• Communism lives on in Japan.
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[QUOTE=David29;19441676] And as a side note; Communism doesn't work. The success-to-failure ratio for capitalism and communism shows this.[/QUOTE] as a side note: you don't understand how politics work
Chippay, was about to go to bed. Wanted to wish you a good night but you aren't on steam. So I'll say it here.
ok good night i still find the fact that you label yourself a socialist republican enraging though
Thousands of new members? Big fucking whoop, Japan's population is over 127 million. It's going to make fuck all difference.
[QUOTE=Chippay;19441704]as a side note: you don't understand how politics work[/QUOTE] [sarcasm]Oh yeah, brilliant explanation of how my statement was wrong. A++ for effort.[/sarcasm]
[QUOTE=David29;19441742][sarcasm]Oh yeah, brilliant explanation of how my statement was wrong. A++ for effort.[/sarcasm][/QUOTE] you're outdoing yourself in shitty posts please use more fake tags you are a comedy genius
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;19436182]Yes, nuke Japan, even though we are in an alliance with them. :downs:[/QUOTE] And they'll give us robots when they stop falling over on stairs. Not to mention, without Japan, we'd have all the sick fucks roaming the streets looking for their tentacle porn.
[QUOTE=Wakka;19441702]You just pulled that out of your ass. Explain as to why the USSR collapsed. And don't blame it on human nature, that's a fallacy.[/QUOTE] Economic and political failure. [QUOTE=Chippay;19441757]you're outdoing yourself in shitty posts please use more fake tags you are a comedy genius[/QUOTE] The fake tags were there to ensure you had a secure understanding that it was sarcasm and that I wasn't being serious - it seems to me that you aren't exactly clever enough to have worked it out on your own. And the best bit is you still haven't even bothered to explain why I am wrong. I love this 'I'm right and you are wrong and I will just insult you until you agree with me' attitude.
[quote=umi-hebi;19435911]it's where evil people with long noses drink vodka all day and create nukular missiles[/quote] it's our precious bodily fluids
Fuck, that sounds like an exciting manga. I can't wait to see Karl Marx fight off an capitalist pigs with his bare hands for the common man!
The idea behind communism is good, but in the real world there's corruption everywhere...
And in China, North Korea, Cuba, and Vietnam.
Why are North Americans so scared of other countries running regimes different to their own? So what if Japan has a Communist party it may even benefit them somewhat. Why does the USA feel the need to comment and get involved?
[QUOTE=David29;19441781]Economic and political failure.[/QUOTE] No and no because that was waaaay to vague.
[QUOTE=Hunterbrute;19435828]I know how America can solve this rise in communism. [img]http://static.open.salon.com/files/hiroshima1222245155.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] But didn't America already do that once to the poor guys?
[QUOTE=Wakka;19444963]No and no because that was waaaay to vague.[/QUOTE] Mainly, I meant this: [quote]The signing of the treaty, however, was interrupted by the August Coup—an attempted coup d'état against Gorbachev by hardline Communist Party members of the government and the KGB, who sought to reverse Gorbachev's reforms and reassert the central government's control over the republics. After the coup collapsed, Yeltsin—who had publicly opposed it—came out as a hero while Gorbachev's power was effectively ended. The balance of power tipped significantly towards the republics. In August 1991, Latvia and Estonia immediately declared restoration of full independence (following Lithuania's 1990 example), while the other twelve republics continued discussing new, increasingly looser, models of the Union. On December 8, 1991, the presidents of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus signed the Belavezha Accords which declared the Soviet Union dissolved and established the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) in its place. While doubts remained over the authority of the Belavezha Accords to dissolve the Union, on December 21, 1991, the representatives of all Soviet republics except Georgia, including those republics that had signed the Belavezha Accords, signed the Alma-Ata Protocol, which confirmed the dismemberment and consequential extinction of the USSR and restated the establishment of the CIS. The summit of Alma-Ata also agreed on several other practical measures consequential to the extinction of the Union. On December 25, 1991, Gorbachev yielded to the inevitable and resigned as the president of the USSR, declaring the office extinct. He turned the powers that until then were vested in the presidency over to Boris Yeltsin, president of Russia.[/quote] ...which resulted in both economic and political collapse.
