Secret program gives NSA, FBI backdoor access to Apple, Google, Facebook, Microsoft data - Polidicks

i think the bigger thing is, now we actually know about this, and thats great, but since this has been going on since 2007 or earlier, what other shit don't we know

does this affect international users?

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;40931698] you know, I do too, and about really private stuff (medical history, etc) so this sort of bothers me.[/QUOTE] Well FYI Skype isn't exactly secure anymore. Skype uses a non-open propriety encryption scheme, which was already a bit suspicious. Then they switched over from direct p2p to "superclusters" which are just servers under Skype control. Then Microsoft bought Skype and there we go. Everything you say on Skype, either through text or voice, has a high probability of being able to be captured and viewed by Microsoft or the feds. Note that I didn't say it IS, just that it's VERY ABLE. It's just too bad that there are no good Skype alternatives. It's been getting shittier in quality and stability recently anyway.

[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;40930977]God people are such sheep about their entire lives being recorded and cataloged by the NSA. We should be rioting in the streets and threatening to burn down Washington for invading our lives like this, but instead people will just like the article and Congress will barely fart.[/QUOTE] Yeah that will work for a while but then they will retaliate with more force. You retaliate with even more force and suddenly it's just a cycle of pointless violence. The direct approach is for last resort bases only. Violence only goes so far.

[QUOTE=GerbilLord;40933874]Well FYI Skype isn't exactly secure anymore. Skype uses a non-open propriety encryption scheme, which was already a bit suspicious. Then they switched over from direct p2p to "superclusters" which are just servers under Skype control. Then Microsoft bought Skype and there we go. Everything you say on Skype, either through text or voice, has a high probability of being able to be captured and viewed by Microsoft or the feds. Note that I didn't say it IS, just that it's VERY ABLE. It's just too bad that there are no good Skype alternatives. It's been getting shittier in quality and stability recently anyway.[/QUOTE] Agreed. [url]http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Skype-with-care-Microsoft-is-reading-everything-you-write-1862870.html[/url]

Given the sheer mass and volume of the data stored, it's unlikely you'll be 'pulled' for random inspection. If for some reason someone pulled all of your files, even then there'd be a massive backlog of mundane material to go through. (Easily done though, a taskforce of 30 low paid government interns could probably have it done in a week.) I mean, yeah, the implications and potentials are terrible. Hyper fascist police state, some sort of super SS-NKVD-HooverFBI, Cartesian Demon, Super Computer Ruler, Matrix, blah blah blah. But the implications and potentials aren't really relevant. Who now days looks through all of the files the Soviet State kept on College students? Who went and browsed casually through SS files for what so and so did in a barn with a goat? And remember that even Hoover's personal archive was destroyed almost entirely when he died. Now, there is a big difference. PRISM isn't the center of an organization that will fail, nor is it anyone's personal powerstash. It's this big, kind of malignant entity that like Sauron's eye scans the breadth and width of the landscape and the only way it will go away is if the unthinkable happens and say, someone throws the one ring into the volcano (or someone militarizes #occupy) But still, there's no need to worry I think. There's no real ostensible reason that someone with the motive, will and immunity to abuse it, let alone abuse it in conjunction with YOU, actually will. Think of how horribly the whole "Oh no, the IRS looked too carefully at Tea Party Tax Exemption Requests" thing has gone. Now imagine if someone was caught SNOOPING ON PEOPLE'S PORN FOR NO GOOD REASON QUICK HANG HIM. And it's not like just the government does this. If say, a company you worked for was subpoenaed, then all of your work correspondence would be seized and then go through length review by discovery teams who decide what is or is not part of what needs to be handed over as evidence. That's everything from the email where you admit to your best friend that you're a gay necrobestialpedophilliac, to the 500gb .rar attachment of foxman porn your coworker sent you during lunch, to the touching love letters from your dying granny who was also your aunt somehow, to the actual important letters where you admitted to knowing your company sold unsafe products. People you would never meet would see every detail of your personal life laid out, and better yet they would be JUDGING IT AND IF IT SHOULD BE SHARED, so they're actually READING IT CLOSELY, so they don't miss the casual throw out you put in during your ERP with the Slovakian man pretending to be a loli where you admit to embezzling a thousand grand. So I mean yeah, PRISM, scary, but only as scary as every day life.

[img]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/images/prism-slide-2.jpg[/img] This image is wrong. To automatically take the cheapest route instead of the closest, you have to change the session priority via BGP. Not many people do that because they want the fastest experience for their users.

Pretty sure this is a load of crap which people are fooling for. Plus... [img]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/images/prism-slide-1.jpg[/img] Why does the timestamp in the bottom right say 20070108 and then the first slide say April 2013...

The government really can't read through every conversation. Don't they just index conversations that have too many "national security breaching" keywords?

[QUOTE=trotskygrad;40929961]well steam isn't on there so your hot furry RP sessions are safe.[/QUOTE] Since Steam disabled /me I was forced to move my hot RP sessions to Gtalk :<

Because fuck the constitution, right?

[QUOTE=DogGunn;40934099]Pretty sure this is a load of crap which people are fooling for. Plus... [img]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/images/prism-slide-1.jpg[/img] Why does the timestamp in the bottom right say 20070108 and then the first slide say April 2013...[/QUOTE] The program was created back in 2007, the slides are from April 2013.

[QUOTE=Egonny;40934512]The program was created back in 2007, the slides are from April 2013.[/QUOTE] Who does such hideous presentations today?

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40934516]Who does such hideous presentations today?[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/ReSptR3zhe4/hqdefault.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;40934516]Who does such hideous presentations today?[/QUOTE] Every government official ever

[QUOTE=demoguy08;40934919]Every government official ever[/QUOTE] leet special forces types are the worst offenders :v:

It's pretty hard/nealy impossible to read iMessage messages between 2 iPhones afaik, and I am pretty sure it is also very hard to get between a skype call too, Chat on the other hand, should be no problem for the government.

[QUOTE=AGMadsAG;40935300]It's pretty hard/nealy impossible to read iMessage messages between 2 iPhones afaik, and I am pretty sure it is also very hard to get between a skype call too, Chat on the other hand, should be no problem for the government.[/QUOTE] If you're trying to attack it, yes. But if you're the one writing the protocol and client then you can make it do anything you want.

What the fuck? -snip-

They probably flagged me that one time I used Off-The-Record messaging. Over Facebook.