Teen killed after sticking head through party bus roof near George Washington Bridge - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Protocol7;37492650]And this kid was neither of those. You're not making any relevant points.[/QUOTE] Yes it was relevant to "nobody has death coming at that age"

Damn, knocked all of his teeth out. Likely brutalized the face, considering the trauma comments and the 'blood on my feet'. Makes me wonder if his neck got slammed against the hatch sides and all, or if it was mostly the head itself that got hit. Makes me wince trying to imagine the details though.

[QUOTE=Killuah;37492653]This is not a random accident, it involved him doing something that he shouldn't. "Teens will be teens" is not an excuse. He was old enough to act sane.[/QUOTE] He was on a double decker bus. With a whole bunch of his friends on it. While the bus was going to a party. Do I need to spell out why "He was old enough to act sane" is a terrible argument?

[QUOTE=RikohZX;37492663]Damn, knocked all of his teeth out. Likely brutalized the face, considering the trauma comments and the 'blood on my feet'. Makes me wonder if his neck got slammed against the hatch sides and all, or if it was mostly the head itself that got hit. Makes me wince trying to imagine the details though.[/QUOTE] Uhh... Why would you even try to picture what happened? Issues, man. Issues. "Makes me wince trying to imagine the details, but I'ma go ahead and imagine the details vividly anyways."

[QUOTE=loopoo;37492656]My father has been a smoker since he was around 16. Are you saying he deserves to die? Drug abusers don't "deserve" death. Addictions aren't easily stopped, hence why they're addictions. You're coming across as a gigantic bunghole.[/QUOTE] No I say he has death coming faster than non-smokers, I did not say he deserves it, actually I said noone deserves to die. You do not always get what you deserve and you do not always deserve what you get. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;37492671]He was on a double decker bus. With a whole bunch of his friends on it. While the bus was going to a party. Do I need to spell out why "He was old enough to act sane" is a terrible argument?[/QUOTE] Yes.

[QUOTE=Killuah;37492681]No I say he has death coming faster than non-smokers, I did not say he deserves it, actually I said noone deserves to die. You do not always get what you deserve and you do not always deserve what you get. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] Yes.[/QUOTE] You really shouldn't be saying that someone has death coming to them, no one should EVER die (besides, you know, age), they should never be put in a situation where a simple mistake can get them killed, therefore, no one ever has it coming. You have shit like breaking your leg coming, scrapping your knees, not being killed.

[QUOTE=Killuah;37492681]Yes.[/QUOTE] So assuming you're a normally functioning, socially active person, you understand how being with your friends can influence you into often stupid decisions? Going into this, that's the exact situation the kid was in. He was on a double decker bus headed to a party (and a sweet 16 party nonetheless), and he made a spur of the moment decision that resulted in his death solely because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Tell me, where does "sanity" come into play here? More importantly, where do you get the right to say people 16 and older are supposed to act sane? 16 seems like an arbitrary age especially considering how people mature at different rates.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;37492702]So assuming you're a normally functioning, socially active person, you understand how being with your friends can influence you into often stupid decisions? Going into this, that's the exact situation the kid was in. He was on a double decker bus headed to a party (and a sweet 16 party nonetheless), and he made a spur of the moment decision that resulted in his death solely because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Tell me, where does "sanity" come into play here? More importantly, where do you get the right to say people 16 and older are supposed to act sane? 16 seems like an arbitrary age especially considering how people mature at different rates.[/QUOTE] Another thing is I hardly see how having fun and being friends n shit is being insane or something, that's really stupid.