[QUOTE=Dr Pepper;19436581]That's just what we need, more Communist countries to deal with. I hope they stay non-communist.[/QUOTE] lol
I fucking [b]must[/b] get the Graphic Novel edition of the Communist Manifesto.
[QUOTE=Karskin;19436064]It's the reason all the idiots on this board think a communist regime is super fun party time and not an authoritarian dystopia.[/QUOTE] Marx was part of a communist regime? [QUOTE=Dr. Jim Dean;19435932]Communism is flawed.[/QUOTE] not really. [editline]07:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Termy58;19436106]Isn't uh every form of government in existence?[/QUOTE] uh, no and communism has nothing to do with the government [editline]07:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Wakka;19436549]The government would stay competitive with the world markets. So playstations would still be produced only by the government. And to sell they'd have to be up to par, if not better, than the xbox.[/QUOTE] you say you're a communist yet you have no clue how communism works oh, right, you're wakka the local stalinist [editline]07:38PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Alan Ninja!;19436697]Yes, but Communist products tend to lean towards "crappy, but in mass numbers," so they would all suck and be pumped out by the billions.[/QUOTE] So does Microsoft... doesn't mean that's the element of communism. [editline]07:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tameric;19437168]Communism is a shitty way to run a large group of people. It looks good on paper but when you actually try to do it, it sucks camel dick.[/QUOTE] it's never been attempted on a large scale. [editline]07:40PM[/editline] [QUOTE=FLoggin Moffins;19437219]What, communism looks good on paper? I've never ever heard that before![/QUOTE] explains a lot [editline]07:40PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Boba_Fett;19437781]Doesn't that make communism flawed then?[/QUOTE] By that logic, every system ever is flawed [editline]07:41PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tameric;19438012]Communism is fail and always will be fail. It is just a shitty form of government.[/QUOTE] There is no government in communism
That comic book looks awesome.
[QUOTE=Tameric;19438198]There is no competition in the market. This means no big video game companies competing for the best video games. No auto companies making the best cars. No GPU manufacturers making better GPUs then their rivals, etc. There would be a far lesser range of innovations in all fields. Medical, space related, cars, etc. In a communist country, you have no freedom to choose what job you are given. The government chooses this for you no matter if you like it or not. I could go on but I think I'm just beating a dead horse here.[/QUOTE] And the world is flat, right? you have zero knowledge about communism [editline]07:42PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;19438228]Yes, but in that system, not only would you have job security, but security of health with the healthcare the government provides. At least you would not be poor. Those things you are describing happen in an ideal [B]communist governmental system[/B], so I am speaking of that in terms of healthcare.[/QUOTE] jesus, you people are ignorant. [editline]07:43PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tameric;19438285]What? Have you ever seen Cuba? China? The USSR? You only have job security because the government forces you to do work that you have no interest in for several years and then they take you from that job and then force you to work in another field for several years. Repeat this until dead.[/QUOTE] China, cuba and USSR were never communist. and the poverty rate in Cuba is pretty low. Even if there was a government in communism, this is still bullshit [editline]07:45PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tameric;19438379]But since there is no free market and therefore little or no innovation, the healthcare would be subpar with the rest of the world. It doesn't matter if the government secures universal healthcare if the healthcare is shit to begin with.[/QUOTE] This is flat out retarded. Socialist countries like Denmark and Sweden pretty much prove you wrong. [editline]07:46PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tameric;19438407]YES IT DOES. Every single time that communism has ever been implemented in a large society, it has failed. This isn't because of corruption and bad leaders or what ever else you keep using as a scapegoat. It failed because communism is SHIT. It just doesn't work with a large group of people AKA a country.[/QUOTE] but it- gah, nevermind, you're naive [editline]07:47PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tameric;19438467]With no free market and the little innovations that are caused by this, that's going to be a looooong fucking time before it becomes acceptable with the rest of the world.[/QUOTE] Find me a complete free market country that has a great healthcare system. [editline]07:49PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tameric;19439535]When the fuck did I say this? You said that a communist country should just have a free market until things become acceptable. But communism is all about NOT having a free market. I really don't fucking understand how you interpeted that as me saying Universal Healthcare is capitalistic. [editline]11:52PM[/editline] Soviet buildings were made of concrete and steel? What were the rest of the buildings in the world made of? Wood?