'Alt-right' groups will 'revolt' if Trump shuns white supremacy, leaders say - Polidicks

[QUOTE=soulharvester;51590947]Alt-right boogeyman will literally come out from under your bed and kill brown people if trump doesn't declare white people "da best". Seriously sick of hearing the name Richard Spencer, no politician is going to take him or any of his 30k Twitter followers seriously, he's not relevant.[/QUOTE] He's more relevant than he has been in years

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51591111]He's more relevant than he has been in years[/QUOTE] Only because of the leftwing media's focus on him. Take that out and he would still be an unheard of hack to basically everyone. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Make more media about him having more relevance and he will get more relevance from that media.

[QUOTE=Bertie;51590264]The alt-right is the same as GamerGate. There are no "leaders", just like there's no "movement" beyond people talking about the same things in the same spaces of the internet and on rare occasion in real life. This is just a load of noise.[/QUOTE] And I thought alt-right never existed in the first place.

[QUOTE=gman003-main;51590475]But I might still stop by one of the gun stores I pass every day, just to see how much a FAL or an M14 is. If America does go the path of Civil War II: Electric Bugaloo, Myrtle's gonna need someone to cover her.[/QUOTE] Why not just go with a Glock 19?

[QUOTE=Devil Traitor;51591322]And I thought alt-right never existed in the first place.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say it doesn't exist, but it's not an organized movement either.

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51591018] You need the alt right as badly a battered woman needs an abusive spouse.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about? Please explain what you mean by this I'm morbidly curious.

Lmfao you guys are a fucking joke. Do you hear yourselves? "Yeah let's go kick some evil butt!! We will show them!" You sound like bunch of soccer moms holding rolling pins from mediocre family B movie. Who the hell are you even talking to in the first place?

[QUOTE=yff;51591414]Lmfao you guys are a fucking joke. Do you hear yourselves? "Yeah let's go kick some evil butt!! We will show them!" You sound like bunch of soccer moms holding rolling pins from mediocre family B movie. Who the hell are you even talking to in the first place?[/QUOTE] nazis

[QUOTE=yff;51591414]Lmfao you guys are a fucking joke. Do you hear yourselves? "Yeah let's go kick some evil butt!! We will show them!" You sound like bunch of soccer moms holding rolling pins from mediocre family B movie. Who the hell are you even talking to in the first place?[/QUOTE] I'd watch a family movie in which a bunch of soccer moms fight and kill a bunch of nazis [editline]28th December 2016[/editline] wouldn't you?

Which groups?

[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51591346]Why not just go with a Glock 19?[/QUOTE] Because every military ever saw/sees the pistol as an at best second tier weapon to all but the wimpiest rifle.

[QUOTE=St33m;51590271]You've learned nothing from history.[/QUOTE] The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

[QUOTE=Govna;51590605]Violence works in these situations.[/QUOTE] Glad we have people who believe the way to stop oppressive murders from seizing power is to become oppressive murderers.

[QUOTE=L'Citizen;51591611]The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.[/QUOTE] Killing people because of their ideologies.. smells like fascism

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51591806]Glad we have people who believe the way to stop oppressive murders from seizing power is to become oppressive murderers.[/QUOTE] It must feel nice to be able to throw responsibility to the wind in order to claim moral superiority while simultaneously completely disregarding past historical events and the important lessons that can be learned from them.:downs: National Socialism will [i]use[/i] democracy as a tool to enable it to exist in the first place and arguments about "but free speech" to legitimize tolerance for its views, but it is an authoritarian ideology that advocates dictatorship/oligarchy, ethnic and racialist nationalism, prejudice and discrimination against minorities, etc. If/when it comes to power, then it will turn around and dismantle the democracy that allowed it to come to power in the first place and will seek to destroy all corresponding democratic values. This is exactly what happened in the Weimar Republic. I think the reason why we have people unironically arguing that Nazism/Fascism should be tolerated is for much the same reason why we have people today who unironically argue against vaccines: they've never actually seen the consequences for themselves, and past historical examples are but a distant memory to them (if they're aware of any at all); they delude themselves into thinking, "Well everything will be just fine. There's nothing to worry about." That's a dangerous line of thinking to fall into, especially because of how enabling it is. It's much easier to do nothing and lay claim to some kind of vague, generalized sense of moral superiority in the process than it is to admit that there's a problem or the potential for a problem to arise and to either go out and directly confront that problem or to be prepared to confront it if/when it crops up. [editline]28th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=gukki;51591853]Killing people because of their ideologies.. smells like fascism[/QUOTE] Smells like bullshit. We're talking about confronting people who are threatening violence if their demands for white supremacy aren't met. This is not something which we should be casually shrugging off or even protecting (as some people apparently are trying to do) given that it runs completely contrary to our democratic American values-- it is something which we should be fighting against. Please try and keep up with what's going on, would you.