[QUOTE=Clementine;37492700]You really shouldn't be saying that someone has death coming to them, no one should EVER die (besides, you know, age), they should never be put in a situation where a simple mistake can get them killed, therefore, no one ever has it coming. You have shit like breaking your leg coming, scrapping your knees, not being killed.[/QUOTE] Why do you not take my posts in the exact way I post them. I didn't say people SHOULD die, there was no moral judgement in my statement. I said "You do stupid stuff, you die faster/have a better chance of dieing. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;37492702]So assuming you're a normally functioning, socially active person, you understand how being with your friends can influence you into often stupid decisions? Going into this, that's the exact situation the kid was in. He was on a double decker bus headed to a party (and a sweet 16 party nonetheless), and he made a spur of the moment decision that resulted in his death solely because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. [B]AND DID THE WRONG THING[/B] Tell me, where does "sanity" come into play here? More importantly, where do you get the right to say people 16 and older are supposed to act sane? 16 seems like an arbitrary age especially considering how people mature at different rates.[/QUOTE] The sanity comes into play when you don't do stupid stuff just because your friends are around. I always hated this kind of group mentality. 16 is old. You are allowed to drive with 16 in many countires. Many people finish their first education with 16. "Haha it's gonna be a cool party lets open the hatch of a doppeldeckerbus look guys how awesome I am for doing what I've been told not to do 3 times" is not cool or acceptable. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Clementine;37492715]Another thing is I hardly see how having fun and being friends n shit is being insane or something, that's really stupid.[/QUOTE] Why do you insist that having fun in a partybus somehow validates acting against safety measures? Is that your kind of fun? Should that be anyones kind of fun?

Really? This is just fucking common sense. Who sticks their head out of the roof of a moving bus. I have absolutely no sympathy for him.

[QUOTE=Killuah;37492720]The sanity comes into play when you don't do stupid stuff just because your friends are around. I always hated this kind of group mentality. 16 is old. You are allowed to drive with 16 in many countires. Many people finish their first education with 16. "Haha it's gonna be a cool party lets open the hatch of a doppeldeckerbus look guys how awesome I am for doing what I've been told not to do 3 times" is not cool or acceptable.[/QUOTE] So, what, peer pressure = insanity? Is that what I'm seeing? I'm a 19 year old male. I still make stupid decisions. The second week of June, I got into a car accident because of my own damn fault (a week after I got my car, too.) Just because you turn 16 doesn't suddenly make you a better decision maker. Experience does. I spent weeks analyzing what happened in my accident, and came to the conclusion that you should always brake and not swerve (even though experienced drivers know this as common sense.) Age is arbitrary. And so what, you end that by saying the kid had it coming because you think his decision wasn't cool or acceptable? What the [I]fuck[/I] is wrong with you?

[QUOTE=dbk21894;37492768]Really? This is just fucking common sense. Who sticks their head out of the roof of a moving bus. I have absolutely no sympathy for him.[/QUOTE] You've got no sympathy for a 16 year old kid who had a brief lapse in judgement? Seriously, how do people like yourself become so cold and callous, the fact is this was just a kid who had a dumb idea and didn't understand why opening the hatch was a bad idea.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37492894]You've got no sympathy for a 16 year old kid who had a brief lapse in judgement? Seriously, how do people like yourself become so cold and callous, the fact is this was just a kid who had a dumb idea and didn't understand why opening the hatch was a bad idea.[/QUOTE] Yeah, you just don't think in these kinds of situations logically, especially when you're still a teenager. I know how it sounds but people who are sticklers about safety regulations and shit like that are often referred to as party poopers

[QUOTE=Protocol7;37492779]So, what, peer pressure = insanity? Is that what I'm seeing? I'm a 19 year old male. I still make stupid decisions. The second week of June, I got into a car accident because of my own damn fault (a week after I got my car, too.) Just because you turn 16 doesn't suddenly make you a better decision maker. Experience does. I spent weeks analyzing what happened in my accident, and came to the conclusion that you should always brake and not swerve (even though experienced drivers know this as common sense.) Age is arbitrary. And so what, you end that by saying the kid had it coming because you think his decision wasn't cool or acceptable? What the [I]fuck[/I] is wrong with you?[/QUOTE] So you acknowledge that it was stupid?

I feel bad for the kid, but that was a pretty stupid thing to do.

