• Israel: Terrorist murders family of 5
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Terrorism=Using violence to achieve a political goal
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;28565703]What are you talking about? Of course suspects of murder can be arrested. Though obviously 20 suspects are too much, it's like they said "let's just arrest everyone in the nearby village who look tough and are 18-40 year old males".[/QUOTE] In first-world countries like Canada, my friend, nobody can be arrested on any charge unless there's enough evidence against them to establish reasonable grounds that that person really did commit the crime. "Suspicion" is the same thing as "I don't like the look of him, maybe he did it."
[QUOTE=archangel125;28565809]In first-world countries like Canada, my friend, nobody can be arrested on any charge unless there's enough evidence against them to establish reasonable grounds that that person really did commit the crime. "Suspicion" is the same thing as "I don't like the look of him, maybe he did it."[/QUOTE] You do realize that there's a difference between being arrested and being sent to jail for a good number of years, right? They probably arrested people who they found big knives in their homes or whatever, not just people that they didn't like how they looked.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;28565851]You do realize that there's a difference between being arrested and being sent to jail for a good number of years, right? They probably arrested people who they found big knives in their homes or whatever, not just people that they didn't like how they looked.[/QUOTE] People out here can not be arrested or detained on mere suspicion, my friend. I'm a cop in training. I know my shit. I have big knives in my home. My friends have big knives in their homes. Are you telling me you don't have knives in your kitchen? This is bullshit.
[QUOTE=archangel125;28565884]People out here can not be arrested or detained on mere suspicion, my friend. I'm a cop in training. I know my shit.[/QUOTE] In Israel a cop can arrest you as long as he has a reason (but I'm sure that if he just doesn't like you then he can just make something up) but only for a period of 24 hours, longer than that and they need a court order.
[QUOTE=RP.;28553972]"Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for a religious, political or ideological goal, deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians), and are committed by non-government agencies." And that exactly that.[/QUOTE] So we should call gangs terrorist groups now? I mean thats what gangbangs are all about.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;28565905]In Israel a cop can arrest you as long as he has a reason (but I'm sure that if he just doesn't like you then he can just make something up) but only for a period of 24 hours, longer than that and they need a court order.[/QUOTE] Good. Let's see if these 'suspects' are released after 24 hours. They're calling it terrorism just to justify being able to arrest anyone they like and hold them indefinitely.
[QUOTE=Falchion;28564964]That is pretty idiotic. The guy pretty obviously worked alone. Edit: Because the crime is instantly treated as terrorism doesn't make it that way.[/QUOTE] No, there were two, and it was obviously Palestinians because the fence around the village from was breached around the time of the murder, and an alarm indicated people entered, and two hours later, people got out of it. (Itamar is surrounded by Arab villages) [QUOTE=archangel125;28565307]So, according to you, Palestinian=terrorist. So you can arrest Palestinians on SUSPICION of having committed a murder. Jesus Christ. The IDF is the real terrorist.[/QUOTE] No, moron, just no. Learn to motherfucking read. [url]http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=367847[/url] "ETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- An armed faction calling itself the "Imad Mughniyya Group" has claimed responsibility for stabbing to death an Israeli family of five in the illegal settlement of Itamar in the northern West Bank. " [Maan is a Palestinian news agency]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;28565905]In Israel a cop can arrest you as long as he has a reason (but I'm sure that if he just doesn't like you then he can just make something up) but only for a period of 24 hours, longer than that and they need a court order.[/QUOTE] Uhhh... [url]http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,656934,00.html[/url] [url]http://www.btselem.org/english/Administrative_Detention/[/url] [url]http://www.btselem.org/english/administrative_detention/statistics.asp[/url] [editline]12th March 2011[/editline] Human rights activist are usually targeted: [url]http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/12/04/israel-end-arbitrary-detention-rights-activist[/url]
[QUOTE=Bllasae;28561593]Wow. That's all I can say about whatever you think you just posted there. If you're not literate enough to know that Starpluck hates Israel, maybe it's just time you leave for greener fields, my friend.[/QUOTE] And if you're not intelligent enough to figure out he hates Israel as an entity and not every single last jew, you should probably bury your head in sand. [editline]12th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Bllasae;28561669]Right, good for you for making sentences all by yourself.[/QUOTE] What's this, a Republican resorting to sarcasm when proven wrong? SHOCKING [editline]12th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;28565703]What are you talking about? Of course suspects of murder can be arrested. Though obviously 20 suspects are too much, it's like they said "let's just arrest everyone in the nearby village who look tough and are 18-40 year old males".[/QUOTE] Any investigation will have many suspects and people suspected to be involved. Most of the time it's just one. [editline]12th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ohadje;28566233]No, there were two, and it was obviously Palestinians because the fence around the village from was breached around the time of the murder, and an alarm indicated people entered, and two hours later, people got out of it. (Itamar is surrounded by Arab villages) No, moron, just no. Learn to motherfucking read. [url]http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=367847[/url] "ETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- An armed faction calling itself the "Imad Mughniyya Group" has claimed responsibility for stabbing to death an Israeli family of five in the illegal settlement of Itamar in the northern West Bank. " [Maan is a Palestinian news agency][/QUOTE] uhh "Israeli authorities have dismissed statements from the group in the past, as it has claimed responsibility for other operations that may have been the work of others. It is believed to be linked to Fatah." [editline]12th March 2011[/editline] This is the normal reactions of terrorist groups. Do you know how many people took blame for the shoe bomber or even 9/11?
