" about it.
In alot of cases, I imagine that is a message that people are keeping on their car. Especially this election.[/QUOTE]
I think the key word here is 'imagine'. People generally don't remove bumper stickers, even if the candidate lost. If I had a Bernie sticker I sure as hell wouldn't be removing it now. My brother had an Obama sticker on his car for years after the campaigns until one of his classmates scraped it off his car during lunch at highschool (we live in a very conservative part of California).
side note, unlike Trump supporters my brother didn't make a national news story out of this 'political persecution'
My mother had an Obama's bumper sticker but decided to spend one day scraping it off with her keys because she went to work for a Republican senator. :v:
Edit: I got that wrong actually, it happened in 2005 so it must have been a Kerry sticker or something.
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