• Communism lives on in Japan.
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[QUOTE=Trotsky;19449730]Stating that it's merely the obvious doesn't fly[/QUOTE] Wait, I'm confused... So if I were to say say that grass is green, that would be wrong? I was simply stating an obvious fact: how many successful capitalist countries are there? I would need more than two hands to count with my fingers. How many communist... what, China? I think that's it. To attempt to put up a legitimate argument saying Communism is more successful than Capitalism is like saying Osama bin Laden is a nice guy.
[QUOTE=Veribigbos;19445158]But didn't America already do that once to the poor guys?[/QUOTE] Yeah and thats why America can do it again.
[QUOTE=Dr. Jim Dean;19435932]Communism is flawed.[/QUOTE] Democracy is more flawed.
[QUOTE=David29;19452517]Wait, I'm confused... So if I were to say say that grass is green, that would be wrong? I was simply stating an obvious fact: how many successful capitalist countries are there? I would need more than two hands to count with my fingers. How many communist... what, China? I think that's it. To attempt to put up a legitimate argument saying Communism is more successful than Capitalism is like saying Osama bin Laden is a nice guy.[/QUOTE] that's pretty biased and ignorant of you. Communism has never been implemented. china is not communist, nor have they ever. And Capitalism as of today is a mixed does capitalism generate capital? well, shit, of course. Doesn't make it good.
[QUOTE=ILikeHappyMeals;19443860]Why are North Americans so scared of other countries running regimes different to their own? So what if Japan has a Communist party it may even benefit them somewhat. Why does the USA feel the need to comment and get involved?[/QUOTE] So we can start useless wars in Iraq. [editline]11:07PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Trotsky;19452732]that's pretty biased and ignorant of you. Communism has never been implemented. china is not communist, nor have they ever. And Capitalism as of today is a mixed does capitalism generate capital? well, shit, of course. Doesn't make it good.[/QUOTE] This
[QUOTE=Dr Pepper;19436581]That's just what we need, more Communist countries to deal with. I hope they stay non-communist.[/QUOTE] I'm going to brand you as American.
[QUOTE=:smug:;19453030]I'm going to brand you as American.[/QUOTE] Id take that as a compliment seeing as we are the greatest and best country on Earth and everyone wants to be like us. :patriot:
thread needs more more heated debate against communism
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19452732]that's pretty biased and ignorant of you. Communism has never been implemented. china is not communist, nor have they ever. And Capitalism as of today is a mixed does capitalism generate capital? well, shit, of course. Doesn't make it good.[/QUOTE] "The People's Republic of China (PRC), commonly known as China, is the largest country in East Asia and the most populous in the world with over 1.3 billion people, approximately one-fifth of the world's population. It is a socialist republic (specifically a "people's democratic dictatorship" according to its constitution) ruled by the [b]Communist Party of China[/b] under a single-party system" China isn't Communist huh? I like your claim that Communism has never been implemented. This means one of two things: 1) the leaders of the USSR, N. Korea, China, etc just liked the colour red or 2) it hasn't been implemented yet purely and simply because it can't be implemented, highlighting just how flawed it is. And really, you have just basically said that the success rate of Communism is zero, which relates back nicely to my point about the success-to-failure ratio, whereby Capitalism has been successfully implemented as against Communism , by your own admittance, hasn't.
How is capitalism successful? We're in a crippling depression [b]right fucking now[/b]
This just proves once again that you can't swing a cat by the tail in Japan without running into a shitty manga comic.
[QUOTE=David29;19453423]"The People's Republic of China (PRC), commonly known as China, is the largest country in East Asia and the most populous in the world with over 1.3 billion people, approximately one-fifth of the world's population. It is a socialist republic (specifically a "people's democratic dictatorship" according to its constitution) ruled by the [b]Communist Party of China[/b] under a single-party system" China isn't Communist huh? I like your claim that Communism has never been implemented. This means one of two things: 1) the leaders of the USSR, N. Korea, China, etc just liked the colour red or 2) it hasn't been implemented yet purely and simply because it can't be implemented, highlighting just how flawed it is. And really, you have just basically said that the success rate of Communism is zero, which relates back nicely to my point about the success-to-failure ratio, whereby Capitalism has been successfully implemented as against Communism , by your own admittance, hasn't.[/QUOTE] David I hope you know the CCP opens its doors of membership to anyone, and most of its higher ranking members are business owners or stock-holders themselves. Being a member of the communist party there doesn't even denote you're a revolutionary, it means you're a career politician. China is not communist, and some wikipedia entry citing its constitution does not prove to the contrary. Anyway your 'success ratio' is overly simplistic and ignores several important facts. Capitalism only achieved prosperity, albeit unstable prosperity, through the miserable exploitation of the undeveloped world. Furthermore I would ask, successful at what? At centering the world's productive wealth in a few western countries? In that perspective, the 'success ratio' is incredibly lopsided [i]against[/i] capitalism, with an incredibly huge chunk of the world's population living in mass poverty and malnutrition. The means to feed them, clothe them, and make them productive members of society are there, but it's simply not as profitable to do that then, say, pay them pennies a day to make clothes and other items they will rarely see outside of the sweat-shop they work in. Furthermore all but one communist country had to develop itself out of backwardness (east germany is the exception, and has a few interesting achievements of its own). The USSR at the time of its creation was practically feudal, with industrial workers making up just a mere 15% of the population. Other eastern european countries faced similar conditions. After all, most of eastern europe had agrarian-based economies, before socialism developed them. But even with these crippling conditions socialism has its own success stories. The USSR achieved rates of growth, on the social and economic level, never before seen. The country was transformed from a nation of peasants to an industrial powerhouse in under a generation. This enabled it to fight off one of the most successful economies at the time, nazi germany. The revolution in cuba brought forward social progress that was stagnated by it being a practical whore-house and sandbox to the US (if you guys lived under the batista dictatorship you would probably piss yourselves because of the living and working conditions). So with these things in mind, I hardly see any true weighing of the systems, let alone a victory of one side or the other.
