'Alt-right' groups will 'revolt' if Trump shuns white supremacy, leaders say - Polidicks

[QUOTE=mchapra;51592288]alt right has become such a vague term It's just nonsense at this point it's like saying I'm post-rightcore. It doesn't make any more sense than calling yourself alt right at this point. Just call them what they actually are: idiots.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]alt right has become such a vague term[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Just call them what they actually are: idiots.[/QUOTE] You are starting to sound like an ideologue again... the group cant be vague and idiots at the same time unless you fill in the vague blanks with idiocy. [editline]28th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51592376]And murdering political dissidents isn't something anyone should consider a valid solution. Who would even get to determine who gets killed? Give the Government that kind of power, and it will be abused to the point where we may as well be a fascist state. Not only that, but there's a good chance you'll only fuel them because nothing makes their "white genocide" cry seem more legitimate than Government forces mass murdering them.[/QUOTE] I determine Govna gets killed first, he will be executioner and executed at the same time, after that he can kill anyone he deems politically undesirable.

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51592448]You are starting to sound like an ideologue again... the group cant be vague and idiots at the same time unless you fill in the vague blanks with idiocy. [/quote] Racism and Sexism are provenly bad ideologies. If you marginalise and discriminate on the basis of something people are born with you're in for a bad time. If one advocates for that kind of discrimination then they are probably an idiot. The definition is vague but I think you'd be hard pressed to find an "alt right" person who is not sexist or racist. Nothing wrong with calling an idiot and idiot. bonus question : if someone is an idiot by virtue of something out of their control is it wrong for me to discriminate against them? Bonus Question 2 : if someone believes intelligence is partially decided by genetics does that make them alt right? [quote] I determine Govna gets killed first, he will be executioner and executed at the same time, after that he can kill anyone he deems politically undesirable.[/QUOTE] is this "let he in a glass house cast the first stone"?

[QUOTE=St33m;51590297]You don't just kill people you disagree with politically. That's a nazi thing, don't become a nazi. Laugh these morons off the stage wherever they go, strive to prove to them they will be on the wrong side of history.[/QUOTE] He has an MLP avatar.

[QUOTE=Johnny Guitar;51592582]He has an MLP avatar.[/QUOTE]And that is relevant because...? Let's not have this descend into personal attacks, please.

I'm pretty sure at this point all the alt-right is is this boogey man for the media to scare people about

[QUOTE=sgman91;51591116]Only because of the leftwing media's focus on him. Take that out and he would still be an unheard of hack to basically everyone. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Make more media about him having more relevance and he will get more relevance from that media.[/QUOTE] Honestly I think what should concern you more is the fact that he's getting media exposure for being a self-righteous asshole, and that there were/are people that [I]still[/I] think to themselves "Hey, this guy gets it!"

[QUOTE=Matthew0505;51590375]Leftists not taking the Nazis seriously as a threat is what let them come to power. So yes, we need to make sure history doesn't repeat itself.[/QUOTE] The Weimar Republic "evolved" into Nazi Germany because the conservative-right wasn't willing to co-operate with the liberal-left, but rather with the fascists.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51592526]The definition is vague but I think you'd be hard pressed to find an "alt right" person who is not sexist or racist. Nothing wrong with calling an idiot and idiot[/QUOTE] Yea but just saying things are a way does not make them so. People can yell all they want that all the alt right is racist and sexist but that is just simply not the case... its a pushback movement to social justice warriors... yes neonazis and sexists and racists are amoungst their loudest members... but they are not the same and just considering them the same thing is the dumb thing to do, is the thing that will get trump elected, is the thing that proves you dont know what you are talking about.

[QUOTE=L'Citizen;51592239]If your ideology says that I deserve to die because I'm a Jew, it's not an ideology worth even humoring. The sword must be met with sword, the rifle with rifle. If they want death, we'll give it to them.[/QUOTE] Are we talking about Islam or Nazism? I honestly couldn't tell the difference. I assume you have the same stance against Islam then?

