Danish elections over, opposition wins, racist bullshit party comes in second - Polidicks

Ouch, RIP Radikale.

[QUOTE=Riller;48002923] Basically, the Danish actually-right-wing party beat out [B]the traditional leader of the 'right' wing, [U]Left[/U][/B]. [/QUOTE] so is it a tradition outside of America to name your political party after the opposing ideology :v:

I think one of the problems is that immigrants are having a hard time to mix in. One of my customers (as an ex-cashier/shopkeeper) said that it was the longest time he had spoke to any Dane .. and it was around 5-7 mins. Since we're keeping them out of our society, they will try make their own and keep an distance from us. If we where a bit more welcoming .. we might not have that many immigrant related crimes. But again .. just a thought.

"The best way to solve the immigration integration problem is to ignore the problem and just keep them out of mind" is the usual rhetoric from anti-immigration parties. If you want people to integrate, put actual fucking effort into it instead of just handing them cash and plugging your ears when it causes problems.

[QUOTE=Zhid;48003336]No? I don't want more immigrants in my country not because they're brown but it's a matter of overpopulation and economy. The kind of people I debate with, omg.[/QUOTE] Funny you should say that, considering Denmark is actually slowly getting underpopulated. There are legitimate reasons to be against immigration, but this is really not one of them.

[QUOTE=Riller;48003358]Overpopulation is a myth and immigrants are positive for the economy in low population growth countries like most of western Europe.[/QUOTE] Think you're forgetting about a certain Scandinavian country now

The racism card is being thrown a lot around here. It's not about racism. I'm all for helping those in need, but we have a lot of social leeches in our system, who are up to no good, just taking advantage of the hospitality. This guy summarizes pretty well what happens if we get too scared to set boundaries. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw[/media]

[QUOTE=The Saiko;48003235]Anti-immigration is literally racism. When you talk about having too much immigrants, no one means americans or europeans. By immigrants people mean syrian, lybian and people from other arabic countries. And by saying "We don't want those people here; the white people ar fine though" you are being a racist. Is that that hard to grasp?[/QUOTE] I think it means immigration from countries with different cultural backgrounds and with populations that have had issues with assimilating. The problem why similar parties get into power isn't that they try to appeal to the lowest common denominator (the rest of their policies tends to be shit and many actually know it) but that well established countries sometimes refuse to tackle certain problems, in part due to fears of being called racist, closeted, fascists and who knows what else. it means fringe parties can easily grow into becoming incredibly strong players and often try to tackle the problem in a much more heavy handed aproach compared to if an established, moderate party started looking into it. The party became the second strongest. Which means, something in their program is appealing and is driving people to vote for them. a) they can be a protest party (people vote them because they want to show a dislike for established parties) b) they are dealing with a problem that established parties aren't or which established parties consider too tiny to care. As such people start voting them, even if they sometimes disagree with the methods they want to use

[QUOTE=mrpirate;48003547]How did you come to the conclusion that Liberal Alliance is libertarian? 40% tax is pretty far from libertarian. Voted for them because if you care about personal freedom and are against more surviliance, you basicly got the choice between them, Enhedslisten (a party which wanted to abolish private land ownership until some years ago) and alternativet (which is a fine protest party, but i'm having a hard time taking them serius). Although the results suck with DF getting so many votes. The positive side is that 20% of people voted for personal freedom (I+Ø+Å).[/QUOTE] Because 40% is still lower than the tax rate today, they want to lower taxes which is a libertarian view.

[QUOTE=Tinter;48003978]Because 40% is still lower than the tax rate today, they want to lower taxes which is a libertarian view.[/QUOTE] Just because they want to lower taxes dosn't make them libertarian. If you have a 90% tax rate and a party wants to lower it to 80%, that wouldn't make them libertarian. Liberal Alliance is Social Liberals, like most parties in Denmark really. You could argue that they have libertarian tendencies (for example personal freedom). They still want to maintain the majority of the public sector we have and would probably be called marxists in America.

Calling DF a racist nazi party is just preposterous. [URL="https://danskernesparti.dk/"]This[/URL] is what the real deal is.