[QUOTE=GEARSofWAR360;28554996]i didnt know that jews were a race[/QUOTE] they really arent the word 'jew' itself is more of a negative / offensive term derived from 'jewish' jewish = judaism = religion so its not really racist it's just offensive to those of that religious stature
Pretty sure they're an ethnoreligion. It's not like Christianity where you can be any colour, given that a large part of the Jewish religion is centered specifically around a certain geographical area - Israel. That's why Hitler was able to purport images of Jews with big noses and kinky hair through propaganda - because there's an ethnic basis.
I'd think the classification of him as a terrorist is more dependant on if he is organised, if he is a militant, if he did it as a political statement. A lot of that is unknown right now so it could go either way and calling him either is probably just as accurate. If he has none of those qualities, he is still a subhuman piece of filth and would no doubt get life imprisonment or even death. Terrorist or no makes no difference to his sentence.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;28575009]I'd think the classification of him as a terrorist is more dependant on if he is organised, if he is a militant, if he did it as a political statement. A lot of that is unknown right now so it could go either way and calling him either is probably just as accurate. If he has none of those qualities, he is still a subhuman piece of filth and would no doubt get life imprisonment or even death. Terrorist or no makes no difference to his sentence.[/QUOTE] Israel doesn't have death penalty.
[QUOTE=ohadje;28577522]Israel doesn't have death penalty.[/QUOTE] Does the West Bank enforce it?
[QUOTE=Devodiere;28577543]Does the West Bank enforce it?[/QUOTE] Wait, do you mean the PA? The PA has death penalty, but it won't excecute him. If you mean the Israeli law at the West Bank, then yes - that also doesn't have death penalty.
[QUOTE=Marnetmar;28565774]Terrorism=Using violence to achieve a political goal[/QUOTE] Where does it say that he had a political goal?
[QUOTE=Falchion;28577597]Where does it say that he had a political goal?[/QUOTE] I think we can safely assume the motive based on previous events.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28565930]So we should call gangs terrorist groups now? I mean thats what gangbangs are all about.[/QUOTE] gangbangs?
Drive bys, gang shootings, etc.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;28554875]PEn1s lol, what the fuck is wrong with you?[/QUOTE] What do you mean by that?
How do you decide your ratings... [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1068525-Israel-Terrorist-murders-family-of-5?p=28554483&viewfull=1#post28554483[/url]
[QUOTE=Starpluck;28558248]ok Obvious enough?[/QUOTE] Oh and I forgot one of my favorites: [QUOTE=Uberman77883;23898839]According to the information gathered over several weeks, I can safely say that Starpluck is an Iranian. He defends his dear leader blindly, hates jews, is a muslim, and specifically wants to destroy Israel. It is ironic, [B]because he says that the genocide of Palestinians is bad, yet he wants to finish the genocide Hitler started on the Jews[/B].[/QUOTE] [editline]13th March 2011[/editline] Funny, ohadje rated all those crazy radical libel comments against me agree.
NSFW [media]http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/199539_1616450138880_1465158378_1307386_2819468_n.jpg[/media] I dare you ignorants say something anti-Israeli, I've got a friend in the IDF who served while this shit happen, he saw everything, can't believe how stupid FP is.
[QUOTE=MoarFunz;28583100]NSFW [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/"]View Image[/URL] [URL]http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/199539_1616450138880_1465158378_1307386_2819468_n.jpg[/URL] I dare you ignorants say something anti-Israeli, I've got a friend in the IDF who served while this shit happen, he saw everything, can't believe how stupid FP is.[/QUOTE] I'll say anything anti-Israeli as I please. Really, arguing with shock pictures? The sad fact is that there are probably 50x more pictures that are 50x worse in terms of damage inflicted by the IDF. I'm not going to bother posting any since this is not some sort of contest and is just a weak way of arguing. The irony here is claiming "we're all so stupid".
I'm putting the simple fact that when you live where the shit actually happens and you see it in your own eyes, your perspective changes. I call bullshit on every arguement you're gonna say just by the simple fact that you don't live here and you've never felt threatened continiously. No xenophobia here fyi, just throwing my cup of tea.
[QUOTE=MoarFunz;28583288] I call bullshit on every arguement you're gonna say, just by the simple fact that you don't live here and you've never felt threatened continiously. [/QUOTE] Go for it. If you're going to decide and call every single of my valid arguments bullshit because simply because I don't live in Israel, then there is no point in continuing to debate with you.
No xenophobia, just mutual hate and prejudice between neighbours v:v:v
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[QUOTE=Falchion;28577597]Where does it say that he had a political goal?[/QUOTE] It never did, I was just clearing up the definition of terrorism for the fox zealots.
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