[QUOTE=rolfum;51592599]I'm pretty sure at this point all the alt-right is is this boogey man for the media to scare people about[/QUOTE] Pretty much this, its like the socialists or the sjws, they exist but like, you know

[QUOTE=yff;51592904]Are we talking about Islam or Nazism? I honestly couldn't tell the difference. I assume you have the same stance against Islam then?[/QUOTE] I walked down the local mosque today and saw, [I]I-shit-you-not[/I], massive human swastikas and aryans goose-stepping their way out of the building, all chanting the name of Muhammad and some of them I think, were even performing gymnastic acts to form a human 88. I was handed a flyer telling me to slaughter Jewish women and that yff made a really apt analogy. [QUOTE=yff;51593031]The fuck is your post even supposed to mean? You literally said nothing. I just want to see his reasoning; if Islam has huge similarities with Nazism, does he have the same opinion on it?[/QUOTE] Facepunch user tries, fails to understand internet joke, fails to understand point of joke even further

[QUOTE=Phycosymo;51593028]I walked down the local mosque today and saw, I shit you not, massive swastikas and aryans goose-stepping their way out of the building, all chanting the name of Muhammad and some of them I think, were even performing gymnastic acts to form a human 88. I was handed a flyer telling me to slaughter Jewish women and that yff made a really apt analogy.[/QUOTE] The fuck is your post even supposed to mean? You literally said nothing. I just want to see his reasoning; if Islam has huge similarities with Nazism, does he have the same opinion on it? [quote]Facepunch user tries, fails to understand internet joke [/quote] Not sure how that was supposed to be interpreted as a joke rather than the attempt to discredit a question.

[QUOTE=yff;51593031]I just want to see his reasoning; if Islam has huge similarities with Nazism, does he have the same opinion on it?[/QUOTE] yes but what does this have to do with anything other than you trying to shoehorn something that's unrelated to the discussion to prove some point.

[QUOTE=Govna;51591891]Smells like bullshit. We're talking about confronting people who are threatening violence if their demands for white supremacy aren't met. This is not something which we should be casually shrugging off or even protecting (as some people apparently are trying to do) given that it runs completely contrary to our democratic American values-- it is something which we should be fighting against. Please try and keep up with what's going on, would you.[/QUOTE] Fascism is definitely un-American and needs to be stomped out. We could start up a Government Committee run by our elected officials to investigate and try suspected fascists, or those with other dangerous ideals. I swear we had one specialized for this case but I'm guessing it fell out of favor. [quote]It must feel nice to be able to throw responsibility to the wind in order to claim moral superiority while simultaneously completely disregarding past historical events and the important lessons that can be learned from them[/quote] Yeah I agree.

[QUOTE=Conscript;51592042]@Govna I'm as anti fascist as the next person, but this kind of attitude will solve nothing. With the centrist parties being mostly useless on this question, the alt right is rising and filling an economic void for the (native) working class and the declining middle class the socialists normally would fill, but won't because they're mostly dead and don't want to appear associating with reactionary white males (at least we presume). It's politically incorrect to say mass migration is class warfare, that we shouldn't support intervention in ukraine or syria, or that the left should be euroskeptic. Because of this, leftists are basically reduced to the modern antifa, who are effectively stormtroopers for establishment center-left parties which helps foster the siege mentality and paves the way for an antagonist (the alt right) to advocate against both. What you want will just make martyrs of the alt right as they legitimately claim the far left and mainstream liberal parties are on the same page vis a vis the white working class/middle class, and that they are the new counter culture. The problem is the white male and the white working class feel on the wrong side of history by virtue of birth. By making them feel as a whole under attack by both the left and globalizing capitalism, we are laying the groundwork for a middle class siege mentality that fascism is historically based on. This is why the rust belt went to trump and the brexit vote had a lot of working class people behind it. Literally, hitler rose to power preaching against the threat of international finance above and cultural bolshevism (morally degenerate behavior and art, insurrections particularly in the cities which is where marxists were strongest and coincidentally jews were concentrated) from below. You're not going to repress this out of existence, you need to deal with the race and class issues at the heart of it (and how it relates to the town-countryside divide and the place of a nation-state in today's world) and neither the center left nor center right are doing that because of money, and the far left is in a weird of state of being half dead after the 80s and mostly relegated to a fringe element of mainstream 'SJWs' that beat up people in the street and are obsessed with what you are (identity) not what you do (class). Others, like corbyn, are being attacked within their parties as too radical and not holding appropriate positions on things like brexit. Bernie was criticized as focusing too much on economics and class, and not enough about race, dems wary of his white working class vote. [url]http://economistsview.typepad.com/timduy/2016/11/on-krugman-and-the-working-class.html[/url] The end of history was built on a bubble and liberal democracy will once again be challenged by the far left and far right, with the individualist middle class civic identity it thrives on savaged by a race and class issue suppressed by post war prosperity then exposed by globalization collapsing said middle class [url]http://www.euractiv.com/section/future-eu/news/2017-seen-as-likely-turning-point-for-liberal-democracies/[/url][/QUOTE] bernie would have won [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moNHfeBJ81I[/media] [editline]28th December 2016[/editline] think it's time to make "bernie would have won" the meme supreme of 2017

[QUOTE=Bertie;51590264]The alt-right is the same as GamerGate. There are no "leaders", just like there's no "movement" beyond people talking about the same things in the same spaces of the internet and on rare occasion in real life. This is just a load of noise.[/QUOTE] Funny how both are populated entirely by white supremacists.