[QUOTE=Silikone;48004417]Calling DF a racist nazi party is just preposterous. [URL="https://danskernesparti.dk/"]This[/URL] is what the real deal is.[/QUOTE] They'll probably die out like svenskarnas parti. [QUOTE=Riller;48003358]Overpopulation is a myth and immigrants are positive for the economy in low population growth countries like most of western Europe.[/QUOTE] Most of these immigrants right now are refugees that come from poor countries that have hardly no education over 9th grade. Money is being spent on housing and shit when there is hardly no housing left for young adults and students. There are educated people in MENA but they are a microscopic amount. There is most likely more educated people per 100.000 in neighboring European countries. Look at Lebanon. They have taken in 1,5 million refugees and their total population is 4,5 million. It's taking a toll on them. Sweden can't handle all these either. 100.000 per year and which of these wanna return to Syria when the war is over? Not many I bet entire fucking Damascus is in ruins and the same is going to happen to Iraq. Integration, work, education, language and living takes not only money but time. Failure to meet these requirements can lead to frustration for the refugees and also the country's population. Also overpopulation may lead to a problem with resources and environment, more vehicles = less oil, more cows for food and milk = more wood getting chopped down for fields.

[QUOTE=Nak;48003721]I think one of the problems is that immigrants are having a hard time to mix in. One of my customers (as an ex-cashier/shopkeeper) said that it was the longest time he had spoke to any Dane .. and it was around 5-7 mins. Since we're keeping them out of our society, they will try make their own and keep an distance from us. If we where a bit more welcoming .. we might not have that many immigrant related crimes. But again .. just a thought.[/QUOTE] Forgive me for being the ignorant American untermensch here, but that's how we usually do it and it's paid off big-time here. The concept of an ethnically homogeneous society is incompatible with the global era, it's high time to admit that and start working on ways to integrate the new with the old rather than be dragged, kicking and screaming, behind the rest of the world.

[QUOTE=mrpirate;48004408]Just because they want to lower taxes dosn't make them libertarian. If you have a 90% tax rate and a party wants to lower it to 80%, that wouldn't make them libertarian. Liberal Alliance is Social Liberals, like most parties in Denmark really. You could argue that they have libertarian tendencies (for example personal freedom). They still want to maintain the majority of the public sector we have and would probably be called marxists in America.[/QUOTE] Candidates like B. Olsen have mentioned 20%, and even 40% would be a pretty big decrease. Not to mention a lot of other stuff they're going to cut. They want the corporate tax to be halved, and make cars a lot cheaper by removing the registration fee. I don't really believe they wouldn't go further, but that's just my personal opinion. There's no reason to use the US as a reference, otherwise every party in Denmark would just be called socialist.

[QUOTE=Silikone;48004417]Calling DF a racist nazi party is just preposterous. [URL="https://danskernesparti.dk/"]This[/URL] is what the real deal is.[/QUOTE] That my neighbour is literally, actually, physically Hitler does not make it okay for me to join the KKK.

Are the Danish People's Party really National Socialist? Facepunch users tend to have such a bias and vendetta against anything right of Gandhi that it really doesn't help to throw your own prejudices in with the facts.

[QUOTE=Jame's;48004990]Are the Danish People's Party really National Socialist? Facepunch users tend to have such a bias and vendetta against anything right of Gandhi that it really doesn't help to throw your own prejudices in with the facts.[/QUOTE] If you mean National Socialists as in "Nazis" then no (and not even close), but it is a nationalistic party with a lot of socialistic policies.