[QUOTE=gukki;51591853]Killing people because of their ideologies.. smells like fascism[/QUOTE] fascists don't have a monopoly on political violence can we all stop pretending they do by saying stupid shit like this

[QUOTE=gukki;51591853]Killing people because of their ideologies.. smells like fascism[/QUOTE] "if we stop the nazis we'll be no better than the nazis!"

Yo Govna, just throwing this out there again, really looking forward to seeing how your militia plays out.

[QUOTE=L'Citizen;51591611]The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.[/QUOTE] That sort of general phrase totally doesn't sound like something some angry 1940s maniac would say.

[QUOTE=Bertie;51590264]The alt-right is the same as GamerGate. There are no "leaders", just like there's no "movement" beyond people talking about the same things in the same spaces of the internet and on rare occasion in real life. This is just a load of noise.[/QUOTE] Oh and, those white supremacist people? loud minority with absolutely no power... If the alt right as a school of fish has to pick for or agaisnt white supremacy, the whole group will fractionate like fucking frog fractions. [editline]28th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=1239the;51590243]Do it. I've always wanted to kill a real life Nazi.[/QUOTE] Im not one to easily call for banning someone, but openly stating you desire to kill someone from a political sub faction seems where i draw the line... even if nazis

@Govna I'm as anti fascist as the next person, but this kind of attitude will solve nothing. With the centrist parties being mostly useless on this question, the alt right is rising and filling an economic void for the (native) working class and the declining middle class the socialists normally would fill, but won't because they're mostly dead and don't want to appear associating with reactionary white males (at least we presume). It's politically incorrect to say mass migration is class warfare, that we shouldn't support intervention in ukraine or syria, or that the left should be euroskeptic. Because of this, leftists are basically reduced to the modern antifa, who are effectively stormtroopers for establishment center-left parties which helps foster the siege mentality and paves the way for an antagonist (the alt right) to advocate against both. What you want will just make martyrs of the alt right as they legitimately claim the far left and mainstream liberal parties are on the same page vis a vis the white working class/middle class, and that they are the new counter culture. The problem is the white male and the white working class feel on the wrong side of history by virtue of birth. By making them feel as a whole under attack by both the left and globalizing capitalism, we are laying the groundwork for a middle class siege mentality that fascism is historically based on. This is why the rust belt went to trump and the brexit vote had a lot of working class people behind it. Literally, hitler rose to power preaching against the threat of international finance above and cultural bolshevism (morally degenerate behavior and art, insurrections particularly in the cities which is where marxists were strongest and coincidentally jews were concentrated) from below. You're not going to repress this out of existence, you need to deal with the race and class issues at the heart of it (and how it relates to the town-countryside divide and the place of a nation-state in today's world) and neither the center left nor center right are doing that because of money, and the far left is in a weird of state of being half dead after the 80s and mostly relegated to a fringe element of mainstream 'SJWs' that beat up people in the street and are obsessed with what you are (identity) not what you do (class). Others, like corbyn, are being attacked within their parties as too radical and not holding appropriate positions on things like brexit. Bernie was criticized as focusing too much on economics and class, and not enough about race, dems wary of his white working class vote. [Quote]That Krugman can wonder at the source of the disdain felt toward the liberal elite while lecturing Trump’s voters on their own self-interest is really quite remarkable. I don’t know that the white working class voted against their economic interest. I don’t pretend that I can define their preferences with such accuracy. Maybe they did. But the working class may reasonably believe that neither party offers them an economic solution. The Republicans are the party of the rich; the Democrats are the party of the rich and poor. Those in between have no place. That sense of hopelessness would be justifiably acute in rural areas. Economic development is hard work in the best of circumstances; across the sparsely populated vastness of rural America, it is virtually impossible. The victories are – and will continue to be – few and far between. The tough reality of economic development is that it will always be easier to move people to jobs than the jobs to people. Which is akin to telling many, many voters the only way possible way they can live an even modest lifestyle is to abandon their roots for the uniformity of urban life. They must sacrifice their identities to survive. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. Follow the Brooklyn hipsters to the Promised Land. This is a bitter pill for many to swallow. To just sit back and accept the collapse of your communities. And I suspect the white working class resents being told to swallow that pill when the Democrats eagerly celebrate the identities of everyone else.[/quote] [url]http://economistsview.typepad.com/timduy/2016/11/on-krugman-and-the-working-class.html[/url] [Quote]Western democracies will be further challenged next year, as populist parties are expected to make gains in Europe, while China and Russia increasingly set the global agenda, taking advantage of a US withdrawal. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, American political scientist Francis Fukuyama famously proclaimed the “end of history”, seeing the triumph of the United States as the only remaining superpower and the leader of Western democracies. “The end point of mankind’s ideological evolution and the universalisation of Western liberal democracy (is) the final form of human government,” he wrote in his best-selling 1992 book, The End of History and the Last Man. Twenty-five years later, Fukuyama’s certainties have all but vanished. Liberal democracy in Europe and the United States is in crisis, while China and Russia demonstrate that authoritarian regimes are increasingly determining global priorities.[/quote] The end of history was built on a bubble and liberal democracy will once again be challenged by the far left and far right, with the individualist middle class civic identity it thrives on savaged by a race and class issue suppressed by post war prosperity then exposed by globalization collapsing said middle class [url]http://www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/news/2017-seen-as-likely-turning-point-for-liberal-democracies/[/url]

