Danish elections over, opposition wins, racist bullshit party comes in second - Polidicks

[QUOTE=kaskade700;48008555]Lovely that we might get a Prime Minister that actively refuses to acknowledge all modern climate science, great public face for the rest of the world. But hey, they're gonna fix the immigration problem and make sure our slaughter animals has better conditions, right guys???? [editline]20th June 2015[/editline] And while it may not be racist to deny a demographic that has a (marginally) higher statistical likelihood for crime entry, it is fucking coldhearted to deny asylum to people fleeing war, and most of them are that demographic; Muslims from the middle east & north Africa. So from my perspective a whole generation of incoming refugees are gonna be barred entrance because of the offspring of the generation 2 generations before them.(fun fact: It's 2nd and 3th generation immigrants making the crime rates for immigrants altogether rise)[/QUOTE] Actually the DPP might actually not live up to their responsibility, as they have said previously that they want to avoid being part of the government, which is why Kristian Thulesen Dahl might not even become prime minister, despite being the leader of the biggest party on the right wing. I think DPP do this because they have realized that they can't live up to the expectations of the voters. Over the last 15 years, they haven't done much actual governing, despite a significant increase in voters. If they don't become part of the formed government, they don't have to put the time and effort into actually governing, but can sit on the sideline influencing the politics of the actual government.

[QUOTE=Ferosso;48006703]I hear what you're saying. I don't believe too much on the statistic stuff he's saying. I'm talking about the overall idea of hospitality and fear of being racist overshadowing the integrity of your own morale and values. To be absolutely frank, the problem I'm adressing here is the far overshadowing group of people from lesser developed muslim cultures. That's the vast majority of immigrants. Not American, Japanese or French people. Everybody wants to be open minded, from the bottom of their hearts - I'm sure of that. But at the same time, everybody is so afraid of adressing the actual problem, which is unintegrated, trouble making immigrants. All out of fear of being called a racist. It's not the American kids that hangs out at train stations late at night, harrassing people. It's not the French kids that beats people down. It's not the Japanese kids breaking into houses, cars and what not. It's a matter of difference in culture and how we're raised - And call me a racist if you must, but the muslim culture in under developed countries is just that much different from ours. I'm not saying that all muslims are criminals or not willing to be a part of the Danish society, but I'm saying that you can't deny the fact that a huge amount of the previously mentioned felonies are commited by this group. Not race. Group. I live in Copenhagen (Denmarks capital to people not knowing), and I've had my experiences first hand with these people. They are fucking hustlers, cowards and pricks. Two of my friends got beat down by 28 muslim youngsters 3 years ago, because they wouldn't hand some guy their phone. Then he called a friend and they came storming from around the corner and just kicked the shit out them and stole their phones and wallets. That experience and many other is what makes me have an opinion on the topic of immigration. Not as much who we welcome to the country, as much as how we let this group of reckless idiots treat us and everyone is too afraid to point out the actual problem in fear of being labeled. I don't care about your skin color, your language, your religion or your sexuality. I expect you don't either if you want to be a part of my culture in my country. I care about how you behave, and if I repeatedly see you being a complete dick to me and my country, I can't not care about that. I don't want to see you beating down gay people in the street when we fucking let you in to our country and gave you food and shelter. [editline]19th June 2015[/editline] I got a bit off topic there. But my conclusion is; this is a big part of the reason as of why DPP was elected. That topic title is pretty fuckin biased. If you want to be open minded to other cultures, you should atleast be open minded to other opinions. Anything else is just hypocritical.[/QUOTE] I'm reading you, but I still disagree on the fundamental idea behind the solution to this issue. I don't believe that being harder on immigrants, establishing a culture of "immigrants are a problem" or anything like that will do anything other than make it harder for immigrants to integrate into society. Poor integration is the issue to begin with, and this only serves to make it worse. Instead, I believe that an improved integration program is the way to go. Immigrants that are struggling with being integrated do not need to be turned into villains, they need more safety nets, a better system around them and a more welcoming society. What parties like DPP are doing is establishing a culture where blatant racism and hate is okay, and the groups that are being subjected to all this will most definitely not have an easier time being integrated into a society where viewing them as a problem is considered okay.