[QUOTE=Ferosso;48003957]The racism card is being thrown a lot around here. It's not about racism. I'm all for helping those in need, but we have a lot of social leeches in our system, who are up to no good, just taking advantage of the hospitality. This guy summarizes pretty well what happens if we get too scared to set boundaries. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KSJY0c8QWw[/media][/QUOTE] I mean how is this guy taken seriously? He's throwing up strawmen left and right and twisting statistics and news stories to fit his narrative. For instance, it's obvious that places such as Malmö are bound to have "swedes" as a minority when you define everyone who isn't born in Sweden to two fully swedish parents as "immigrants". Really? How in the world can someone be considered an immigrant if just a single one of their grandparents was an immigrant? In Norway, and I assume Sweden too, we have a term for people like this, calling them 'n-th generation immigrants'. This means that if my grandmother was from, say, Poland, and my three other grandparents are norwegians, I am not considered to be a norwegian. Instead, I'm a "third generation immigrant". You can make of that as you will, but in my eyes this is a totally bullshit way to be thinking about or 'measuring' ethnicity. And this is somehow super duper ingrained in some people over here! Not too long ago a young woman, born and raised in Norway, fluently speaking norwegian and studying law at university level, was threatened with beheading because she claimed to be "just as norwegian as Hege Storhaug" (a prominent anti-immigration writer). I don't know about anyone else, but I think that's pretty disturbing.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48005054]If you mean National Socialists as in "Nazis" then no (and not even close), but it is a nationalistic party with a lot of socialistic policies.[/QUOTE] Thank you.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;48004694]Candidates like B. Olsen have mentioned 20%, and even 40% would be a pretty big decrease. Not to mention a lot of other stuff they're going to cut. They want the corporate tax to be halved, and make cars a lot cheaper by removing the registration fee. I don't really believe they wouldn't go further, but that's just my personal opinion. There's no reason to use the US as a reference, otherwise every party in Denmark would just be called socialist.[/QUOTE] Your argument is like calling Venstre neoconservative because of Anders Fogh. Yeah sure B. Olsen is far right and a hypocrite i think personally, but that still dosn't make the party libertarian for wanting a 40% tax. Libertarians dosn't believe in public hospitals, schools etc. Which LA clearly does.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48004558]Forgive me for being the ignorant American untermensch here, but that's how we usually do it and it's paid off big-time here. [B]The concept of an ethnically homogeneous society is incompatible with the global era[/B][/QUOTE] Not everybody against immigration is saying that. You also don't really give us any reasons. Only reason I can think of is declining birth rates in the developed world.

[QUOTE=A Noobcake;48005113]I mean how is this guy taken seriously? He's throwing up strawmen left and right and twisting statistics and news stories to fit his narrative. For instance, it's obvious that places such as Malmö are bound to have "swedes" as a minority when you define everyone who isn't born in Sweden to two fully swedish parents as "immigrants". Really? How in the world can someone be considered an immigrant if just a single one of their grandparents was an immigrant? In Norway, and I assume Sweden too, we have a term for people like this, calling them 'n-th generation immigrants'. This means that if my grandmother was from, say, Poland, and my three other grandparents are norwegians, I am not considered to be a norwegian. Instead, I'm a "third generation immigrant". You can make of that as you will, but in my eyes this is a totally bullshit way to be thinking about or 'measuring' ethnicity. And this is somehow super duper ingrained in some people over here! Not too long ago a young woman, born and raised in Norway, fluently speaking norwegian and studying law at university level, was threatened with beheading because she claimed to be "just as norwegian as Hege Storhaug" (a prominent anti-immigration writer). I don't know about anyone else, but I think that's pretty disturbing.[/QUOTE] I hear what you're saying. I don't believe too much on the statistic stuff he's saying. I'm talking about the overall idea of hospitality and fear of being racist overshadowing the integrity of your own morale and values. To be absolutely frank, the problem I'm adressing here is the far overshadowing group of people from lesser developed muslim cultures. That's the vast majority of immigrants. Not American, Japanese or French people. Everybody wants to be open minded, from the bottom of their hearts - I'm sure of that. But at the same time, everybody is so afraid of adressing the actual problem, which is unintegrated, trouble making immigrants. All out of fear of being called a racist. It's not the American kids that hangs out at train stations late at night, harrassing people. It's not the French kids that beats people down. It's not the Japanese kids breaking into houses, cars and what not. It's a matter of difference in culture and how we're raised - And call me a racist if you must, but the muslim culture in under developed countries is just that much different from ours. I'm not saying that all muslims are criminals or not willing to be a part of the Danish society, but I'm saying that you can't deny the fact that a huge amount of the previously mentioned felonies are commited by this group. Not race. Group. I live in Copenhagen (Denmarks capital to people not knowing), and I've had my experiences first hand with these people. They are fucking hustlers, cowards and pricks. Two of my friends got beat down by 28 muslim youngsters 3 years ago, because they wouldn't hand some guy their phone. Then he called a friend and they came storming from around the corner and just kicked the shit out them and stole their phones and wallets. That experience and many other is what makes me have an opinion on the topic of immigration. Not as much who we welcome to the country, as much as how we let this group of reckless idiots treat us and everyone is too afraid to point out the actual problem in fear of being labeled. I don't care about your skin color, your language, your religion or your sexuality. I expect you don't either if you want to be a part of my culture in my country. I care about how you behave, and if I repeatedly see you being a complete dick to me and my country, I can't not care about that. I don't want to see you beating down gay people in the street when we fucking let you in to our country and gave you food and shelter. [editline]19th June 2015[/editline] I got a bit off topic there. But my conclusion is; this is a big part of the reason as of why DPP was elected. That topic title is pretty fuckin biased. If you want to be open minded to other cultures, you should atleast be open minded to other opinions. Anything else is just hypocritical.

