Jury finds all members of Wildlife Refugee Standoff, NOT GUILTY - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Ridge;51283317]They used a backhoe to make a latrine (common military practice, not some crazy ass nutjob thing) because the gov't turned off the water and power to the building. Again, had nobody paid attention to them, damage would have been minimal.[/QUOTE] so were these socialist leeches meant to get water and electricity for free by mooching off the government?

[QUOTE=Ridge;51283021]I don't understand why anyone gave a damn. The park was closed, nobody was going there for a few months. Should have let those dumbasses sit there and freeze their asses off until they got bored and went home. [editline]30th October 2016[/editline] They did essentially the same thing as Occupy, only in the middle of nowhere.[/QUOTE] Occupy wasn't an armed take-over. [QUOTE=Ridge;51283317]They used a backhoe to make a latrine (common military practice, not some crazy ass nutjob thing) because the gov't turned off the water and power to the building. Again, had nobody paid attention to them, damage would have been minimal.[/QUOTE] Still resulted in property damage, plus it doesn't excuse the other damage they caused. Maybe if they didn't paint themselves as a militia ready to die for a cause they wouldn't have felt the need to flush them out (lol pun) by cutting off power and water.

[QUOTE=Ridge;51283317]They used a backhoe to make a latrine (common military practice, not some crazy ass nutjob thing) because the gov't turned off the water and power to the building. Again, had nobody paid attention to them, damage would have been minimal.[/QUOTE] "Ignore them and they'll go away" doesn't really apply when it comes to an armed occupation of federal property. Care to address their [I]other[/I] acts of damage and destruction? We've dealt with the latrine pit that disturbed a burial ground, please move on to the next.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51283329]so were these socialist leeches meant to get water and electricity for free by mooching off the government?[/QUOTE] Never understood why left wing people assume when someone says they want "less government", they automatically mean "no government". I want less government regulations in my life, but I'm happy having utilities like any left or right country has.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51284574]Never understood why left wing people assume when someone says they want "less government", they automatically mean "no government". I want less government regulations in my life, but I'm happy having utilities like any left or right country has.[/QUOTE] the point is more that these hicks are hypocrites fighting for a dumb cause with their ideology literally being that they want no government i mean bundy claimed that he didnt have to pay grazing fees because he considered the authority he was to pay it to illegitimate

Utilities aren't federally governed, however. [editline]30th October 2016[/editline] Even if they go to federal buildings, it's state electricity and water that's powering them.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51284607]Utilities aren't federally governed, however. [editline]30th October 2016[/editline] Even if they go to federal buildings, it's state electricity and water that's powering them.[/QUOTE] ridge bullshitted up how these dudes are absolved of the responsibility for damaging the facilities they illegally broke into because the government switched off the water and electricity it implies that the government is at fault here when in fact its these cowards who alone share the responsibility for what they did

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51283398]"Ignore them and they'll go away" doesn't really apply when it comes to an armed occupation of federal property. Care to address their [I]other[/I] acts of damage and destruction? We've dealt with the latrine pit that disturbed a burial ground, please move on to the next.[/QUOTE] Sure, what else you got? The gravel road they laid down? Or the wire fence they cut? [editline]30th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51284596]the point is more that these hicks are hypocrites fighting for a dumb cause with their ideology literally being that they want no government i mean bundy claimed that he didnt have to pay grazing fees because he considered the authority he was to pay it to illegitimate[/QUOTE] Again, he felt that the feds took it wrongly from the state government, whom he was still sending his rent checks to. [editline]30th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;51284633]ridge bullshitted up how these dudes are absolved of the responsibility for damaging the facilities they illegally broke into because the government switched off the water and electricity it implies that the government is at fault here when in fact its these cowards who alone share the responsibility for what they did[/QUOTE] I don't agree with what they did, but to call them cowards is the only bullshit on this page. They literally put it all on the line to advance their beliefs.

[QUOTE=Ridge;51284670]Again, he felt that the feds took it wrongly from the state government, whom he was still sending his rent checks to.[/quote] wrong, he was and had been sending monies directly to the BLM since 1954. The land is managed by a federal entity, which begs the question of why he would think that the state would need the money if it wasn't responsible for that job. plus there's the fact he was breaking a number of regulations which exist for the benefit of ranchers collectively [quote]I don't agree with what they did, but to call them cowards is the only bullshit on this page. They literally put it all on the line to advance their beliefs.[/QUOTE] I am calling them cowards because that is what they are. They went to a location they knew or expected to have no significant trouble before they finally got up and fucked off after getting bored. They talk the talk but don't walk the walk. They're pretend men who boast of their courage yet shirk the actual burden that that it would require. They didn't stand up for their beliefs, they preferred to find a comfortable grave to squat over.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51284633]ridge bullshitted up how these dudes are absolved of the responsibility for damaging the facilities they illegally broke into because the government switched off the water and electricity it implies that the government is at fault here when in fact its these cowards who alone share the responsibility for what they did[/QUOTE] Satirically calling them "socialist leeches expecting to mooch off the government for water and electricity" has nothing to do with disproving Ridge. It's just a cheap jab at their beliefs by implying they're more extreme than what they are.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51284752]Satirically calling them "socialist leeches expecting to mooch off the government for water and electricity" has nothing to do with disproving Ridge. It's just a cheap jab at their beliefs by implying they're more extreme than what they are.[/QUOTE] not really too sure how i can imply they're more extreme than what they are considering they literally did not accept that the BLM had the right to collect a bunch of grazing fees and then they decided to break into some property they didn't own and damage it - which makes them hypocrites