[QUOTE=dark_vivec;51593183]Funny how both are populated entirely by white supremacists.[/QUOTE] Depends on viewpoint. "it's actually about ethics in gaming journalism" I don't understand the extreme leftists who see nazis everywhere

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51592668]Honestly I think what should concern you more is the fact that he's getting media exposure for being a self-righteous asshole, and that there were/are people that [I]still[/I] think to themselves "Hey, this guy gets it!"[/QUOTE] I'm not really too worried about it because they have zero political power and, so far, haven't even been very violent. Their power is continually exaggerated by the left to spin up fear of the right.

is this alt right fake news? pls cnn help me understand!

[QUOTE=gukki;51593192]Depends on viewpoint. "it's actually about ethics in gaming journalism" I don't understand the extreme leftists who see nazis everywhere[/QUOTE] It was never about that, from the beginning gamergators were always a hate group.

[QUOTE=dark_vivec;51593277]It was never about that, from the beginning gamergators were always a hate group.[/QUOTE] Okay, whatever helps you sleep at night.

[QUOTE=dark_vivec;51593277]It was never about that, from the beginning gamergators were always a hate group.[/QUOTE] I never understood the whole gamergate thing. Gamergate was calling out people getting paid for doing good reviews. The opposition was only screaming misogyny. It's the most retarded thing I've ever seen, the 2 sides fighting each other had no reason to fight each other than someone saying "oh these guys hate [I]women[/I] because they saw this article where a article was paid.

[QUOTE=sgman91;51593244]I'm not really too worried about it because they have zero political power and, so far, haven't even been very violent. Their power is continually exaggerated by the left to spin up fear of the right.[/QUOTE] Nobody is ever violent until they are.

[QUOTE=dark_vivec;51593183]Funny how both are populated entirely by white supremacist.[/QUOTE] Oh fuck I didn't know I was a white supremacists. Why did nobody tell me before?

[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;51593314]Oh fuck I didn't know I was a white supremacists. Why did nobody tell me before?[/QUOTE] I don't know about your country but over here if you oppose uncontrolled emigration in anyway you're literally hitler. All I want is help people in need but apparently I'm a nazi because I oppose iraqian militants getting a asylym status.

[QUOTE=gukki;51593307]I never understood the whole gamergate thing. Gamergate was calling out people getting paid for doing good reviews. The opposition was only screaming misogyny. It's the most retarded thing I've ever seen, the 2 sides fighting each other had no reason to fight each other than someone saying "oh these guys hate [I]women[/I] because they saw this article where a article was paid.[/QUOTE] As an ultimatum it worked pretty well. All anyone needed to do was say "stop with the anti-consumer crap or any credibility you have goes down the toilet" and the industry's worst were so eager to retaliate that they destroyed their own credibility in the eyes of the people that actually matter overnight without a care in the world. But that ended up being the Habbo raid to the anti-sjws' Chanology.

[QUOTE=dark_vivec;51593183]Funny how both are populated entirely by white supremacists.[/QUOTE] What?, am I missing something here? Gamergate was a weird one because the "movement's" goals changed depending on what site you were currently on, but I never saw any racism. Facepunch had a huge following of it and for the most part they genuinely seemed bothered by shit journalism. Which was why it was so confusing whenever I found gamergate people on sites like facebook, and they seemed convinced it was a movement about being really fucking sexist and "destroying feminism!!!".

[QUOTE=fulgrim;51593871]What?, am I missing something here? Gamergate was a weird one because the "movement's" goals changed depending on what site you were currently on, but I never saw any racism. Facepunch had a huge following of it and for the most part they genuinely seemed bothered by shit journalism. Which was why it was so confusing whenever I found gamergate people on sites like facebook, and they seemed convinced it was a movement about being really fucking sexist and "destroying feminism!!!".[/QUOTE] Because Gamergate was a movement that was directly criticizing journalists that had direct ties to feminist groups and movements for their corruption, and surprise surprise, they made themselves out to be victims instead of taking any accountability for being corrupt "journalists".

Confusing thread. You have people saying the alt right doesn't exist, then you have people who call themselves alt right, then you have others who say the alt right exists because of and in opposition to SJWs which if anything is an even more vague umbrella term than alt right.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51593903]Confusing thread. You have people saying the alt right doesn't exist, then you have people who call themselves alt right, then you have others who say the alt right exists because of and in opposition to SJWs which if anything is an even more vague umbrella term than alt right.[/QUOTE] Your avatar seems like a good response to this.