[QUOTE=Bonde;48002969]I'm honestly concerned if the main focus of the possible new right wing government will be stricter immigration policies (aka keep the brown people out) rather than actual liberal economical policies. The DPP's strategy of appealing to the popular opinion of the lowest common denominator is apparently working extremely well for them, and that worries me, as I find their rhetoric degrading of other people more often than not.[/QUOTE] That's the reason why the DPP's won, because of not only immigrants but their policy of "It'll be better helping them at home, than having to learn them a whole new culture" which is a ton more easy on the big bank as well.

[QUOTE=Jame's;48005142]Thank you.[/QUOTE] The reason they sometimes get called Nazis is because they're the most xenophobic political party in the mainstream.

I'm just confused on the party called Left (Venstre) being "Right-wing liberal-socialist party". Anyone want to explain that description or is it just badly worded/wrong?

[QUOTE=Octavius;48007962]I'm just confused on the party called Left (Venstre) being "Right-wing liberal-socialist party". Anyone want to explain that description or is it just badly worded/wrong?[/QUOTE] They were a left-wing party back when they were founded in 1870. There was also the party Højre (Right), which are the conservatives. Venstre was to the left of those, so it made a lot of sense then. I guess the name just stayed with them as time went on and they became a right-wing party. edit: misunderstood your post, my bad. I guess this post can serve as an explanation to the party's name instead :v:

[QUOTE=.apex;48008269]They were a left-wing party back when they were founded in 1870. There was also the party Højre (Right), which are the conservatives. Venstre was to the left of those, so it made a lot of sense then. I guess the name just stayed with them as time went on and they became a right-wing party.[/QUOTE] I get the name, I meant the description Riller provided was confusing since the socialist description is contradictory to right-wing and liberal.

[QUOTE=Octavius;48008302]I get the name, I meant the description Riller provided was confusing since the socialist description is contradictory to [b]right-wing and liberal.[/b][/QUOTE] Modern social-democracy/eurosocialism is synonymous with exactly that. Greek PASOK, German SPD, British Labour, etc.

[QUOTE=Conscript;48008358]Modern social-democracy/eurosocialism is synonymous with exactly that. Greek PASOK, German SPD, British Labour, etc.[/QUOTE] Yea, and none of those are really described as being socialist ideologically but social democratic, yet Riller said socialist so I just wondered if there was a legitimate reason for that description.

Lovely that we might get a Prime Minister that actively refuses to acknowledge all modern climate science, great public face for the rest of the world. But hey, they're gonna fix the immigration problem and make sure our slaughter animals has better conditions, right guys???? [editline]20th June 2015[/editline] And while it may not be racist to deny a demographic that has a (marginally) higher statistical likelihood for crime entry, it is fucking coldhearted to deny asylum to people fleeing war, and most of them are that demographic; Muslims from the middle east & north Africa. So from my perspective a whole generation of incoming refugees are gonna be barred entrance because of the offspring of the generation 2 generations before them.(fun fact: It's 2nd and 3th generation immigrants making the crime rates for immigrants altogether rise)