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51284766]not really too sure how i can imply they're more extreme than what they are considering they literally did not accept that the BLM had the right to collect a bunch of grazing fees and then they decided to break into some property they didn't own and damage it - which makes them hypocrites[/QUOTE] Perhaps so with that, but they're not hypocrites for wanting water and electricity given by the government, which is what your post was about.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51284778]Perhaps so with that, but they're not hypocrites for wanting water and electricity given by the government, which is what your post was about.[/QUOTE] It seemed rather unfair considering that they didn't own the facilities. ridge said that if the utilities hadn't been turned off then they wouldn't have caused those damages - which is a bullshit argument at its core

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51284794]It seemed rather unfair considering that they didn't own the facilities. ridge said that if the utilities hadn't been turned off then they wouldn't have caused those damages - which is a bullshit argument at its core[/QUOTE] So you're saying they would have dug a latrine regardless of water flowing or not simply because it fits in with a more extreme ideology than what they're following?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51284976]So you're saying they would have dug a latrine regardless of water flowing or not simply because it fits in with a more extreme ideology than what they're following?[/QUOTE] the utilities are irrelevant. they were causing damage to the facilities regardless of water flowing or not, considering that ridges argument was that if the water/electricity wasn't switched off they wouldn't have caused damage in the first place. this ignores the fact that what they were doing in the first place (breaking into somebody elses property) was illegal and unjustified ridges entire argument is complete trash in the first place because in it he seeks to absolve these guys of any responsibility for their actions by indirectly blaming the government for it

When you refer to his, who are you referring to?

[QUOTE=Sally;51285031]When you refer to his, who are you referring to?[/QUOTE] ridge. the dude who was arguing about the cowards in the woods digging a toilet in a grave because the water got turned off

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51284976]So you're saying they would have dug a latrine regardless of water flowing or not simply because it fits in with a more extreme ideology than what they're following?[/QUOTE] Why are you basically putting this on the feds, when they could've, y'know, just left the property they didn't own? It's a bullshit argument in the first place - they had no right to be there, the feds can't take responsibility for any of the dumb shit they did. It's like a child stealing someone else's toy, then, when the other kid takes it back, he punches him on the face. And now you're arguing that that was a-okay, because he could've just let him have the toy? Oh, and also, the kid's totally into private property. Or am I misrepresenting what you're saying?

So basically the feds fucked this up, just like the prosecutors fucked up Zimmerman's trial: Overcharging. Instead of charging the guys with things like traspassing, they charged them with much tougher and serious crimes like conspiracy, which are harder to prove, and why they were found not guilty.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51287292]So basically the feds fucked this up, just like the prosecutors fucked up Zimmerman's trial: Overcharging. Instead of charging the guys with things like traspassing, they charged them with much tougher and serious crimes like conspiracy, which are harder to prove, and why they were found not guilty.[/QUOTE] You're severally misinformed if you think the feds are going to settle on a trespassing charge.

[QUOTE=Code3Response;51287637]You're severally misinformed if you think the feds are going to settle on a trespassing charge.[/QUOTE] Trespassing and weapons charges would have locked them up for at least 10 years.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51287292]So basically the feds fucked this up, just like the prosecutors fucked up Zimmerman's trial: Overcharging. Instead of charging the guys with things like traspassing, they charged them with much tougher and serious crimes like conspiracy, which are harder to prove, and why they were found not guilty.[/QUOTE] well they were basically armed militants who broke into some buildings and threatened to shoot people

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51287863]well they were basically armed militants who broke into some buildings and threatened to shoot people[/QUOTE] They were basically armed protesters protesting on federal land.

How were they acquitted of possessing firearms on federal land? That's an undisputed fact.

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;51287943]How were they acquitted of possessing firearms on federal land? That's an undisputed fact.[/QUOTE] Those firearms charges were tied to the other larger charges, so when the jury found them not guilty of the larger charges (like conspiracy), the other charges like firearm possession went out with it. The prosecutor basically fucked up by swinging for the fences.

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;51287943]How were they acquitted of possessing firearms on federal land? That's an undisputed fact.[/QUOTE] Because this is how the jury rolls. They can decide whatever they want.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51287882]They were basically armed protesters protesting on federal land.[/QUOTE] yeah, and being quite violent as well at times and stealing

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51287985]yeah, and being quite violent as well at times and stealing[/QUOTE] ......Ferguson......

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;51288688]......Ferguson......[/QUOTE] what relevance does that have?

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;51287943]How were they acquitted of possessing firearms on federal land? That's an undisputed fact.[/QUOTE] Because that's not illegal?? Obama's one good legacy with me is that he made firearms completely legal on all national parks, and most federal lands.