• Communism lives on in Japan.
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[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19457545]Sounds like it. Communism is a stateless society. In a truly communist society, there wouldn't be a government, and it couldn't own everything as there would be no ownership.[/QUOTE] Then what was that deal in Cuba? Was that communism? That's basically what I'm using my ideas on.
[QUOTE=theguydude;19457592]Then what was that deal in Cuba? Was that communism? That's basically what I'm using my ideas on.[/QUOTE] Cuba has a government and a dictator so no, it's pretty obviously not communist.
[QUOTE=theguydude;19457492]Woah something's wrong here. Has my teacher been teaching me wrong?[/QUOTE] it's largely irrelevant for teachers to elaborate on the details of a so-called "communist' state, such as the ussr and the utopian ideal actually detailed as communism. a state like the ussr was governed by a communist party, supposedly with the goal of one day achieving communism, and as such is labelled as a 'communist state.' the state part is important, as it denotes the 'vanguard' state, meant to defend the fledgling state. in theory the vanguard state would pave the way to communism.
[QUOTE=theguydude;19457416]What are you on? The government controls everything in communism. Where did [I]you [/I]learn this?[/QUOTE] Das Kapitol [editline]04:05AM[/editline] you know, written by marx and engels
[QUOTE=theguydude;19457592]Then what was that deal in Cuba? Was that communism? That's basically what I'm using my ideas on.[/QUOTE] there has never been a communist state in human history. some might argue that people in pre-civilization societies qualify, but i would argue otherwise. cuba has a government, currency, and different social classes, so it is not a communist society.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;19457615]Cuba has a government and a dictator so no, it's pretty obviously not communist.[/QUOTE] Then what [I]is [/I]it?
[QUOTE=theguydude;19457592]Then what was that deal in Cuba? Was that communism? That's basically what I'm using my ideas on.[/QUOTE] this is why the American education system with Communism fucking fails
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;19457440]Now was that part in the Freeza or Garlic Jr. saga? [editline]08:54PM[/editline] One of the henchmen of Garlic Jr. was called Tutti Frutti I think it was that one.[/QUOTE][U] Tutti frutti was obviously a reference to the reactionary forces of religion within the vanguard state :) no idea why this post is underlined i can't turn it off [/U]
[QUOTE=theguydude;19457695]Then what [I]is [/I]it?[/QUOTE] A Socialist state with elements of Stalinist oppression.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19457700]this is why the American education system with Communism fucking fails[/QUOTE] Thanks asshole, So I was wrong. I'll shut up now.
[QUOTE=theguydude;19457695]Then what [I]is [/I]it?[/QUOTE] a single-party (communist party) state. ie, the generalized communist state
[QUOTE=Chippay;19457732][U] Tutti frutti was obviously a reference to the reactionary forces of religion within the vanguard state :) no idea why this post is underlined i can't turn it off [/U][/QUOTE] God I fucking hate this new forum thing. It messes with my greasemonkey script.
[QUOTE=Chippay;19457667]there has never been a communist state in human history. some might argue that people in pre-civilization societies qualify, but i would argue otherwise.[/QUOTE] The Paris Commune might qualify. As much as I know about it, they didn't have a central premier, the so called leaders were periodically swapped and everything operated as a democratic process.
[QUOTE=Wakka;19458060]The Paris Commune might qualify. As much as I know about it, they didn't have a central premier, the so called leaders were periodically swapped and everything operated as a democratic process.[/QUOTE] that's about as close as we've ever gotten, but it was too short lived and isolated to really develop.
The problem with communes is, since they work against a capitalist system so they volunteer poverty. but what's funny is, they're so successful, imagine if it was on a national level without a capitalist system to work against.
[QUOTE=Chippay;19458119]that's about as close as we've ever gotten, but it was too short lived and isolated to really develop.[/QUOTE] Weren't there three million people in that incident? Too bad the french government had to intervene and execute many people. Also, look what I found: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krwYkVXhH7w[/media] :v:
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19454276]The CPC is a political party, a political party implies a government. There is no government in Communism.[/QUOTE] So then what you're saying is that in any country with a communist party, the people in that party aren't actually communist? Perhaps not Marx's communism, but please, do tell.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;19459949]So then what you're saying is that in any country with a communist party, the people in that party aren't actually communist? Perhaps not Marx's communism, but please, do tell.[/QUOTE] They're reformists. If they were to come into power, they must try and achieve a communist society. most of the time, they really aren't communists, more of Socialists or far leftists. You know, Marx's communism is sort of the only communism. you know, cuz he kind of invented us
Good for them.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;19459993]They're reformists. If they were to come into power, they must try and achieve a communist society. most of the time, they really aren't communists, more of Socialists or far leftists. You know, Marx's communism is sort of the only communism. you know, cuz he kind of invented us[/QUOTE] Ah, I see.
They will fail like all Socialist counteries. Most are running on empty. [editline]08:34AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Wakka;19454926][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQFEDdaG64o[/media] Still not as good as the Soviet national anthem.[/QUOTE] That's the Chinese national anthem you dunce. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yDrtNEr_5M[/media]
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;19461768] That's the Chinese national anthem you dunce. [/QUOTE] I think he means that the Chinese national anthem isn't as good as the Soviet's.
[QUOTE=Vaultseeker4;19452724]Democracy is more flawed.[/QUOTE] "Democracy is the worst goverment in the world, exept for all the others we've already had." Forgot the man who said this...
