• BBC: The US military teaching 'total war' on Islam.
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DID SOMEONE SAY AMERICAN MEDIA. [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/10/military-class-suspended-for-its-view-on-islam/"]FOXNEWS HAS LANDED![/URL]
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;35917776]DID SOMEONE SAY AMERICAN MEDIA. [URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/10/military-class-suspended-for-its-view-on-islam/"]FOXNEWS HAS LANDED![/URL][/QUOTE] Fox was the one I least expected to report on it, props to them. Comments are dreadful as always though.
what is scary about those comments is that those people probably only say what they think on the internet. the person taking your order at the restaurant or your classmate might go home later in the day and write about how liberalism has made the country weak and that moozslms (why do they never spell muslim correctly?) will take over the country.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;35917560]Fundamentalist christmas sounds pretty great. Celebrate the gift of giving and egg nog all year round[/QUOTE] Wouldn't "fundamentalist christmas" be returning to the roots of the celebration? 'Cause I could totally dig rampant boozing, feasting and orgying in the name of the winter solstice.
[quote]there was no such thing as moderate Islam [/quote] I've heard both idiot Christians and atheists alike spout horse shit like this. I read most of that presentation, and basically it says moderate Muslims support violence in the name of Islam and "most" want to dominate the world, implement sharia law, etc. etc. That moron Robert Spencer comes to mind...
[QUOTE=OvB;35917874]Fox was the one I least expected to report on it, props to them. Comments are dreadful as always though.[/QUOTE] My common sense tries to tell me that it's likley that trolls are responsible for half those comments, though the cynicalist in me tells me that more than a few of them are genuine. IT must be nice for these people to find somewhere to express their views like that in relative ayonomoumity.
Would be pretty neat to see a nuke go off at Mecca, but on the other hand this is humanely wrong.
Yea Islam is violent as fuck: "And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Hesbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities we took for a prey to ourselves." Oh wait...that's the bible.
[QUOTE=thisispain;35917893](why do they never spell muslim correctly?)[/QUOTE] Because that's what the mooslum's want us to do. If we spell things like mooslum correctly the terouristies will have won. God (not Alhan) bless America.
[QUOTE=smace;35921176]Would be pretty neat to see a nuke go off at Mecca, but on the other hand this is humanely wrong.[/QUOTE] it'd be pretty neat to see you die, but on the other hand you don't really matter anyway
[QUOTE=Gentry;35913014][URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18030105[/URL] What a brilliant mentality to foster.[/QUOTE] Misleading headline: It's one teacher at one school in teaching one class, and then this bullshit: [QUOTE]It is not surprising.[/QUOTE] Fnarr fucking fnarr asshole. I thought the BBC had higher standards than this.
[QUOTE=JerryK;35921371]it'd be pretty neat to see you die, but on the other hand you don't really matter anyway[/QUOTE] Now that is pretty sadistic.
the muslim allies of usa already have a hard time dealing with their populace with anti american sentiments. giving out possibilities of nuking mecca and medina isnt going to help the situation the guy is in the same boat as ahmedinajad who mentioned wiping israel off the map how do these nutjobs get inside in the first place. also lol @ the former fbi agent who thinks obama is influenced by extremists
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;35913031]It looks like its being dealt with, however[/QUOTE] Only after being brought to their attention though. The linked wired article mentions that these were from presentation from last year, and possibly earlier (possibly as early as 2004 from what I've read elsewhere). So presumably the same presentations were going on since then with at least some ranking military guys going through it and moving on to their positions elsewhere. It's hard for me to believe that they weren't aware this stuff was being taught, so either this reflects poorly on the military's training apparatus or they didn't think it was a "big deal". The fellow responsible for these (Dooley) doesn't seem to have had much happen to him beyond a slap on the wrist. [QUOTE=Spooter;35921403]Misleading headline: It's one teacher at one school in teaching one class, and then this bullshit:[/QUOTE] Clearly you didn't read the article or follow up on other sources. The "teacher" is a Lt. Colonel with a responsibility to train and teach other commanders. If this is the kind of junk that is being taught anywhere by the military, particularly with an ongoing war as it is, you can't just handwave it and just say it was "one teacher". Dooley taught at the Joint Forces Staff College where a lot of these guys would go on for operations in Afghanistan and elsewhere, and the last thing you want is this kind of stuff being condoned, much less on the public's money.
With this kind of nonsense being taught at their academies, no wonder there are incidents involving desecration of muslim holy books.
Great, do they now have a "all religions are bullshit alike" class?
[QUOTE=Irockz;35913707]I'm a Christmas.[/QUOTE] This (and the others related too) is the funniest thing I've read all week :v:
[QUOTE=Spooter;35921403]Misleading headline: It's one teacher at one school in teaching one class, and then this bullshit: Fnarr fucking fnarr asshole. I thought the BBC had higher standards than this.[/QUOTE] While the title of the article is misleading, it looks like he's saying that it's not surprising that the officer has condemned it, rather than it's not surprising that they're teaching about Islam like that. Sorry if that's what the guy above said.
[QUOTE=Spooter;35921403]Fnarr fucking fnarr asshole. I thought the BBC had higher standards than this.[/QUOTE] You illiterate muppet. Learn how to follow sentence structures. "It is not surprising the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey is furious" There you go, a nice easy paraphrase for your brain to process.
[QUOTE]including possible nuclear attacks on the holy cities of Mecca and Medina and the wiping out civilian populations.[/QUOTE] Jesus fuck this is beyond despicable
heh its pretty much like hitler wanting to wipe out jews because the talmud gives directives to kill all non-jews this guy wants to wipe out civilian muslims because he got an out of context quranic quote to kill teh infidels
[QUOTE=C47;35925699]heh its pretty much like hitler wanting to wipe out jews because the talmud gives directives to kill all non-jews this guy wants to wipe out civilian muslims because he got an out of context quranic quote to kill teh infidels[/QUOTE] Well to be fair, all the Abrahamic religions ask you to 'take up the sword' in one way or another, but it's up to the people whether they'll actually do it.