[QUOTE=Killuah;37492978]So you acknowledge that it was stupid?[/QUOTE] You did read the first post I ever made in this thread, right? Are you implying stupidity is a justifiable reason for a 16 year old kid to die?

[QUOTE=Protocol7;37493007]You did read the first post I ever made in this thread, right? Are you implying stupidity is a justifiable reason for a 16 year old kid to die?[/QUOTE] I'm not sure how you justify an accident. He stuck his head out of a moving vehicle and paid for it, there is no "justification" involved.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;37493073]I'm not sure how you justify an accident. He stuck his head out of a moving vehicle and paid for it, there is no "justification" involved.[/QUOTE] That's just being pedantic, you know what he means by that post.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;37493073]I'm not sure how you justify an accident. He stuck his head out of a moving vehicle and paid for it, there is no "justification" involved.[/QUOTE] Well Killuah is going on about how the kid had it coming, and while I agree that his decision was stupid (and the first reply to this thread, which is also coincidentally my own, says the kid wasn't smart for it), but the kid had no idea an overpass was coming up. He made a stupid mistake like other teenagers do, except he died. Had he just been hospitalized, I would have been much happier and hoped he learned his lesson, but to say that "well I have no sympathy for the kid because he had a momentary lapse in judgment" is just cold. The point isn't so much that "The kid was an idiot and deserved it." I will agree with that to an extent. But dying at 16 for making a poor judgment call is just cruel, and going further to say "well whatever he had it coming" is a very, very unsympathetic outlook.

Well, in that case stupidity is a valid reason for death regardless of age. This isn't forget to tie your shoes and trip stupid, this is stick your head out of the top of a double-decker bus despite repeatedly being warned not to stupid. Edit: in reply to Pierre. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Protocol7;37493101]Well Killuah is going on about how the kid had it coming, and while I agree (and the first reply to this thread, which is also coincidentally my own, says the kid wasn't smart for it), but the kid had no idea an overpass was coming up. He made a stupid mistake like other teenagers do, except he died. Had he just been hospitalized, I would have been much happier and hoped he learned his lesson, but to say that "well I have no sympathy for the kid because he had a momentary lapse in judgment" is just cold.[/QUOTE] Momentary lapse in judgement is an understatement in my opinion. This is on a different level from other teenage mistakes.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;37493102]Well, in that case stupidity is a valid reason for death regardless of age. This isn't forget to tie your shoes and trip stupid, this is stick your head out of the top of a double-decker bus despite repeatedly being warned not to stupid. Edit: in reply to Pierre.[/QUOTE] Do you not understand that the more friends you are with when having a laugh, the more liable you are to do dumb shit? Then compound the fact that he's a teenager, partying on a bus, and someone is bound to do dumb shit, then lump on the fact he's been told not to do something, and boom recipe for disaster.

I understand that you all think he might've not deserved it, and obviously it's terrible that it happened, but he got warned 4 times. I don't know how it's in that bus, but I'm pretty sure there's warning signs too, for a good reason.

[QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37492894]You've got no sympathy for a 16 year old kid who had a brief lapse in judgement? Seriously, how do people like yourself become so cold and callous, the fact is this was just a kid who had a dumb idea and didn't understand why opening the hatch was a bad idea.[/QUOTE] It's because I know that around 1 Million people live in tent-camps in the middle of the desert in Darfur alone. I'd just feel like an idiot being sorry for one kid on his way to a [I]super-sweet-16[/I]d ieing because his stupid action took an unfortunate ending and not for 1 million people in places like this. And their kids. Kids who think that food and water comes from trucks because the've never seen it different. Now the logical consequence would be feeling sorry for those too but if I REALLY started feeling TRULY sorry for stuff like fugitive camps instead of the usual "what a shame" I'd probably have to sell all my stuff, my technology, my house, which is, on a large part at that, based on exploiting ressources of less fortunate people; invest it in long term developing projects and kill myself because just by living in the western society I am actively worsening things in their places, even by something simple as buying bread, made with the wheat that causes hunger catastrophies in eastern Africa by being forced onto their farms to be "competitive" while being massively subventioned in my country. But I can't do that, I am too much afraid of it, and lazy and acustomed to my lifestyle. Then the least I could do to keep some rest of self-respect is being as little of a biggot as I can be by not feeling sorry for a kid doing something stupid on a party bus.