Quite a few people to debate/argue with here. I'm tempted to go with conscript because at least he is putting across a respectable and decent argument. However, I think I will go with Trotsky since I agree less with him. Chippay is either a troll or has the intelligence of a fly, since he just tries to insult me instead of actually proving himself right. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19454276]The CPC is a political party, a political party implies a government. There is no government in Communism.[/quote] Well then I can only say that Communism can never hope to ever work. A country will always need some form of government. For a collection of to work together without one or more persons controlling them is an impossibility. QED, Communism is an impossibility. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19454276]Again, just because you call yourself something, doesn't make it true. Hitler called himself a socialist, he wasn't. The democratic Republic of the congo called itself a democratic republic. it's not much of a democratic republic. [/quote] Ok, but while I can see what you are getting at, both the USSR and the PRC were founded on Communist principles at least. Alright, I hold my hands up, the Communist Party in China isn't particularly Communist any more, but under Mao it was and you can't say either that Lenin didn't intend on implementing Communism in Russia. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19454276]uh, it's more of an N/A, really.[/quote] Not really. As I just previously pointed out, Lenin and Mao were intent on implementing Communism. The fact that you stated that neither country ended up as Communism shows that they failed then, regardless of what they actually achieved. It's like when if you sat an exam, but instead of answering the questions you decided to write a short novel. The novel might be brilliant but you still didn't answer the question - resulting in failure. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19454276]That's like comparing washing machines to hovercars. Both are machines, one does one thing the other does another, but one has never been implemented. I didn't... really admit to anything.[/quote] Similar to my last point, the hover car was attempted but they couldn't get it to fly. So they stuck it on wheels. Something was produced, but it wasn't was originally intended. Whereas the washing machine worked first time. And you didn't admit to anything directly, no, but I was simply using what you did say with logic to produce fact. [QUOTE=Trotsky;19454276]uh, nice try though, although a tragic failure. I admire the effort is a 3/10 good?[/QUOTE] Trying to insult someone in a debate has always struck me as pointless. You are trying to prove what exactly?
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[QUOTE=Dr. Jim Dean;19435932]Communism is flawed.[/QUOTE] capitalism aint... not at all... i mean yeah... everyone's livin a good life here
Communism can not happen, untill we have a clone army of the same person withouht no personality, but god forbid that from ever happening
Well, there goes the empire...
[QUOTE=B1N4RY!;19465881]Well, there goes the empire...[/QUOTE] Let's hope anime goes along with it.
[QUOTE=MachiniOs;19461768]They will fail like all Socialist counteries. Most are running on empty. [editline]08:34AM[/editline] That's the Chinese national anthem you dunce. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yDrtNEr_5M[/media][/QUOTE] Like Denmark, Swe- oh wait :C they're successful socialist countries. [editline]09:10PM[/editline] [QUOTE=KestasLT;19465860]Communism can not happen, untill we have a clone army of the same person withouht no personality, but god forbid that from ever happening[/QUOTE] uh, where do you get that silly idea [editline]09:21PM[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;19462717]Quite a few people to debate/argue with here. I'm tempted to go with conscript because at least he is putting across a respectable and decent argument. However, I think I will go with Trotsky since I agree less with him.[/quote] Conscript is basically more communist then me as well as more knowledgeable. [quote]Chippay is either a troll or has the intelligence of a fly, since he just tries to insult me instead of actually proving himself right.[/quote] It's not hard to prove you wrong, that's why. [quote]Well then I can only say that Communism can never hope to ever work. A country will always need some form of government.[/quote] you are basing this on?... [quote]For a collection of to work together without one or more persons controlling them is an impossibility. QED, Communism is an impossibility.[/quote] Again, Communism runs by a workers democracy. [quote]Ok, but while I can see what you are getting at, both the USSR and the PRC were founded on Communist principles at least. [/quote] Not really, just because you use a name, doesn't mean it's right. [quote]Alright, I hold my hands up, the Communist Party in China isn't particularly Communist any more,[/quote] never really was... [quote]but under Mao it was and you can't say either that Lenin didn't intend on implementing Communism in Russia.[/quote] Mao? No. I do not believe his goal was communism. Lenin? Of course, but he kind of... got dead. and some paranoid, right wing loser took his place. [quote]Not really. As I just previously pointed out, Lenin and Mao were intent on implementing Communism.[/quote] My sister intened on having a baby, she didn't, does that still make her a mother? [quote] The fact that you stated that neither country ended up as Communism shows that they failed then,[/quote] Name me 5 steps Mao took towards communism. [quote]regardless of what they actually achieved. It's like when if you sat an exam, but instead of answering the questions you decided to write a short novel. The novel might be brilliant but you still didn't answer the question - resulting in failure.[/quote] uh, so deliberate corruption means whole idea's fail? [quote]Similar to my last point, the hover car was attempted but they couldn't get it to fly. So they stuck it on wheels. Something was produced, but it wasn't was originally intended. Whereas the washing machine worked first time.[/quote] I really didn't go that deep into my analogy, I don't even know what you're talking about. [quote]And you didn't admit to anything directly, no, but I was simply using what you did say with logic to produce fact.[/quote] I said it was never done. You said that means some other random economic system is better then. That doesn't make sense. Also, Capitalism is a fucking failure when it comes to Human rights. [quote]Trying to insult someone in a debate has always struck me as pointless. You are trying to prove what exactly?[/QUOTE] That's how i roll, yo
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