[QUOTE=Guriosity;51591018]The whole MO of the left is the equivalent of a kid slapping another kid and cries foul when people act shitty back and then cries victim to weasel out of their shit behavior Your paranoid fever dreams created this nightmare You need the alt right as badly a battered woman needs an abusive spouse.[/QUOTE] Boy I just love how you dismiss alt-right as a generalization applied to "anyone that won't vote Hillary" then turn around and generalize the entire left.

[QUOTE=Judas;51591915]"if we stop the nazis we'll be no better than the nazis!"[/QUOTE] "Stopping naziism is only possible through political cleansing and mass murder" yea, no

[QUOTE=Conscript;51592042]@Govna <a bunch of bullshit>[/QUOTE] This post is schizophrenia manifest.

[QUOTE=gukki;51591853]Killing people because of their ideologies.. smells like fascism[/QUOTE] If your ideology says that I deserve to die because I'm a Jew, it's not an ideology worth even humoring. The sword must be met with sword, the rifle with rifle. If they want death, we'll give it to them.

Thing is, he'll never denounce white supremacy if he can get away with it. You'd have to really corner him. I think he will say and do nothing whateoever. We'll see if the drones worship him blindly or get revolt level pissed.

Go for it. You wouldn't kill me, I'm white. I'll be pissing on any burning crosses I see if you guys wanna meet up.

alt right has become such a vague term It's just nonsense at this point it's like saying I'm post-rightcore. It doesn't make any more sense than calling yourself alt right at this point. Just call them what they actually are: idiots.

[QUOTE=Govna;51591891]That's a dangerous line of thinking to fall into, especially because of how enabling it is. It's much easier to do nothing and lay claim to some kind of vague, generalized sense of moral superiority in the process than it is to admit that there's a problem or the potential for a problem to arise and to either go out and directly confront that problem or to be prepared to confront it if/when it crops up.[/QUOTE] And murdering political dissidents isn't something anyone should consider a valid solution. Who would even get to determine who gets killed? Give the Government that kind of power, and it will be abused to the point where we may as well be a fascist state. Not only that, but there's a good chance you'll only fuel them because nothing makes their "white genocide" cry seem more legitimate than Government forces mass murdering them.

[QUOTE=Oizen;51590554]Is the alt right even real? I have literally never heard anyone use that term to refer to themselves.[/QUOTE] Then you aren't looking hard enough. Gavin Maciness interviewed several of his fellow idiots, some of whom identify as Alt Right. Even if someone doesn't identify as alt right you know roughly what it stands for and umbrella term for a number of ultra conservative ideologies.