[QUOTE=Bonde;48009568]Actually the DPP might actually not live up to their responsibility, as they have said previously that they want to avoid being part of the government, which is why Kristian Thulesen Dahl might not even become prime minister, despite being the leader of the biggest party on the right wing. I think DPP do this because they have realized that they can't live up to the expectations of the voters. Over the last 15 years, they haven't done much actual governing, despite a significant increase in voters. If they don't become part of the formed government, they don't have to put the time and effort into actually governing, but can sit on the sideline influencing the politics of the actual government.[/QUOTE] I know Løkke is gonna be optimus prime, it's just the thought that these people has been put into a position where they'd actually have the power to do so :v: As someone said on first page, all I hope is that so little is able to get done in the next years that an early re election is forced.

[QUOTE=A Noobcake;48009618]I'm reading you, but I still disagree on the fundamental idea behind the solution to this issue. I don't believe that being harder on immigrants, establishing a culture of "immigrants are a problem" or anything like that will do anything other than make it harder for immigrants to integrate into society. Poor integration is the issue to begin with, and this only serves to make it worse. Instead, I believe that an improved integration program is the way to go. Immigrants that are struggling with being integrated do not need to be turned into villains, they need more safety nets, a better system around them and a more welcoming society. What parties like DPP are doing is establishing a culture where blatant racism and hate is okay, and the groups that are being subjected to all this will most definitely not have an easier time being integrated into a society where viewing them as a problem is considered okay.[/QUOTE] Exactly my thoughts. The DPP don't just try to "solve" the problem by restricting immigration even further, they also use a very hostile rhetoric that makes the immigrants already in this country feel very unwelcome. My impression is that part of their voters at least don't even want Muslims integrated in the country at all, and that is where a major part of the problem lies. Many of the youth that have a history of causing trouble aren't even immigrants, as they were born and raised here. The problem arises when certain youth groups don't feel like they belong, or feel like they are downright unwanted in the society they live in. This leads to frustration, and young people with lots of frustrations tend to act them out in irrational ways.

[QUOTE=Octavius;48008302]I get the name, I meant the description Riller provided was confusing since the socialist description is contradictory to right-wing and liberal.[/QUOTE] All Danish parties except the conservatives and Liberal Alliance are varying degrees of socialist. [editline]20th June 2015[/editline] However, on a Danish scale, only being slightly socialist like Left is, is being very right-wing compared to the rest. You adjust the center according to the average.

No, DF might not be literal Nazis. They are, however, certifiably insane. This is a party that wanted to ban satellite dishes, because they didn't want Arabs to watch Arabic television for fucks sake.

Let's look at the last year-ish's proposals by DF. - DNA-registration of all new refugees. - Deport refugees to Kenya - Put a limit on the percentage of Muslims in Denmark. - Ban burqas - Ban muslim headdresses in public schools - Introduce pork-quotas in schools and kindergartens - Demand Danish as the only language in schools and at home - Demand 50% of public radio to be Danish-language music (Danish language is, for the record, absolutely horrible for singing) - Shut down international English-language education. [editline]20th June 2015[/editline] These are party-based proposals. On top of that, individual members have proposed - Taxing the English language (Yep. A word-for-word tax on English in advertisement.) - Banning parabolic TV for refugees and immigrants. - Border control on the border between Denmark and Germany (Which is illegal due to the EU open internal borders stuff) And then just to add a personal anecdote, I've been to a debate where the DF candidate openly said that 'all muslims were criminals and small-time terrorists'. Like, actual words he used. In Danish, of course. 'Alle muslimer er kriminelle småterrorister' - Holger Gorm, ~2010 [editline]20th June 2015[/editline] [URL="http://politiken.dk/indland/politik/ECE2721051/24-kontroversielle-forslag-fra-dansk-folkeparti/"]Source, in Danish. Some of the proposals have been rejected since, some are still causes they fight for.[/URL] As a historian, i do approve of the proposal to have actual historical advisers on history-based state-funded film and series.