[QUOTE=MercZ;35923012]Clearly you didn't read the article or follow up on other sources. The "teacher" is a Lt. Colonel with a responsibility to train and teach other commanders. If this is the kind of junk that is being taught anywhere by the military, particularly with an ongoing war as it is, you can't just handwave it and just say it was "one teacher". Dooley taught at the Joint Forces Staff College where a lot of these guys would go on for operations in Afghanistan and elsewhere, and the last thing you want is this kind of stuff being condoned, much less on the public's money.[/QUOTE] But I did read the article? That's where I got the [I]fact[/I] that it's just that Lt. Colonel at that one school. It's still horrendous, but one teacher who is now being investigated does not the entire U.S. Military make. That's a fact, we haven't found courses anywhere else, though I'm not saying we might not find more upon investigation. The headline implies that the U.S. Military, as in, the entirety of the organization, is teaching this. [B]That is misleading.[/B] As well, while the article mentions it, the headline doesn't mention that this has been condemned. All it says is that the entire organization is teaching this. Which isn't true. [QUOTE=Gentry;35925190]You illiterate muppet. Learn how to follow sentence structures. "It is not surprising the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey is furious" There you go, a nice easy paraphrase for your brain to process.[/QUOTE] Thank you for immediately resorting to insulting me. The placement of that sentence could be interpreted a few ways, and now I see that the more likely result is what you've presented. But just because I misinterpreted something is no excuse to call me illiterate and be an ass.
[QUOTE=Pancake Bunny;35913044]Islam caused 9/11! they are enemies of God and Jesus Christ! god bless america[/QUOTE] But they are only paying back for the holy crusades!
[QUOTE=Spooter;35926589]But I did read the article? That's where I got the [I]fact[/I] that it's just that Lt. Colonel at that one school. It's still horrendous, but one teacher who is now being investigated does not the entire U.S. Military make. That's a fact, we haven't found courses anywhere else, though I'm not saying we might not find more upon investigation. The headline implies that the U.S. Military, as in, the entirety of the organization, is teaching this. [B]That is misleading.[/B] As well, while the article mentions it, the headline doesn't mention that this has been condemned. All it says is that the entire organization is teaching this. Which isn't true.[/QUOTE] But the US military [B]was[/B] teaching 'total war' on Islam. That sentence is correct in every meaning of it. Stop adding extra conditions to it, [B]then[/B] saying it is misleading.
[QUOTE=MercZ;35923012] Clearly you didn't read the article or follow up on other sources. The "teacher" is a Lt. Colonel with a responsibility to train and teach other commanders. If this is the kind of junk that is being taught anywhere by the military, particularly with an ongoing war as it is, you can't just handwave it and just say it was "one teacher". Dooley taught at the Joint Forces Staff College where a lot of these guys would go on for operations in Afghanistan and elsewhere, and the last thing you want is this kind of stuff being condoned, much less on the public's money.[/QUOTE] Wait. The course was only taught by Dooley for two years, even though the course has existed since 2004. Its not part of the core curriculum and one of 33 voluntary electives. Five classes of around 20 students a year means around 200 officers were taught by Dooley. That's bad, but its a drop in the lake. So yeah its bad, but you can say its just one teacher, and you can say its not representative of the US military as a whole. Read some of the Wired article, this Lt. Colonel demonized the commander-in-chief, justified genocide and the crusades, and invited anti-Islamic speakers to give talks. You really think that america's best and brightest officers would not have some inkling that this guy was a nut. Also it should be mentioned that a student told the higher-ups about this guy then they suspended the course. Its not like this was a turn-your-head-the-other-way and allow it kind of situation. There's no cover-up.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;35926963]. Its not like this was a turn-your-head-the-other-way and allow it kind of situation. There's no cover-up.[/QUOTE] I think it does represent the whole structure on some level. "What does seem rather surprising is that all those commanders, captains and colonels must have sat through the course and not felt the need to tell someone that something rather weird was going on." I'm not the best when it comes to statistics, but out of 200 officers, only one thought it was odd enough to complain. I think that speaks volumes does it not? No I'm not trying to invite hysterical strawman arguments about how I'm apparently condemning every Officer in the US military.
[QUOTE=Afrika;35927047]I think it does represent the whole structure on some level. "What does seem rather surprising is that all those commanders, captains and colonels must have sat through the course and not felt the need to tell someone that something rather weird was going on." I'm not the best when it comes to statistics, but out of 200 officers, only one thought it was odd enough to complain. I think that speaks volumes does it not? No I'm not trying to invite hysterical strawman arguments about how I'm apparently condemning every Officer in the US military.[/QUOTE] I'd disagree. I don't think its representative of the US military at all. According to the news, "He described his purpose as generating "dynamic discussion and thought," while noting that his ideas and proposals are not official U.S. government policy and cannot be found in any current official Defense Department documents." Basically, he's saying that the DOD, and the US gov't don't approve of this but here it is. Add this to some of the other ridiculous stuff he's said, like Obama's a Muslim extremist and a traitor. And I find it hard to consider that anyone would take him seriously. Considering the teacher's a higher rank than just about everybody in the room, it may not be that absurd that no one reported him. Whistle blowing on someone of a higher rank is something that military personnel are wary of.
[QUOTE=smace;35921438]Now that is pretty sadistic.[/QUOTE] and thinking that "setting off a nuke killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people would be neat" is not?
So now the senior officers over there are taught to fear and attack me without provocation. Whoopee. Glad someone's taking action though.
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