[/QUOTE] You should calm down and stop posting want a juice box? [editline]07:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tameric;19439819]You don't get the point. Communism is [B]about not having[/B] a free market. You can't just talk about an ideal situation where communism could work and then say a few posts later about using a free market.[/QUOTE] Well to be fair, any successful system doesn't have a free market. [editline]07:51PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tameric;19439935]We aren't talking about a communist country trading with members of a free market and making money from doing so. We are talking about a communist country having a free market where businesses are owned by individuals and they make their own products and own innovations to compete with other rivals companies to make more money. That is NOT communism. Communism is when [B]everything[/B] is owned by the government and there are no innovations [I]because[/I] there is no rivalry [I]because[/I] there are no competing companies [I]because[/I] the money earned by companies goes to the government. New products are the result of the consumer buying the latest and the greatest. Companies create the latest and the greatest and try to "one up" other companies with innovations and new ideas. This is the result of having a free market.[/QUOTE] remember children, only capitalists trade and you should pay for police [editline]07:52PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Wakka;19440047]5 influential people, 4 cups :q:[/QUOTE] Stalin was not influential you tool [editline]07:53PM[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;19441676]Bit like what's happening here in the UK, except here it's the BNP party. And as a side note; Communism doesn't work. The success-to-failure ratio for capitalism and communism shows this.[/QUOTE] uh I'd like to know where you're getting that
Don't you just love these Communism debates? I think I'm just gonna stay out of this one and go on to be a decadent capitalist pig.
[QUOTE=ILikeHappyMeals;19443860]Why are North Americans so scared of other countries running regimes different to their own? So what if Japan has a Communist party it may even benefit them somewhat. Why does the USA feel the need to comment and get involved?[/QUOTE] They think they own the world, so they run around and tell everyone off who do things diffrently.
[QUOTE=madmanmad;19448041]They think they own the world, so they run around and tell everyone off who do things diffrently.[/QUOTE] As an American myself, I can attest to this. We're :smug: assholes.
[QUOTE=Dr. Jim Dean;19435932]Communism is flawed.[/QUOTE] Capitalism isn't!
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19447527] uh I'd like to know where you're getting that[/QUOTE] Which part? The first part, I was merely pointing out an interesting observation that the BNP is drawing most of its support in a similar way; from people who are becoming disillusioned with the government. The second part, I was just stating the obvious.
[QUOTE=David29;19449301]Which part? The first part, I was merely pointing out an interesting observation that the BNP is drawing most of its support in a similar way; from people who are becoming disillusioned with the government. The second part, I was just stating the obvious.[/QUOTE] Well shit so are the conservatives.. we will vote them in and they will undo all of the work the labour party has done. Then when they fail we will vote labour in and it will work it's way up! In times of national failure (eg recession) there will almost always be a change in leadership, often not the way to go! I hate politics, they just make personal digs at other politicians and then shout or laugh about it, fuck the commons! we need a dictatorship.
Communism is flawed, but we need great minds to iron out those flaws, until that happens I'm socialist.
[QUOTE=David29;19449301]Which part? The first part, I was merely pointing out an interesting observation that the BNP is drawing most of its support in a similar way; from people who are becoming disillusioned with the government. The second part, I was just stating the obvious.[/QUOTE] Stating that it's merely the obvious doesn't fly
Why do these debates always end up with only people thinking in absolutes voicing their opinions? Communism is not a form of government, and it does not dictate how a country is run. We've never seen true Communism and, in my opinion, we rarely see free market function properly for the same reasons that you blame the crippled functionality of "Communism" in The Soviet union, et cetera; greed and corruption. I'm not saying it's that simple, because you can't think in absolutes when discussing economical and social systems and their effect on politics and government. Both socialist and capitalist aspects can work together, hand in hand with government, usually very well, as we've seen with Scandinavian countries.
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