[QUOTE=Riller;48010413] - Introduce pork-quotas in schools and kindergartens[/QUOTE] what the fuck

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48010643]what the fuck[/QUOTE] Pork is to Denmark what guns and the second ammendment is to USA. People are legit mad that their kids aren't getting their pork on in kindergartens.

[QUOTE=Muggi;48010709]People are legit mad that their kids aren't getting their pork on in kindergartens.[/QUOTE] phrasing

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48010786]phrasing[/QUOTE] That ain't right man

[QUOTE=Muggi;48010709]Pork is to Denmark what guns and the second ammendment is to USA. People are legit mad that their kids aren't getting their pork on in kindergartens.[/QUOTE] I'm sure it also has something to do with the fact that Muslims can't eat it.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48010792]I'm sure it also has something to do with the fact that Muslims can't eat it.[/QUOTE] Well, as someone who as worked in public child-care (SFO, whatever that translates to. After-school place to stash your kids 'till you get off work so you can pick 'em up), I can confirm that pig-based products are getting phased out in favor of non-pig based stuff. This is 100% a move because of health-based initiatives, and 0% a move to be inclusive of muslim kids. When we had ham or whatever on the menu, we also always had an alternative that they could have. Pork isn't getting phased out of public child-care because of muslims, it's getting phased out because of health.

[QUOTE=A Noobcake;48009618]I'm reading you, but I still disagree on the fundamental idea behind the solution to this issue. I don't believe that being harder on immigrants, establishing a culture of "immigrants are a problem" or anything like that will do anything other than make it harder for immigrants to integrate into society. Poor integration is the issue to begin with, and this only serves to make it worse. Instead, I believe that an improved integration program is the way to go. Immigrants that are struggling with being integrated do not need to be turned into villains, they need more safety nets, a better system around them and a more welcoming society. What parties like DPP are doing is establishing a culture where blatant racism and hate is okay, and the groups that are being subjected to all this will most definitely not have an easier time being integrated into a society where viewing them as a problem is considered okay.[/QUOTE] Maybe immigrants need to change a little as opposed to having the host country bend over backwards to accept them as is? If certain immigrants aren't willing to change I don't see a point in accepting them in the first place.

As soon as I don't agree with the results, the average voter is a complete idiot who should have no say in politics! Stay classy, Facepunch

[QUOTE=Riller;48010877]Well, as someone who as worked in public child-care (SFO, whatever that translates to. After-school place to stash your kids 'till you get off work so you can pick 'em up), I can confirm that pig-based products are getting phased out in favor of non-pig based stuff. This is 100% a move because of health-based initiatives, and 0% a move to be inclusive of muslim kids. When we had ham or whatever on the menu, we also always had an alternative that they could have. Pork isn't getting phased out of public child-care because of muslims, it's getting phased out because of health.[/QUOTE] I have no doubt that's the reason pork is getting phased out, I'm just speculating based on the DF's reputation that the meat's status as forbidden to Muslims is part of why they want it to become mandatory in public schools.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48010943]I have no doubt that's the reason pork is getting phased out, I'm just speculating based on the DF's reputation that the meat's status as forbidden to Muslims is part of why they want it to become mandatory in public schools.[/QUOTE] Of course it is. Free cake and juice at hospitals was removed because it turned out to be a terrible idea to have people share food at a place full of sick people, but DF kept complaining it was because large Muslim families kept eating and drinking it all so the hospitals couldn't afford it. They're largely morons.