I wouldn't say he had it coming, unless he did stupid shit like this all the time. That's a bit much. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Pierrewithahat;37493110]Do you not understand that the more friends you are with when having a laugh, the more liable you are to do dumb shit? Then compound the fact that he's a teenager, partying on a bus, and someone is bound to do dumb shit, then lump on the fact he's been told not to do something, and boom recipe for disaster.[/QUOTE] Peer pressure doesn't make something less stupid to do. If you lack the restraint to stop yourself from doing life-threatening things just because people are telling you to, then Darwin is knocking on your door.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;37493102]Momentary lapse in judgement is an understatement in my opinion. This is on a different level from other teenage mistakes.[/QUOTE] But how can we know that? All we know is that, it was a party bus, kid opened the roof latch despite being told not to, hit the overpass with his face and probably nearly instantly died. There are just some wild assumptions flying around here.

[QUOTE=Killuah;37493113]It's because I know that around 1 Million people live in tent-camps in the middle of the desert in Darfur alone. I'd just feel like an idiot being sorry for one kid on his way dieing because his stupid action took an unfortunate ending and not for 1 million kids in places like this. And their kids. Kids who think that food and water comes from trucks because the've never seen it different. Now the logical consequence would be feeling sorry for those too but if I REALLY started feeling TRULY sorry for stuff like fugitive camps instead of the usual "what a shame" I'd probably have to sell all my stuff, my technology, my house which is, on a large part at that, based on exploiting ressources of less fortunate people, invest it in long term developing projects and kill myself because just by living in the western society I am actively worsening things in their places, even by something simple as buying bread, made with the wheat that causes hunger catastrophies in eastern Africa by being forced onto their farms to be "competitive" while being massively subventioned in my country. But because I can't do that, I am too much afraid of it, and lazy and acustomed to my lifestyle. Then the least I could do to keep some rest of self-respect is being as little of a biggot as I can be by not feeling sorry for a kid doing something stupid on a party bus.[/QUOTE] There's a difference between caring like an average person and feeling for them and empathisisng with the folk, and then there's just being a cock. The dude I replied to, was being a cock. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=dogmachines;37493114]I wouldn't say he had it coming, unless he did stupid shit like this all the time. That's a bit much. [editline]1st September 2012[/editline] Peer pressure doesn't make something less stupid to do. If you lack the restraint to stop yourself from doing life-threatening things just because people are telling you to, then Darwin is knocking on your door.[/QUOTE] GEE REALLY? Of course it's still dumb as shit to fucking do but the fact is the larger the crowd and the less likely you are to pay attention to the risks.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;37493127]But how can we know that? All we know is that, it was a party bus, kid opened the roof latch despite being told not to, hit the overpass with his face and probably nearly instantly died. There are just some wild assumptions flying around here.[/QUOTE] I don't see any assumptions in that post, just a statement that sticking your head out of a moving vehicles isn't the same as smoking a cigarette with some friends because you want to feel cool.

[QUOTE=dogmachines;37493145]I don't see any assumptions in that post, just a statement that sticking your head out of a moving vehicles isn't the same as smoking a cigarette with some friends because you want to feel cool.[/QUOTE] And when you're 16 it's hard to morally compare them both.

[QUOTE=Protocol7;37493127]But how can we know that? All we know is that, it was a party bus, kid opened the roof latch despite being told not to, hit the overpass with his face and probably nearly instantly died. There are just some wild assumptions flying around here.[/QUOTE] What assumptions? You were the one bringing up "you are more likely to act stupid when with friends"

[QUOTE=Protocol7;37493153]And when you're 16 it's hard to morally compare them both.[/QUOTE] What does stupidity have to do with morality?