[QUOTE=David29;19453423]"The People's Republic of China (PRC), commonly known as China, is the largest country in East Asia and the most populous in the world with over 1.3 billion people, approximately one-fifth of the world's population. It is a socialist republic (specifically a "people's democratic dictatorship" according to its constitution) ruled by the [b]Communist Party of China[/b] under a single-party system"[/quote] The CPC is a political party, a political party implies a government. There is no government in Communism. [quote]China isn't Communist huh?[/quote] nope. [quote]I like your claim that Communism has never been implemented. This means one of two things: 1) the leaders of the USSR, N. Korea, China, etc just liked the colour red or[/quote] Again, just because you call yourself something, doesn't make it true. Hitler called himself a socialist, he wasn't. The democratic Republic of the congo called itself a democratic republic. it's not much of a democratic republic. [quote]2) it hasn't been implemented yet purely and simply because it can't be implemented, highlighting just how flawed it is.[/quote] Actually, it's never been implemented simply because before it could be, social reforms were forced into the the capitalist powers during the industrial revolution. The free market has never been implemented, does that mean it's flawed? I would argue, on paper it is, but I can't make a complete conclusion until it's implemented. [quote]And really, you have just basically said that the success rate of Communism is zero,[/quote] uh, it's more of an N/A, really. [quote]which relates back nicely to my point about the success-to-failure ratio, whereby Capitalism has been successfully implemented as against Communism , by your own admittance, hasn't.[/QUOTE] That's like comparing washing machines to hovercars. Both are machines, one does one thing the other does another, but one has never been implemented. I didn't... really admit to anything. uh, nice try though, although a tragic failure. I admire the effort is a 3/10 good?
Communism is fine, it's the leaders that fuck things up.
Conscript, lets skip the foreplay and just make sweet, sweet love right here.
I have the ecstasy
i have the whip cream and Cuban cigars
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19454422]i have the whip cream and Cuban cigars[/QUOTE] No, he's mine!
Wait, what?
[QUOTE=David29;19441781] The fake tags were there to ensure you had a secure understanding that it was sarcasm and that I wasn't being serious - it seems to me that you aren't exactly clever enough to have worked it out on your own. And the best bit is you still haven't even bothered to explain why I am wrong. I love this 'I'm right and you are wrong and I will just insult you until you agree with me' attitude.[/QUOTE] i'm not arguing with you because you're dumb as a brick and i'm not wasting my words see you're making the mistake that i care what your opinion remains, the point of my post was to let you know that you're dumb [editline]12:42AM[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;19452517]Wait, I'm confused... So if I were to say say that grass is green, that would be wrong? I was simply stating an obvious fact: how many successful capitalist countries are there? I would need more than two hands to count with my fingers. How many communist... what, China? I think that's it. To attempt to put up a legitimate argument saying Communism is more successful than Capitalism is like saying Osama bin Laden is a nice guy.[/QUOTE] hahahaha you think china is a communist government case and point [editline]12:42AM[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;19453423]"The People's Republic of China (PRC), commonly known as China, is the largest country in East Asia and the most populous in the world with over 1.3 billion people, approximately one-fifth of the world's population. It is a socialist republic (specifically a "people's democratic dictatorship" according to its constitution) ruled by the [B]Communist Party of China[/B] under a single-party system" China isn't Communist huh? [/QUOTE] i giggled at this no lie
[QUOTE=Chippay;19454745] hahahaha you think china is a communist government case and point [/QUOTE] [img_thumb]http://nomm.com/Stills/images/CheckmateD.jpg[/img_thumb] Check and mate.
wow look at all the actual arguments on this page [editline]12:45AM[/editline] thanks for breaking my automerge wakka!
[QUOTE=Chippay;19454813]wow look at all the actual arguments on this page[/QUOTE] This is the bullshitting page. It's inevitable. After the intermission ends, the argument will continue on the next page.
chippay you listen to some weird shit
i listen to what i like man sometimes i'm in the mood for something that's like techno, sometimes pop, sometimes metal, sometimes punk i'm a complex man
[QUOTE=Conscript;19454867]chippay you listen to some weird shit[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFEDdaG64o[/media] Still not as good as the Soviet national anthem.
here's something more fitting for you chippay [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJLXyBzMci0[/url]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yDrtNEr_5M[/media] This is the better Soviet version, you can hear the industrial noises in the background such as the hammering of a metalsmith.
here you go wakka! [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3tr-i0MMII[/URL] it's a concept album based on anthems, WHOAAA thank you conscript i will listen to this for the next millennium wait there's no lyrics sorry only a few decades
[QUOTE=Wakka;19454926][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFEDdaG64o[/media] Still not as good as the Soviet national anthem.[/QUOTE] you try WAY to hard, wakka.
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