[QUOTE=Scar;48010929]As soon as I don't agree with the results, the average voter is a complete idiot who should have no say in politics! Stay classy, Facepunch[/QUOTE] It's not because we don't agree with it, it's because their immigration policies is what makes them attractive to people despite them being a more extremist parties with some radical ideas. Other parties don't want to just close the borders and say no to immigrants when many of them are asylum seekers from war torn countries that have no future in their country. Improving the immigration system allowing anybody to become a productive member of our society is the best idea, but it's not easy. What's easy is just say no to everyone.

[QUOTE=Tinter;48011188]IImproving the immigration system allowing anybody to become a productive member of our society is the best idea, but it's not easy. [/QUOTE] Why do we need to take them in? Why do we have any obligation to help these people? How can immigration of unskilled labour be justified when unemployment exists within your country? By the by, do you live next to those asylum seekers? Because I do. Not even 100 meters down the road 200 Syrian refugees are waiting to be processed. Those aren't women and kids, those are 18 to 25 year old males, exactly the kind of people that are needed to FIX THEIR COUNTRY. It's easy to say yes to refugees when you live in your comfortable little white suburb, far away from "the common rabble". That's why all those upper-middle class university liberals are those who are screaming for helping them the loudest, because they don't have any actual experience with them.

[QUOTE=Scar;48011415] exactly the kind of people that are needed to FIX THEIR COUNTRY[/QUOTE] yeah lol why dont they just go home and deal with the horrendous civil war themselves its clearly their fault right, haha fuck em stupid ragheads

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48011426]yeah lol why dont they just go home and deal with the horrendous civil war themselves its clearly their fault right, haha fuck em stupid ragheads[/QUOTE] I couldn't care less what they do or don't, but we're not responsible for them.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48004558]Forgive me for being the ignorant American untermensch here, but that's how we usually do it and it's paid off big-time here. The concept of an ethnically homogeneous society is incompatible with the global era, it's high time to admit that and start working on ways to integrate the new with the old rather than be dragged, kicking and screaming, behind the rest of the world.[/QUOTE] Yes and the US is a nation composed of nothing but immigrants and their descendants. The miniscule actually native population is pretty unimportant in terms of what's going on in the US. Everything in pan US culture is fairly new and not that much older than 200 years. It's a vastly different situation to a lot of established nations in Europe, Asia and other places. Also most advocates for tougher immigrations don't want an ethnically homogeneous society as much as a culturally homogeneous one. There's a reason why asian immigrants are much more readily accepted. They are generally culturally indistinguishable in two generations.

[QUOTE=Scar;48011415][B]Why do we need to take them in? Why do we have any obligation to help these people?[/B] How can immigration of unskilled labour be justified when unemployment exists within your country? [/QUOTE] First: because we're decent fucking people who help eachother out. We're socialist democratic societies and the wealth and standard of living we enjoy is much due to the fact that we recognise the importance and implementation of egalitarianism. It's part of our national identities (which makes for some ironic rhetoric from the extreme right). Second: [url=http://www.humanrights.com/what-are-human-rights/videos/right-to-asylum.html]because it's in the UN declaration of human rights.[/url]

[QUOTE=demoguy08;48011770]First: because we're decent fucking people who help eachother out. We're socialist democratic societies and the wealth and standard of living we enjoy is much due to the fact that we recognise the importance and implementation of egalitarianism. It's part of our national identities (which makes for some ironic rhetoric from the extreme right). Second: [url=http://www.humanrights.com/what-are-human-rights/videos/right-to-asylum.html]because it's in the UN declaration of human rights.[/url][/QUOTE] It's actually a lot more complicated. While everyone does have the right to asylum, international iurisprudence generally maintains that asylum ought to sought out in the first possible destination and once granted in one country, it shouldn't be granted in another unless there's prudent need. So in a sense Sweden isn't expected to grant said asylum as the refugees had ample opportunity to seek it earlier in destinations far closer to their actual residence. Overall refugee law is pretty complicated as far as I remember, but it's undergone fairly significant evolution (in part due to the Balkan crisis)